Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 > This doesn't mean that all the problems are solved, just that I feel more > hopeful about Owen's future than I did before the meeting! > Jill Jill, Sounds like you had a really productive meeting. I only wish every meeting could go that smoothly. Congratulations! Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 In a message dated 5/21/03 10:52:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JillBKern@... writes: > The IEP meeting this morning went so well, I am feeling very good about it! > wow, Jill! It sounds like you have so many people on Owen's side! Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 8:19:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JillBKern@... writes: > These people should be fired! Hope your meeting today goes a little > better, > but it sounds unlikely. Just try to keep your sanity. Think of us and know > that we are with you! > Hugs (and a kick in the pants to those clueless administrators!) > Jill > Thanks Jill. I just cannot believe that they would punish me for following the due process rights that are legally mine to pursue. They are saying, " Parents who do not sign the IEP and instead request an IEE will be punished. " I'm not sure if they are aware that I really did follow the rules and can't be punished for doing so. Or do they even care? I don't know! I just get so tired of them, which is perhaps their objective. Unfortunately, we are talking about my kids so I cannot very well " give up. " You'd think they would get that. I also wonder if I am not being punished for starting an advocacy group within our local autism group. We have more people " doubling up " to go to meetings so parents are not left alone. We have more parents requesting things that they never knew they could ask for before. And we have books and articles to share on our rights and the process. I know they are aware that I am part of that. I'm not sure if that factors into it or not. Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 10:27:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, uplift@... writes: > you just have to always weigh which one will be in your child's best > interest. > I know it sucks. hang in there, and just keep being the Borg we know !! > Fania > Fania, an IEE = Independent Educational Evaluation. Since we were not in agreement on what Ryder needed, I opted to request an IEE. Then the third party evaluates him and kind of " breaks the stalemate " by giving a 3rd opinion. This is part of our law called " procedural safeguards. " Unfortunately, my school is choosing to use it as punishment. Usually here if we do not agree, they will just use the old IEP until things are settled. But Ryder did not have an IEP yet - this is his first one. So there is no " stay put " and nothing for them to fall back on. Roxanna ò¿ò It makes sense to go up the molehill dressed for the mountain Nan, the Wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 6:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, barb2743@... writes: > I hope everything went well for you today! (((((((Roxanna))))))))))))))))) > > Barb > Thanks Barb. Today was not as bad as yesterday but was equally interesting. After a long drawn out discussion (the same discussion we always have - ugh) the man in charge of sped for the high school began to lecture me on my expectations for my son. He told me that kids who are sped have " lower trajectories " than other kids. It just kept getting worse the longer he talked. And this is the guy in charge of sped. Oh joy! My dh told him, " You better stop talking or start shoveling because it's getting deep in here. " lol. Roxanna ô¿ô Autism Happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 8:16:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, barb2743@... writes: > ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Did he stop dead in his tracks? I'm sure you all were the > subject of the day after that comment. Don't these people have children or > a heart? It really frustrates me that we have to go through all this, and my > journey is just beginning. sigh Barb > LOL. One of the people there laughed quietly, another smiled really big but this guy just stopped long enough to take a breath and then he continued on as if he just wasn't getting through to us. lol. I finally had to tell him I couldn't take anymore special ed for the week and I had to leave. That finally did make him stop because I stood up and was gathering my stuff. lol. My dh is pretty good about having the right thing to say at the right moment. lol. Roxanna ô¿ô Autism Happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 8:34:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lbohn@... writes: > This is too much even to hear about. How is it that my autistic 14 year old > just got an A in > honors physics? Maybe we've got the trajectory flipped the wrong way. LOL > This guy is nuts. > Get him fired. > Liz > ROFL! You mean...you moved the trajectory???? LOL! I don't know if he allows that to happen! I don't suppose your ds's teachers actually....:::whisper:::: teach him? I know the thought is shocking...Must be one of those west coast new fangled ideas? lol. Roxanna ô¿ô Autism Happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 > > I also wonder if I am not being punished for starting an advocacy group > within our local autism group. We have more people " doubling up " to go to meetings > so parents are not left alone. We have more parents requesting things that > they never knew they could ask for before. And we have books and articles to > share on our rights and the process. I know they are aware that I am part of > that. I'm not sure if that factors into it or not. > > Roxanna ôô Roxanna, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this fact did factor into their treatment of you. I've always heard that, if a person should decide to become a student advocate, don't advocate for students in your children's school district - too much chance of repercussions. Nevertheless, you are doing the right thing in empowering other parents. Hold that thought as you deal with these Neanderthals. I'm praying that things start to look up for you. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 <<<<> I also wonder if I am not being punished for starting an advocacy group within our local autism group. We have more people " doubling up " to go to meetings > so parents are not left alone. We have more parents requesting things that > they never knew they could ask for before. And we have books and articles to > share on our rights and the process. I know they are aware that I am part of > that. I'm not sure if that factors into it or not.> it may. but you are not doing anything wrong. you are only making sure your child gets what is due to him BY LAW!and helping others know their rights. here every IEP/504 includes one parent rep who is a parent of a child who is in sped, by law, to help the parents get what is due to the child, explain the process to the parents etc. this parent rep's main role is to watch the meeting like a hawk and to make sure they do act by law and in favor of the child. of course it depends who that rep is and how strong (borg) he himself is. I had one IEP where teh parent rep was great, told tehm how wrong they were to their face, and backed me when I calaimed tehy lied afterwards about waht went on during the EP. I ahd another IEP with a rep taht just sat there like a mummy and I probably knew my rights better than her......but the point I wanted to make is taht this parent rep can never be from the same district as the child being discussed. they say it is because of issues of secrecy and disclosure, but I am guessing they had in mind " revenge " -theme as well.... lol don't worry too much, you ARE doing the right thing ! and they may hate you for the hassle and work you are causing them, but secretely they admire you, and at some point, this admiration will work in your children's favor because they will not be able to efuse too many of your requests.... F you are doing the right thing in empowering other parents. Hold that thought as you deal with these Neanderthals. I'm praying that things start to look up for you. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I'm sure this is part of the problem. They probably feel like you all are ganging up on them. BUT if they did their job, and serviced these kids like they are suppose to, you would not have to go to these measures. I hope everything went well for you today! (((((((Roxanna))))))))))))))))) Barb I also wonder if I am not being punished for starting an advocacy group within our local autism group. We have more people " doubling up " to go to meetings so parents are not left alone. We have more parents requesting things that they never knew they could ask for before. And we have books and articles to share on our rights and the process. I know they are aware that I am part of that. I'm not sure if that factors into it or not. Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 ----- >>>>>>> " Parents who do not sign the IEP and instead request an IEE will be punished. " >>>> I don't know what si an IEE, but here you have the right not to sign teh IEP, even to add your own written ermarks etc, but they can go ahead and have teh IEP meeting, make teh decisions and decide to implement them, THEN you can appeal, and the bottom line is you can't make them do what you want, but you can stop them from doing what they want...... you just have to always weigh which one will be in your child's best interest. I know it sucks. hang in there, and just keep being the Borg we know !! Fania I'm not sure if they are aware that I really did follow the rules and can't be punished for doing so. Or do they even care? I don't know! I just get so tired of them, which is perhaps their objective. Unfortunately, we are talking about my kids so I cannot very well " give up. " You'd think they would get that. I also wonder if I am not being punished for starting an advocacy group within our local autism group. We have more people " doubling up " to go to meetings so parents are not left alone. We have more parents requesting things that they never knew they could ask for before. And we have books and articles to share on our rights and the process. I know they are aware that I am part of that. I'm not sure if that factors into it or not. Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! Did he stop dead in his tracks? I'm sure you all were the subject of the day after that comment. Don't these people have children or a heart? It really frustrates me that we have to go through all this, and my journey is just beginning. sigh Barb kneeleee@... wrote: In a message dated 6/11/03 6:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, barb2743@... writes: > I hope everything went well for you today! (((((((Roxanna))))))))))))))))) > > Barb > Thanks Barb. Today was not as bad as yesterday but was equally interesting. After a long drawn out discussion (the same discussion we always have - ugh) the man in charge of sped for the high school began to lecture me on my expectations for my son. He told me that kids who are sped have " lower trajectories " than other kids. It just kept getting worse the longer he talked. And this is the guy in charge of sped. Oh joy! My dh told him, " You better stop talking or start shoveling because it's getting deep in here. " lol. Roxanna ô¿ô Autism Happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 > > ----- >>>>>>> " Parents who do not sign the IEP and instead request an IEE will be punished. " >>>> > > I don't know what si an IEE, > Fania > it think it stands for Independant Educational Evaluation - basically it's your right to disagree and request a second opinion...from someone not associated with the school. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Roxanna, I'm putting on my horseback riding boots and my spurs and I'm coming out there. For real. This is too much even to hear about. How is it that my autistic 14 year old just got an A in honors physics? Maybe we've got the trajectory flipped the wrong way. LOL This guy is nuts. Get him fired. Liz ps. My friend Donna came over today, and was telling me this lovely story about a Walmart cashier in the community we used to live in. When Donna was checking out, the cashier started in on how the schools were out, and the teenagers were going to be in the store in HORDES, and shoplifting would go up by leaps and bounds, not just a little bit, but by HUGE amounts, and she went on and on about how much she hated teenagers. Now Donna has eight children, many of whom were teenagers at that time, and not one of them has ever been caught shoplifting. She tried to talk to the cashier and enlighten her that all kids are not bad shoplifters, but the cashier would have none of it. So Donna did the next best thing. She wrote down the cashier's name, and wrote a letter to Walmart. About a month later, she got a letter from Walmart saying " You won't be having that problem any more. We guarantee it. " kneeleee@... wrote: > > He told me that kids who are sped have " lower > trajectories " than other kids. It just kept getting worse the longer he talked. And this > is the guy in charge of sped. Oh joy! My dh told him, " You better stop > talking or start shoveling because it's getting deep in here. " lol. > Roxanna ô¿ô Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 > > ps. My friend Donna came over today, and was telling me this lovely story about a Walmart > cashier in the community we used to live in. When Donna was checking out, the cashier started > in on how the schools were out, and the teenagers were going to be in the store in HORDES, > and shoplifting would go up by leaps and bounds, not just a little bit, but by HUGE amounts, > and she went on and on about how much she hated teenagers. Now Donna has eight children, many > of whom were teenagers at that time, and not one of them has ever been caught shoplifting. > She tried to talk to the cashier and enlighten her that all kids are not bad shoplifters, but > the cashier would have none of it. So Donna did the next best thing. She wrote down the > cashier's name, and wrote a letter to Walmart. About a month later, she got a letter from > Walmart saying " You won't be having that problem any more. We guarantee it. " Wouldn't it be nice if we could eliminate the people in our school systems, who can't be enlightened, with a letter? Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Hi, The Shafer Autism Report has mentioned that California has a database to keep track of parents who challenge special ed decisions. I'm not sure exactly what you have to do to get in it - if just being assertive for your own child will do or if you have to commit the sin of advocating for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Hi, Call me cynical, but one of the standard lines our district's special ed uses " I think the changes we have to make in the classroom make us better teachers for all the kids " . It would be nice if I felt it was sincere. Anyway, if this is the case, why aren't they thanking us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 F I thought it interesting that when I went to my son IEP meeting his Case worker (whom is very nice) told me that they don't have to have the meetings every year (his last one was his first and that was March). She said they were only required to do it with the parents every three years. She said but we do one every year anyway. I sat and smiled at her. Then said " well his Dad will always look for someone to blame if there's a problem " . Some days it's nice to be divorced and know he make enemies easily. I can be the nice one and use HIM for fear factor. But if I didn't have the EX it would be nice to have someone to support me since my meetings are separate from his. in NJ Re: ( ) To Roxanna re IEP <<<<> I also wonder if I am not being punished for starting an advocacy group within our local autism group. We have more people " doubling up " to go to meetings > so parents are not left alone. We have more parents requesting things that > they never knew they could ask for before. And we have books and articles to > share on our rights and the process. I know they are aware that I am part of > that. I'm not sure if that factors into it or not.> it may. but you are not doing anything wrong. you you are doing the right thing in empowering other parents. Hold that thought as you deal with these Neanderthals. I'm praying that things start to look up for you. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! not even in my best dreams would my dh be able to say something like that in an IEP meeting !!!!!!!!!!!!!! F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 urgh !! sounds like they need a legal shake-up! F Re: ( ) To Roxanna re IEP In a message dated 6/11/03 10:27:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, uplift@... writes: > you just have to always weigh which one will be in your child's best > interest. > I know it sucks. hang in there, and just keep being the Borg we know !! > Fania > Fania, an IEE = Independent Educational Evaluation. Since we were not in agreement on what Ryder needed, I opted to request an IEE. Then the third party evaluates him and kind of " breaks the stalemate " by giving a 3rd opinion. This is part of our law called " procedural safeguards. " Unfortunately, my school is choosing to use it as punishment. Usually here if we do not agree, they will just use the old IEP until things are settled. But Ryder did not have an IEP yet - this is his first one. So there is no " stay put " and nothing for them to fall back on. Roxanna ò¿ò It makes sense to go up the molehill dressed for the mountain Nan, the Wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 10:25:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, uplift@... writes: > here every IEP/504 includes one parent rep who is a parent of a child who > is in sped, by law, to help the parents get what is due to the child, explain > the process to the parents etc. this parent rep's main role is to watch the > meeting like a hawk and to make sure they do act by law and in favor of the > child. > Here in Ohio, some school districts have parent advocates. These people go with parents to the IEP. Naturally, my school district does not have any parent advocates. I heard when some parents tried, they denied the request. However, we are spreading out in our group and trying to attend IEPs and not leave parents alone in this. I hope this idea catches on. I am not as good because I have Ryder at home still. Once he gets in school full time, I will be able to go to IEPs for others. << don't worry too much, you ARE doing the right thing ! and they may hate you for the hassle and work you are causing them, but secretely they admire you, and at some point, this admiration will work in your children's favor because they will not be able to efuse too many of your requests.... >> I think all they think when they see me is, " Ack, here she comes again! " Actually, I think the same thing when I enter the room for another meeting. lol. Roxanna ô¿ô Autism Happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 8:49:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinters@... writes: > About a month later, > she got a letter from > >Walmart saying " You won't be having that problem any more. We > guarantee it. " > > Wouldn't it be nice if we could eliminate the people in our school > systems, who can't be enlightened, with a letter? > > Kathy > From your keyboard to the IDEA! lol. I do wish we could do that. Life would work better if people had to be qualified and capable in their job instead of just kiss up to the right people. Roxanna ò¿ò It makes sense to go up the molehill dressed for the mountain Nan, the Wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 9:54:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, weinert@... writes: > The Shafer Autism Report has mentioned that California has a database > to keep track of parents who challenge special ed decisions. I'm not > sure exactly what you have to do to get in it - if just being > assertive for your own child will do or if you have to commit the sin > of advocating for others. > lol. I'm sure if you just don't go along like a good parent, you'll get in. To think the public pays for this kind of stuff! Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 In a message dated 6/11/03 10:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, embroidery4@... writes: > I thought it interesting that when I went to my son IEP meeting his Case > worker (whom is very nice) told me that they don't have to have the meetings > every year (his last one was his first and that was March). She said they were > only required to do it with the parents every three years. She said but we > do one every year anyway. I sat and smiled at her. Then said " well his Dad > will always look for someone to blame if there's a problem " . Some days it's > nice to be divorced and know he make enemies easily. I can be the nice one > and use HIM for fear factor. But if I didn't have the EX it would be nice > to have someone to support me since my meetings are separate from his. > > in NJ > good answer on your part! But she is not right. An IEP is done yearly. The MFE can be done every 3 years. Of course, the new changes they are discussing might change the IEP to every 3 years but I hear the parent can still request one yearly anyway. Roxanna ò¿ò It makes sense to go up the molehill dressed for the mountain Nan, the Wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 <<<<<<<I think all they think when they see me is, " Ack, here she comes again! " > yes, but " she " includes " she who won't let us do half-jobs, SHE who cares so much for her kids, SHE who I don't know if I would have that kind of energy if it were My own son.... " : and THAT will work in your favor ! never forget ! Fania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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