Re: How do you enforce an IEP

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I ran into a problem with getting sent home all the time in second

grade.

Unfortuanly it took to near the end of the year to find out what the

reasoning was.

's biggest problems (academically) have to dowith writting, especially

anything creative. Apparently they were supposed to be writting in a journal

starting at 8:15 until about 8:45. would start acting up prompltly at

8:13 each morning and be sent to the principals office where he would remain

until 9 am. At which time the secretary would ask if he was 'calm enough' to

return to class and he would. If he decided he didn't want ot be in schoolthat

day

he'd just act up in the office too and homehe was sent- allto avoid writting.

The one thing he hated was running laps- and any form of cleaning.

After discussing the situation (in April) with the support team- I infrmed

themthat they wre givinghim EXACTLY what he wanted, and suggested the next

timehe run laps instead of being sentto the prinipal's office.They did. he came

home amazed that they made him do THAT. I told him that the next time he got

into

trouble they wre goingto make him clean the cafeteria! The 'child' hasn't

acted up in school since- andhe's in college now.

God never gives you more than you can handle; he just has more confidence in

me then I have in myself.********* " Do Little Things With Great Love "

Mother

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I was told to take him home by the

principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

be just what he needs.

<

I would report that jerk to the school board!

[Guest guest]

OH MY!!! This sounds like the school my son goes too! Other than the spanking

bit, you have no idea how many times I got called to get my son, because he was

acting up.

The why of it is a very long story, and I won't go into it now. but toward the

end of the school year, last year, they told me I would have to call and ask if

it was okay to bring him in. I said " I don't think so, at least not in this

life time, he has a right to be here "

I bet I brought him home at least 40 times. Oh and he got suspended too, by the

teachers behavior logs and my notes it was 13 times, guess how many times the

school had documented? 4!!!!! that was it! This year, I said if he is having

a bad day, and you want me to come get him, then you will have to suspend him,

it's the only way I will do it. I decided on this, as if I come and get him, he

is not receiving an education, but once they hit 10 days, then they have to,

find someway to continue his education each time they do so.

The principal wan't too happy, I think part of it is he remembers me from when I

was a little girl, probably around 4 or 5, his family and mine were good

friends. When he started to talk to me, it was like I was still that little

girl. I had to interrupt him, and point out that I was no longer a little girl,

some where along the way I grew up, and he was to address me and treat me as

such.

Funny, but this year, and I see him almost everyday, he is sooooooooo nice to me

now.

tks1957 <tks1957@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have a question. How do you get the school to enforce an IEP? We

have written into the IEP that my son should be sent home only as a

last resort. He likes to get sent home and will constantly try to

get them to send him home. Yesterday, after only being there for 30

minutes, I got a call to come and pick him up. We had put into the

IEP that if he got out of hand they were to call me to try to calm

him down so he could complete the day. When I got to the school he

was completely calm but I was told to take him home by the

principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

be just what he needs.

Terry

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> Hi,

>

> I have a question. How do you get the school to enforce an IEP?

We

> have written into the IEP that my son should be sent home only as a

> last resort. He likes to get sent home and will constantly try to

> get them to send him home. Yesterday, after only being there for

30

> minutes, I got a call to come and pick him up. We had put into the

> IEP that if he got out of hand they were to call me to try to calm

> him down so he could complete the day. When I got to the school he

> was completely calm but I was told to take him home by the

> principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

> be just what he needs.

>

> Terry

Terry,

Oh that's frustrating. I don't know how old your son is, but it

sounds like he is young. I can't believe somebody actually suggested

a spanking!! Sheesh!

Well, it seems that the IEP is being ignored. You could call another

IEP meeting and request a functional behavioral assessment to

determine what the triggers are to his meltdowns and also to suggest

alternatives to calling you to take him home. It seems to me that

calling you to come and take him home is both unfair to you and a

reward to him. What motivation does he have NOT to meltdown if he's

getting exactly what he wants? He's getting out of an unpleasant

situation.

So, the IEP should spell out accomodations and services for him to

help him stay on task and calm and ALSO spell out options for what to

do to avoid meltdowns and how to handle them when they occur. For

instance, the teacher could givehim the option of going to the

guidance office to calm down or just go out in the hall for a few

minutes to compose himself.

But definitely, ignoring the IEP and just calling you to take him

home is a cop out. They need to come up with a plan. I suggest you

send a written request for an IEP meeting to address this specific

issue. And at the meeting, request a functional behavioral

assessment (FBA). And, in the meanwhile - since that could take a

couple months - come up with some options to calling you to take him

home. If all else fails, find an advocate to help you out. Let us

know how it goes.

Kathy

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<<<<<<<<I was told to take him home by the

principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might be just

what he needs.

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I would report that jerk to the school board!>>>

ME too and in eriting

F

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In a message dated 9/4/03 9:09:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

@... writes:

> Second in response to s post about telling her son the

> punishment was running laps and cleaning the cafeteria.......I LOVE

> it!!!!! Thanks for the inspiration!! I'm sure your son will never

> be a janitor nor a marathon runner! lol

>

>

>

I still have to get on him to clean his room and he's a math and science

whiz- he's planning on getting into the computer field- possibly programing.

He's

getting ready to take 2 not working computers and one ancient one and make one

decent one out of it. And he still doesn't run- ended up in adaptive PE in

high school -- which was the only way to satisfy the PE requirement for him. The

whole incident revolved around finding the CAUSE. By the way - he stillhates

to write and has accomodations for that in college as well.

God never gives you more than you can handle; he just has more confidence in

me then I have in myself.********* " Do Little Things With Great Love "

Mother

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First off, you must live in FL where capital punishment (spanking) is

still allowed in schools! While we lived there we were told that our

son was a monster and we were bad parents and that we needed to

discpline him and spank him to get the message across, all this from

the Principal, his teacher AND the Guidance Counslor that had a PHd

after his name!!

Second in response to s post about telling her son the

punishment was running laps and cleaning the cafeteria.......I LOVE

it!!!!! Thanks for the inspiration!! I'm sure your son will never

be a janitor nor a marathon runner! lol

[Guest guest]

> ... He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

> be just what he needs.

>

> Terry

Right - Teach him that if someone does something that you don't like, then you

hit that person. That will really improve his behavior. <Note: there was

sarcasm in that last statement>

Meanwhile, the school must provide him with FAPE (Free and Appropriate

Education). Perhaps it should be pointed out to them that sending him home does

NOT provide FAPE.

Good Luck,

in Massachusetts

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In a message dated 9/3/2003 7:00:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

tks1957@... writes:

> When I got to the school he

> was completely calm but I was told to take him home by the

> principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

> be just what he needs.

>

Terry,

You know I guess I was living in my own little bubble world as I had no idea

the south still allowed spanking! Don't worry guys I'm not going to get on

the spanking bandwagon. I'd still report him.

Johanna

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In a message dated 9/4/2003 4:54:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tks1957@... writes:

> ,

>

> Thanks, that is exactly what I try to tell people. If

> you spank him not only does his behavior get worse but

> then he also thinks he can do that to others.

>

> Terry

>

I'm sorry to admit that I tried spanking a couple of times on Joe ( I'm big

on not spanking etc and all the reasons why) and I was really upset with myself

for trying it. I know its not the way to handle things but I did it at any

rate. Well, my son laughs when I spanked him. Wonder how that would go over

with this principal. I'm really glad God gave him to me instead of another

family.....at least I was able to realize that this was NOT the way to go and

went back to the 1,2,3 approach. I can only imagine him being with a family

that

uses spanking....he would just laugh more and then get spanked

harder...awful. I think we should outlaw spanking in schools period.

Johanna getting off the soapbox

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Terry, I would go above the principal's head to the superintendent. Sounds

like the principal could use that spanking!

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

----- Original Message -----

From: " tks1957 " <tks1957@...>

We had put into the

> IEP that if he got out of hand they were to call me to try to calm

> him down so he could complete the day. When I got to the school he

> was completely calm but I was told to take him home by the

> principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

> be just what he needs.

[Guest guest]

<<<<<I'm about on the verge of homeschooling.>>

Terry, I am constantly on that " verge " .......

[Guest guest]

,

Where does he go to college? Does he live at home, or on campus? I hope you

don't mind my asking. My son is a

sophomore in high school and is coming up on needing to make these decisions and

I'm curious about the decisions

others are making. Thanks,

Liz

faeriehouse@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/4/03 9:09:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> @... writes:

>

> > Second in response to s post about telling her son the

> > punishment was running laps and cleaning the cafeteria.......I LOVE

> > it!!!!! Thanks for the inspiration!! I'm sure your son will never

> > be a janitor nor a marathon runner! lol

> >

> >

> >

>

> I still have to get on him to clean his room and he's a math and science

> whiz- he's planning on getting into the computer field- possibly programing.

He's

> getting ready to take 2 not working computers and one ancient one and make one

> decent one out of it. And he still doesn't run- ended up in adaptive PE in

> high school -- which was the only way to satisfy the PE requirement for him.

The

> whole incident revolved around finding the CAUSE. By the way - he stillhates

> to write and has accomodations for that in college as well.

>

>

>

> God never gives you more than you can handle; he just has more confidence in

> me then I have in myself.********* " Do Little Things With Great Love "

> Mother

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Terry, I would go above the principal's head to the superintendent.

I agree. Write a letter to the superintendent, cc to the principal, to

ask that your kid's IEP be followed.

[Guest guest]

I'm also approaching these issues and would love to know about programs

that can be utilized by families to help AS kids with social defects. We

live in a very tiny rural town and no access to knowledgeable therapists.

Anne Newkirk Niven

Mother of Arthur, 14, AS

At 10:47 AM 9/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>,

>Where does he go to college? Does he live at home, or on campus? I hope

>you don't mind my asking. My son is a

>sophomore in high school and is coming up on needing to make these

>decisions and I'm curious about the decisions

>others are making. Thanks,

>Liz

>

>faeriehouse@... wrote:

>

> > In a message dated 9/4/03 9:09:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > @... writes:

> >

> > > Second in response to s post about telling her son the

> > > punishment was running laps and cleaning the cafeteria.......I LOVE

> > > it!!!!! Thanks for the inspiration!! I'm sure your son will never

> > > be a janitor nor a marathon runner! lol

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I still have to get on him to clean his room and he's a math and science

> > whiz- he's planning on getting into the computer field- possibly

> programing. He's

> > getting ready to take 2 not working computers and one ancient one and

> make one

> > decent one out of it. And he still doesn't run- ended up in adaptive PE in

> > high school -- which was the only way to satisfy the PE requirement for

> him. The

> > whole incident revolved around finding the CAUSE. By the way - he

> stillhates

> > to write and has accomodations for that in college as well.

> >

> >

> >

> > God never gives you more than you can handle; he just has more

> confidence in

> > me then I have in myself.********* " Do Little Things With Great Love "

> > Mother

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Anne,

is now 19. He was not officially diagnosed with AS until this past

spring. He has been an avid card player for quite a while now (Polemon, Magic

the

gathering and Yugioh). The local Books a Million has a league for Yugioh (

they yhad a Pokemon one but it fizzed out fromlack of supporting players). they

met ever Saturday for 2 hours. All the kids there are play for the love of it-

and they are all as stuck on their cards and strategies as my son. I suspect

there are a few other AS kids playing there as well. thanks to the cards he's

actually made a few friends that really ARE into the same things he is. To call

home and get a busy signal because my son is on the phone discussing

strategies with anothr league player is amazing.. its usually his younger sister

chatting with her girlfriends.. Makes me smile just thinking of it.

God never gives you more than you can handle; he just has more confidence in

me then I have in myself.********* " Do Little Things With Great Love "

Mother

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> I have a question. How do you get the school to enforce an IEP?

We

> have written into the IEP that my son should be sent home only as a

> last resort. He likes to get sent home and will constantly try to

> get them to send him home. Yesterday, after only being there for

30

> minutes, I got a call to come and pick him up. We had put into the

> IEP that if he got out of hand they were to call me to try to calm

> him down so he could complete the day. When I got to the school he

> was completely calm but I was told to take him home by the

> principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

> be just what he needs.

>

> Terry

If the school refuses to enforce the IEP, then you should write a

complaint to the state department of education for your state.

Second, You should write the school and request, in writing!, to have

a behavior assessment done and a positive behavior plan written for

your ds --> http://www.air.org/cecp/fba/Default.htm

It should not be about calling you at all. It should be about

figuring out why he wants to leave so badly and fixing that problem.

Last, the principal is a typical ignorant ass. Cyber slaps to him!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

> I was told to take him home by the

> principal. He also advised me that an old fashioned spanking might

> be just what he needs.

> <

> I would report that jerk to the school board!

No kidding. All those years of college...All that experience running

a school...and this is the best he can come up with? How lame!

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Next we insisted that they do a functional behavioral assessment

(FBA) -

> which I believe is even part of the federal IDEA law but which our

school

> seemed to be unaware of as they had begun to go directly into

writing a

> behavioral intervention plan (BIP) instead. Well guess what? The

school

> psych (PhD level) lead the FBA team which they'd excluded us from

btw, and

> found that his primary antecedent to the problem behaviors

was 'nothing'.

>

> At first I thought this was a joke. Then the neuropsych we hired

explained

> that they were saying he was psychotic.

>

> Good luck, really hope your experiences turn out better than ours.

>

>

> Marty Landman

> --

So then what happened?

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

No kidding. All those years of college...All that experience running

a school...and this is the best he can come up with? How lame!

<

If course, how else to take over the world than to turn children into

identical mindless automatons?

" What are we going to do tonight Brain? "

" The same thing we do every night. TRY and take OVER the world... "

(Pinky and the Brain)

Why suffer from insanity

when you can revel in it?

Love

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Well I flat out refused to take my son home last year. This was a one

time thing. I dug my heels in and said NO. They sent him back to

class. My real advice is to hire an advocate.

Good Luck, a

PS sometimes a complaint to the special ed annex or school board gets

attention. You could try that.

How do you get the school to enforce an IEP?

[Guest guest]

> No kidding. All those years of college...All that experience

running

> a school...and this is the best he can come up with? How lame!

> <

> If course, how else to take over the world than to turn children

into

> identical mindless automatons?

>

> " What are we going to do tonight Brain? "

> " The same thing we do every night. TRY and take OVER the world... "

> (Pinky and the Brain)

>

ROFL - excellent idea!

I can hear Reece screeching in the background yelling, " I hate

cartoons! Turn it off Turn it off! " lol. It's been a tough week

for him and he can't handle the toons.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

I can hear Reece screeching in the background yelling, " I hate

cartoons! Turn it off Turn it off! " lol. It's been a tough week

for him and he can't handle the toons.

>>

Poor Reece,

I can't think of a week so bad that TOONS would upset me... but that's me.

I'm addicted to old Warner Brother's cartoons... (got a copy of " One Froggy

Evening " on my hard drive... and Michigan J Frog tattooed on my chest... )

I hope Reece has a better week next week.

[Guest guest]

> I can hear Reece screeching in the background yelling, " I hate

> cartoons! Turn it off Turn it off! " lol. It's been a tough week

> for him and he can't handle the toons.

> >>

> Poor Reece,

> I can't think of a week so bad that TOONS would upset me... but

that's me.

> I'm addicted to old Warner Brother's cartoons... (got a copy

of " One Froggy

> Evening " on my hard drive... and Michigan J Frog tattooed on my

chest... )

> I hope Reece has a better week next week.

I think he's just on overload. He should start doing a bit better

soon. This morning, he watched some Sponge Bob and laughed. They

started the school year without his aide. So they just stuck him in

regular 2nd grade like an NT kid. His sped teacher tried to give him

breaks but she can only do so much by herself. At long last, 2 weeks

done so far, they've gotten him an aide and she will start with him

Monday. whew! I was actually going to go in and do the afternoons

if they hadn't gotten it done.

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

This morning, he watched some Sponge Bob and laughed.<<

YAY!! (I love SpongeBob too... LOL)

Oh thank GOD he is getting some help now- or should I say thank MOM... ya

know, God trusts us an AWFUL lot sometimes.

Now relax... you've certainly EARNED it. (maybe watch some toons yourself!)

Love

Tammy