Re: Opinions please....

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In a message dated 7/22/03 5:59:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jnvicbrown@... writes:

> So do I just walk away from therapy once again and

> accept that it's just going to be this way and don't worry about

> trying to improve her motor skills?

As long as you don't scream at me for giving my opinion <g>, I wondered if

you had asked Lane why she refused to ride the bike? Did anyone ask her what

the problem was?

Also, I doubt the OT is a professional neurologist so her saying this is not

neurological is kind of silly, IMO. Once I was in this awful meeting at

middle school and the sped teacher was telling me that while my son did have

HFA,

he was refusing to do this, that and the other and that his refusal was not

part of having autism - it was just part of his being an obnoxious middle

schooler who is trying to get out of doing what he's supposed to do. I got the

whole

lecture. I said, " You mean, he can separate the autism out and behave like a

brat on cue? " She nodded knowingly. I firmly do not believe that you can

analyze any part of the behavior outside of the autistic spectrum. It's not

like a sliver of silver hair they have - it's part of their being.

So to put it in Lane's situation, she had a reason for not wanting to ride

the bike. I would find out what is going on before I decided what to do about

it. Remember also the story about balancing the tray - and that some days our

kids' trays are so full that they cannot do another thing. I've had my son

" refuse " to do any hundred number of things and it's always related to a problem

he is having with either the activity or the situation or his own stress

level peeking. In the middle school case, he was " refusing " to do what he was

told to do for a specific reason that made perfect sense to me. So ask her why.

She may not be able to put it into words right now - let her cool off and

remind her that you are on her side and want to do what is best for her, not the

OT.

But frankly, I would not " perform " for someone with such a lousy attitude

towards me. And don't count out another OT at the same hospital because it

might

just work out fine. You could just say you are switching because there is

obviously a problem between the two and you thought a different approach might

work better. If the OT gets ticked off, then she's not that professional, IMO.

I think therapists should be used to having some patients who work better

with them and some who are impossible but who do great with someone else.

Personalities are all different.

Roxanna

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In a message dated 7/22/03 7:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lbohn@...

writes:

> ps to my earlier post. I'd switch to another OT as soon as I could

>

> Liz

>

Ditto that!

Roxanna

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In a message dated 7/22/03 5:59:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jnvicbrown@... writes:

> So what I have to decide is do we continue to go to

> OT? Or do we just let our child decide that she does not want to

> learn to ride a bike, etc and be like other kids her age. I have

> tried to explain to Lane that this is not entertainment and that it

> is like paying to see 6 movies for the whole family in one hour. That

> it is school and she is there to learn and be able to do things like

> her friends. If she is not willing to try then the therapist is

> saying that there is no need for her to be there. I understand what

> is being said and agree to a point but it also angers me that she (

> therapist ) is being so rigid and then just as angry with Lane for

> being so stubborn.

Long story short? I guess she doesn't ride a bike.

Just wondering --is it POSSIBLE that the helmet issue is because it's not

HERS? My son will NOT wear anything that has been on someone else's head.

When they visited the power plant, his teacher brought a NEW hard hat that

her DH had at home, because we just KNEW he would refuse to even touch it, and

then he could not go on the tour.

Connie

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,

I have had similar problems with in therapy. We dismissed his last PT

but stayed with the same group. I simply explained to the director the woman's

methods were not compatible with 's needs. He has trouble with sensory. He

is also very type A and won't try if he thinks he will fail. Yesterday in OT

he actually buttoned a button! She uses a series of bribes along with things

like a timer to encourage him to do the things he is uncomfortable with. Yes,

some of it is behavioral but only a small part.

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,

" So what I have to decide is do we continue to go to

OT? Or do we just let our child decide that she does not want to

learn to ride a bike, etc and be like other kids her age. "

Does Lane WANT to ride a bike? If not, then why are you putting her through

this?

Also, in reading your post, I really don't think this OT therapist has any

idea how to handle Lane. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I suspect that the

reason why Lane doesn't want to get on the bike is because the therapist

(when you're not there) physically forces her to get on it. I know from

working with that forcing her to do something almost guarantees that

she won't do it (even if it is something she would like to do otherwise.)

Patti R.

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I don't know, , that sure sounds borderline abusive to me. It seems to

me that there are better ways to motivate kids that to put them on a

bike kicking and screaming, and that she ought to be creative enough to think of

one or two of them. What ever became of positive reinforcement? I

can't imagine this happening in a public school. They'd have a fit. I'll tell

you my sneaky little secret. My ds doesn't know how to ride a bike.

He's 15. He was always too scared. I never pushed it. If he wants to learn some

day, he will.

Liz

wrote:

> Hi all !! Many of you have read about our OT experiences and many

> have also disagreed with the methods used. I posted about the monkey

> bar fiasco as well as the skating episode where we were asked to

> leave early. Today I had my requested day off and interupted my

> afternoon to take Lane to her appointment ( of which I don't mind

> having to do if it will benefit my daughter ). It started out well on

> the swing and the ball pit and the therapist even invited Lane to her

> home Friday night to have an evening with another client that she has

> befriended for pizza and a movie. Everything was fine until Lane was

> told to put a helmet on and get on a bike. To make a long story short

> she refused and after 10 minutes of trying to persuade her we were

> told we could go home. I did get a few minutes to speak with the

> therapist who told me that in her opinion most of this was behavioral

> with only a small amount of sensory issues and fear and by letting

> her get away with not doing it we were just enforcing in Lane's mind

> that she was incapable of the task. I asked did she not feel it was

> neurological to which she replied perhaps some but not a high amount.

> That she had not caused Lane any harm thus far so she should trust

> her and that she was not asking her to do anything she was not

> capable of doing. We discussed that these issues had always been a

> problem and that we had tried all finds of behavior management but

> very little had worked and what were we to do? She said that if I was

> not there she would force Lane to do it, if she had to physicaly pick

> her up and put her on the bike kicking. In her defense she was not

> forward in her discussion and agreed to let my husband and I talk

> about what we wanted to do ....offered to wait until we had a few

> sessions with the psych for her opinions and she would conference

> with her on this. She also only charged us for 15 minutes of her time

> although it wasted her hour.

> So what I have to decide is do we continue to go to

> OT? Or do we just let our child decide that she does not want to

> learn to ride a bike, etc and be like other kids her age. I have

> tried to explain to Lane that this is not entertainment and that it

> is like paying to see 6 movies for the whole family in one hour. That

> it is school and she is there to learn and be able to do things like

> her friends. If she is not willing to try then the therapist is

> saying that there is no need for her to be there. I understand what

> is being said and agree to a point but it also angers me that she (

> therapist ) is being so rigid and then just as angry with Lane for

> being so stubborn. So do I just walk away from therapy once again and

> accept that it's just going to be this way and don't worry about

> trying to improve her motor skills? Lane wants to change therapists

> but I don't want to give into this and besides it would be out of the

> same hospital so that realy would not work.

> I called my husband who was too busy to talk much about

> it but he was a little angry and wondered why would you force her

> because it would end in a huge meltdown and also how do you FORCE a

> child to ride a bike? Put her on the bike and then she won't put her

> feet on the pedals and then if you would tie feet to pedals then she

> would not push, etc,etc. What good would that do? He agreed to phone

> the therapist himself to try and understand her stance on this and

> then we would decide what to do at this point.

>

> Sorry to be so long winded, I am upset over this..I can see it now,

> were going to be thought of as the parents who did'nt care enough to

> get therapy for our daughter like we were once before ( by the OT/PT

> dept at the hospital ).....I hate all of this.

>

>

>

>

>

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ps to my earlier post. I'd switch to another OT as soon as I could

Liz

wrote:

> Hi all !! Many of you have read about our OT experiences and many

> have also disagreed with the methods used.

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Dear

My son will be starting OT in the fall when he starts Kindergarten, Ive met with

the OT who has made out a list of things my son will be able to do by the end of

the first semester. He will be able to skip and gallop, Hop on 1 foot 20 times

ect. There are people in this world that don't have AS and still aren't real

cordinated. It doesn't sound like your daughter is benefiting from this or that

you are either. I know that I am rethinking the whole OT concept.

Good luck to what you decide. I hope everything works out

Sincerely Ingrid

( ) Opinions please....

Hi all !! Many of you have read about our OT experiences and many

have also disagreed with the methods used. I posted about the monkey

bar fiasco as well as the skating episode where we were asked to

leave early. Today I had my requested day off and interupted my

afternoon to take Lane to her appointment ( of which I don't mind

having to do if it will benefit my daughter ). It started out well on

the swing and the ball pit and the therapist even invited Lane to her

home Friday night to have an evening with another client that she has

befriended for pizza and a movie. Everything was fine until Lane was

told to put a helmet on and get on a bike. To make a long story short

she refused and after 10 minutes of trying to persuade her we were

told we could go home. I did get a few minutes to speak with the

therapist who told me that in her opinion most of this was behavioral

with only a small amount of sensory issues and fear and by letting

her get away with not doing it we were just enforcing in Lane's mind

that she was incapable of the task. I asked did she not feel it was

neurological to which she replied perhaps some but not a high amount.

That she had not caused Lane any harm thus far so she should trust

her and that she was not asking her to do anything she was not

capable of doing. We discussed that these issues had always been a

problem and that we had tried all finds of behavior management but

very little had worked and what were we to do? She said that if I was

not there she would force Lane to do it, if she had to physicaly pick

her up and put her on the bike kicking. In her defense she was not

forward in her discussion and agreed to let my husband and I talk

about what we wanted to do ....offered to wait until we had a few

sessions with the psych for her opinions and she would conference

with her on this. She also only charged us for 15 minutes of her time

although it wasted her hour.

So what I have to decide is do we continue to go to

OT? Or do we just let our child decide that she does not want to

learn to ride a bike, etc and be like other kids her age. I have

tried to explain to Lane that this is not entertainment and that it

is like paying to see 6 movies for the whole family in one hour. That

it is school and she is there to learn and be able to do things like

her friends. If she is not willing to try then the therapist is

saying that there is no need for her to be there. I understand what

is being said and agree to a point but it also angers me that she (

therapist ) is being so rigid and then just as angry with Lane for

being so stubborn. So do I just walk away from therapy once again and

accept that it's just going to be this way and don't worry about

trying to improve her motor skills? Lane wants to change therapists

but I don't want to give into this and besides it would be out of the

same hospital so that realy would not work.

I called my husband who was too busy to talk much about

it but he was a little angry and wondered why would you force her

because it would end in a huge meltdown and also how do you FORCE a

child to ride a bike? Put her on the bike and then she won't put her

feet on the pedals and then if you would tie feet to pedals then she

would not push, etc,etc. What good would that do? He agreed to phone

the therapist himself to try and understand her stance on this and

then we would decide what to do at this point.

Sorry to be so long winded, I am upset over this..I can see it now,

were going to be thought of as the parents who did'nt care enough to

get therapy for our daughter like we were once before ( by the OT/PT

dept at the hospital ).....I hate all of this.

[Guest guest]

Liz,

doesn't really know how to ride a bike, either. She learned briefly,

but never mastered it enough where she felt confident.

She didn't have good control and I envisioned her running into our

neighbor's garden. She did, however, learn to inline skate and was pretty

good.

Patti R.

Re: ( ) Opinions please....

> I don't know, , that sure sounds borderline abusive to me. It

seems to me that there are better ways to motivate kids that to put them on

a

> bike kicking and screaming, and that she ought to be creative enough to

think of one or two of them. What ever became of positive reinforcement? I

> can't imagine this happening in a public school. They'd have a fit. I'll

tell you my sneaky little secret. My ds doesn't know how to ride a bike.

> He's 15. He was always too scared. I never pushed it. If he wants to learn

some day, he will.

> Liz

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Patti,

That's great that skates! The one thing I did insist on, right when we

moved to California, was swimming, because we've always had a swimming pool in

the back yard. It was a safety issue. 's taking private swimming lessons

this summer, just to work on his strokes. Much to my surprise, he focuses on

what his instructor says and incorporates the instructor's comments and

feedback very well. This is especially surprising, as it is well after his

Adderall has worn off. I asked about this and he said, " I like swimming,

so it's easy to concentrate. " But neither of my kids does anything with wheels.

Liz

" Patti R. " wrote:

> Liz,

> doesn't really know how to ride a bike, either. She learned briefly,

> but never mastered it enough where she felt confident.

> She didn't have good control and I envisioned her running into our

> neighbor's garden. She did, however, learn to inline skate and was pretty

> good.

>

> Patti R.

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Liz,

Unfortunately, she's been having trouble since she put on all her weight and

had her growth spurt (center of gravity changed?) But she was a whiz when

she was younger.

swims as well. My parents put in a pool when she was about 10 months

old and she's pretty much lived in it (during the summer at least) ever

since. Now, granted, the pool is only 4ft deep, but she been swimming very

well since before she could touch the bottom. On a side note, it was

interesting to watch the progression. The pool is 4ft deep in the center,

but only about 3 1/2 feet deep at the sides. Every year could stand

further and further towards the middle.

Patti R.

Re: ( ) Opinions please....

> Patti,

> That's great that skates! The one thing I did insist on, right when

we

> moved to California, was swimming, because we've always had a swimming

pool in

> the back yard. It was a safety issue. 's taking private swimming

lessons

> this summer, just to work on his strokes. Much to my surprise, he focuses

on

> what his instructor says and incorporates the instructor's comments and

> feedback very well. This is especially surprising, as it is well after his

> Adderall has worn off. I asked about this and he said, " I like

swimming,

> so it's easy to concentrate. " But neither of my kids does anything with

wheels.

>

> Liz

>

> " Patti R. " wrote:

>

> > Liz,

> > doesn't really know how to ride a bike, either. She learned

briefly,

> > but never mastered it enough where she felt confident.

> > She didn't have good control and I envisioned her running into our

> > neighbor's garden. She did, however, learn to inline skate and was

pretty

> > good.

> >

> > Patti R.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I said, " You mean, he can separate the autism out and behave like a

brat on cue? " She nodded knowingly.

IMO

That sounds like a convenient excuse for her behavior .

[Guest guest]

Sounds good, Ingrid, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Despite all efforts,

has NOT been successful in learning to march or skip along the

sidewalk. He also does not use his arms for propulsion when he runs.

However, he mastered the riding of his bike, although he isn't good at

turning tightly, and he no longer tippy-toes. I don't think we can say with

any certainty that a child with difficulties will necessarily overcome all

of them, and give a time-line to boot!

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

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From: " Ingrid " <ingrid322@...>

> My son will be starting OT in the fall when he starts Kindergarten, Ive

met with the OT who has made out a list of things my son will be able to do

by the end of the first semester. He will be able to skip and gallop, Hop on

1 foot 20 times ect.

[Guest guest]

Roxanna, Were you able to control your laughter??? What was this lady

thinking!

One minute you are autistic and the other minute you are not! Interesting

Johanna

> I said, " You mean, he can separate the autism out and behave like a

> brat on cue? " She nodded knowingly.

>

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I would drop the OT personally. Lane should be entitled to her fears.

I am afraid of creepy crawlies. I hate small enclosed areas, esp

elevators. Etc. Would I be better off if I were enclosed in a small

elevator w/ a million creepy crawlies? I seriously doubt it. I might

survive it. After all I'm almost 30. I've learned to deal w/ alot.

But would I trust the person who made me endure this? Heck no! Hunter

was terrified of the water. I encouraged him to get over his fear,

but I did not throw him in the deep end and say swim or sink. He

still can not swim, but a couple of years later HE BEGGED for

lessons. Wow! When they are ready it makes a HUGE difference. Now he

was still scared of showers at this point and you had to use one

prior to the lesson. I bribed him. Sometimes to get to a certain

point you have to try the first step. If I wanted to give birth I had

to get in an elevator. lol. If Hunter wanted his swim lesson he had

to take a shower. It's all about proper motivation in my opinion.

This I can understand, but it doesn't seem like to me that Lane wants

any of this bad enough to do it on her own. Maybe she just needs

time. Does she even show a huge interest in learning these motor

skills? Make sure you don't lose sight. Think about why you are doing

this. I know this is hard.

Hugs, a

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,

You got to think positive! I know what you mean though. I have

some real pretty IEPs. Sadly that does NOT guarantee all " M " s for

Mastered. It's a hard balance: being positive while trying to

maintain a bit of realism.

a

> Sounds good, Ingrid, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Despite all

efforts,

> has NOT been successful in learning to march or skip along

the

> sidewalk. He also does not use his arms for propulsion when he runs.

> However, he mastered the riding of his bike, although he isn't good

at

> turning tightly, and he no longer tippy-toes. I don't think we can

say with

> any certainty that a child with difficulties will necessarily

overcome all

> of them, and give a time-line to boot!

>

> / 4makelas@s...

> Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Ingrid " <ingrid322@m...>

>

> > My son will be starting OT in the fall when he starts

Kindergarten, Ive

> met with the OT who has made out a list of things my son will be

able to do

> by the end of the first semester. He will be able to skip and

gallop, Hop on

> 1 foot 20 times ect.

[Guest guest]

I have read this whole thread with interest. I am new to the list,

so I don't know how old Lane is, though, and would like to know.

I have come across several things that my son has not wanted to do

(at home) and alot of times, he just can't figure it out, or he's

(really) scared, or it's really hard otherwise for him. And I wonder

if the goal of the Lane's OT was to get her to ride a bike, or just

to do what she was told.

I remember in Kindergarten my son couldn't jump rope well, or hop the

required number of times. So we worked on it, but often times

learning one skill can be accomplished by working on something else.

Make sense? In karate, they want the kids to do good jumps and kicks

(eventually), but they don't jump and kick over and over, they do

duck walk and frog jump and stuff like that. So unless you have the

underworkings down, you are going to have a harder time attaining

the " goal. " We have never been to an OT, and I'm sure they know all

of this. But sometimes you can get stuck into a control issue

problem--at home, in school...whereever.

It seems to me that one of the ideas of the Kindergarten gross motor

skills tests is to spot someone that's really having problems. And

his teacher did recommend we try to get a referral to an OT. So I

hauled ds to the pediatrician and she tested his balance and

coordination. Not extensively, but he could pretty much do

everything she asked for his age. Okay, so it wasn't graceful.

At that point, she wasn't overly concerned, and we didn't get the

referral. She said some people just aren't coordinated to play pro

sports. And there are motor " problems " from K that are now resolved.

(He's going into 4th grade now) But some are sticking. Although he

didn't qualify for adaptive PE, the way I read his scores from her

tests indicate he doesn't have skills at the level he should. I am

just utterly confused.

It's sometimes hard to now when something is really a problem, esp

for kids on the mild side. But they could probably be helped a

little with the right approach.

Jackie, rambling on too long, gotta get to swimming lessons!

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In a message dated 7/23/03 12:22:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sjparvin@... writes:

> Roxanna, Were you able to control your laughter??? What was this lady

> thinking!

> One minute you are autistic and the other minute you are not! Interesting

>

> Johanna

>

> >I said, " You mean, he can separate the autism out and behave like a

> >brat on cue? " She nodded knowingly.

>

Fortunately, I was able to control my laughter because I was getting so

pissed off I was more likely to scream and smack her. lol. Now it's funny,

though. But at the time, it was so frustrating. Here I was - ME - and then

there

were no less than 4 teachers, the sped teacher, the aide, the principal, the

vice principal. And all of them staring at me while letting me know that not

only is my kid autistic, he's now a brat to boot. I was in tears by the end of

the meeting but I kept talking. And of course, I insisted that this teacher

be kept away from my son and they did arrange to give him a new teacher in a

different group. So in the end, she was taken out of the picture and a new

teacher was put in her place. I always wanted to go back and say something

smart

ass to her because my son improved tremendously when he was relieved from her

draconian ways of teaching. I wanted to say, " See! You were WRONG!!!!!! "

But you know we never get to do that.

Roxanna

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It makes sense to go up the molehill

dressed for the mountain

Nan, the Wiser

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In a message dated 7/25/03 3:05:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kneeleee@...

writes:

<< all of them staring at me while letting me know that not

only is my kid autistic, he's now a brat to boot. >>

Boy have I ever been there!!!! The teacher who said " there isn't a child I

haven't been able to break. " She was also the same teacher who said that she

thought Danny's outbursts were very unusual for an autistic child. In fact,

she didn't believe there was any connection of aggression and autism. I knew we

were in for it then. He stayed with her for about half the year.

Then there was the teacher who said, " you just have to be consistent with

your discipline--here let me show you how you might handle this... "

Then there was the teacher who said after viewing some " marks " on my 4 yr.

old ( never mind that clumsiness and awkwardness go with it) who hinted at an

abuse/autism connection and " surely you must just get exhausted dealing with him

and then what do you do??? " I wanted to ask her, " why don't you come home

with me tonight and find out? Or are you too exhausted from dealing with him?? "

Sorry I rant. Dredged up some old stuff there.

Debbie in NC

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In a message dated 6/23/2004 2:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, kshaff@...

writes:

> a) Is he having a yeast or

> bacteria flare up and regressing from it a bit He is finally

> hitting a delayed terrible twos c) Is the enzymes taking care of

> something that we might have missed and he is going through

> withdrawls d) If it takes 8 months to get gluten out of the system,

> is he finally going through gluten withdrawls

I vote or possibly a). It sounds like he's becoming assertive -- which is

good! At least for n, yeast behavior is Really Bad, way beyond your

average 2 yo.

It is odd to see typical stages and behaviors being worked through later. I

had been so pleased that n never begged for toys in stores and didn't seem

that attached to things. Turns out it wasn't my semi-Buddhist

anti-materialist parenting after all -- now he carries a Playmobil catalog

around with him

everywhere and is desperate to get all those Vikings.....

I think it's a good sign for your son, glad the enzymes are helping.

Nell

[Guest guest]

posted some great things about gluten and it Not being your system for

months on end. So don't panic about that. Could be a combination of all of

the things you listed.

Opinions Please....

> My son has been on the gfcf diet for close to 8 months now...(wow,

> is it really that long??) Anyhow, we started Houston enzymes over a

> month ago, and were blessed with formed stools finally! (enzymes

> with diet) Yeah!. Also a period of great changes and progress.

> Now the last week or two he is starting to get a bit more agressive

> and obstinate. (hope I spelled it right) Not bad agressive...he

> doesn't hit or bite type of thing... But he is starting to have

> fights with his older sister, whom he used to be very passive with

> even when she was bossing him around. He is also throwing more

> tantrums.....the throw yourself on the floor kind. They don't last

> a long time. Also he is a bit more defiant. More " no " answers

> when we tell him to do something. He just turned 4 last month.

>

> So my husband and I are wondering if a) Is he having a yeast or

> bacteria flare up and regressing from it a bit He is finally

> hitting a delayed terrible twos c) Is the enzymes taking care of

> something that we might have missed and he is going through

> withdrawls d) If it takes 8 months to get gluten out of the system,

> is he finally going through gluten withdrawls...

>

> So what do you all think?? Anyone go through this experience as

> well?

>

>

> --Kristal in Iowa

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter just turned 4 a month ago and her new defiant attitude is

driving me crazy! Nice to know it may just be something I have to

work through with her.

Best Wishes

Becky

> My son has been on the gfcf diet for close to 8 months now...(wow,

> is it really that long??) Anyhow, we started Houston enzymes over

a

> month ago, and were blessed with formed stools finally! (enzymes

> with diet) Yeah!. Also a period of great changes and progress.

> Now the last week or two he is starting to get a bit more agressive

> and obstinate. (hope I spelled it right) Not bad agressive...he

> doesn't hit or bite type of thing... But he is starting to have

> fights with his older sister, whom he used to be very passive with

> even when she was bossing him around. He is also throwing more

> tantrums.....the throw yourself on the floor kind. They don't last

> a long time. Also he is a bit more defiant. More " no " answers

> when we tell him to do something. He just turned 4 last month.

>

> So my husband and I are wondering if a) Is he having a yeast or

> bacteria flare up and regressing from it a bit He is finally

> hitting a delayed terrible twos c) Is the enzymes taking care of

> something that we might have missed and he is going through

> withdrawls d) If it takes 8 months to get gluten out of the

system,

> is he finally going through gluten withdrawls...

>

> So what do you all think?? Anyone go through this experience as

> well?

>

>

> --Kristal in Iowa

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristal - it was nice to meet you at Autism One.

If you are seeing the great changes and progress decrease as you see

the unpleasant behavior increase, then I would wonder if you have

added a food that cannot be tolerated. If the improvements maintain

along with the obstinance, then I wouldn't be as concerned.

When my son started enzymes, I had to get used to him finally playing

with his brother as well as fighting with his brother. It was a

crash course in raising siblings compressed into about a three month

time-frame. They were almost four and eight, but had not had a

relationship until zymes. I consulted several mothers of boys on a

regular basis!

> My son has been on the gfcf diet for close to 8 months now...(wow,

> is it really that long??) Anyhow, we started Houston enzymes over

a

> month ago, and were blessed with formed stools finally! (enzymes

> with diet) Yeah!. Also a period of great changes and progress.

> Now the last week or two he is starting to get a bit more agressive

> and obstinate. (hope I spelled it right) Not bad agressive...he

> doesn't hit or bite type of thing... But he is starting to have

> fights with his older sister, whom he used to be very passive with

> even when she was bossing him around. He is also throwing more

> tantrums.....the throw yourself on the floor kind. They don't last

> a long time. Also he is a bit more defiant. More " no " answers

> when we tell him to do something. He just turned 4 last month.

>

> So my husband and I are wondering if a) Is he having a yeast or

> bacteria flare up and regressing from it a bit He is finally

> hitting a delayed terrible twos c) Is the enzymes taking care of

> something that we might have missed and he is going through

> withdrawls d) If it takes 8 months to get gluten out of the

system,

> is he finally going through gluten withdrawls...

>

> So what do you all think?? Anyone go through this experience as

> well?

>

>

> --Kristal in Iowa