Guest guest Posted January 9, 2001 Report Share Posted January 9, 2001 wrote: Ways to assess individual protein requirements. First, you need to know your lean body mass: in other words, weight minus %body fat, as estimated using an impedance scale like a Tanita, or a calculator such as the one available at www.drsears.com, neither being particularly precise. After that, it's anyone's guess, though current research as mentioned in Rae's Zone Albatross and recent postings suggests more protein is better, up to a point, of course. That point is far higher than most people realize though, ranging in the 100s of grams per day for the average individual before nitrogen clearance becomes an issue. Remember, any extra protein in the body is catabolized for its carbon skeletons, then converted to glucose in the liver and burned for energy. Ca would have to be adjusted upward as protein intake is increased, though be aware that lycine (an amino acid found at higher levels in animal protein than in plant protein) is necessary for bone formation. As we all know, individuals vary, and what PCF % works for one may not work as well for another. I follow percentages that approximate the zone, though not the three meals/two snacks per day eating schedule. I'd be interested to know if your nails, hair, muscle strength and such have changed significantly since starting CR, or since shifting your diet to your present choices. And if you have any ideas on estimating protein requirements, I'd be interested in that, too. Regards, Chriss : I have been consuming about 50 g of protein per day since 1993 when I dropped dairy products. This caused some good and bad changes for me. The good: my sinus allergies almost competely cleared up; this was wonderful. The bad: my intestines began producing a lot of gas and my fingernails and toenails began to crack and break much more than ever before (which was rare). The nail problems cleared up when I added some nuts to my diet and the gas cleared up in about a year: I guess dropping dairy upset the flora and fauna in my digestive tract. I have only been practicing CR for about 4 months (1800 cal/day). My weight has gone from 151 to 144 and now back to 145 with the addition of some chocolate and cookies from the holidays. Since reading in the CR lists of protein problems with a low calorie diet I have increased my protein to 60 g per day. I am very impressed with the healing effects of the Ornish and Biosphere diet (15% protein) so I am reluctant to raise protein anymore without clear signs that I need to. So far my nails are fine and my strength is still slowly growing. I wonder if anyone has tried measuring the nitrogen in their urine to see if they are in nitrogen balance ( a standard test for protein adequacy)? S Pollock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 JW wrote: Something in beans and meats raises my BP. I don't have any idea what it is, but the effect is a greater sodium level than indicated in the sr13 tables. Folate does not alter the effect. Soaking, rinsing beans does not have any effect. I notice also extra stiffness from eating beans and meats. So I adapted to ffmilk and maybe eggwh. Lentils don't seem to be all that bad.Could it be the chemical in beans that mother nature put there to protect the bean is retained by cattle/fowl in the meat? Regards. JW, Have you considered fresh beans? I have been eating fresh frozen lima and soybeans and they appear to have a much lighter effect on digestion. I am also curious if, in their fresh state, their phytates block a smaller % of nutrients. Do you know anything about this? S Pollock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 No, I don't know. I would agree that fresh beans, like early enough you could eat the hulls, are easier on the gut. I've gotten fresh pintos picked early and apparently the protease inhibitor isn't fully developed yet, but those are hard to get. Green beans, eg, do not give me the problem,at least not to the extent I noticed it and I'm sure I would have noticed. I just haven't tested them fully. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: S. Pollock <ds.pollock@...> < egroups> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Protein > JW wrote: > Something in beans and meats raises my BP. I don't have any idea what it is, > but the effect is a greater sodium level than indicated in the sr13 tables. > Folate does not alter the effect. Soaking, rinsing beans does not have any > effect. I notice also extra stiffness from eating beans and meats. So I > adapted to ffmilk and maybe eggwh. Lentils don't seem to be all that > bad.Could it be the chemical in beans that mother nature put there to > protect the bean is retained by cattle/fowl in the meat? > > Regards. > > JW, > Have you considered fresh beans? I have been eating fresh frozen lima > and soybeans and they appear to have a much lighter effect on digestion. I > am also curious if, in their fresh state, their phytates block a smaller % > of nutrients. Do you know anything about this? > S Pollock > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 >Avoiding osteo is a worthy goal, but I'm skeptical of cutting/eliminating >anything as basic as protein from the diet. Repeat after me: " balance and >moderation, balance and moderation, ... " ;-) > > Exactly, balance/moderation is key. Who said anything about eliminating? Just trying to " balance " . Scaling back a bit on protein from animal sources. Who could argue with the Biospherians or theOkinawans, both of which have/had excellent bone health? Who can know what those eliminating grains/fruits/whatever from their diets are missing that we haven't discovered in those foods yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: " T. Francesca Skelton " <fskelton@...> < > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [ ] Re: protein > Who can know what those eliminating > grains/fruits/whatever from their diets are missing that we haven't > discovered in those foods yet? Agreed. The goal must be " broad spectrum " especially as regards anything plant-based. I also include meat (+ dairy & eggs) in that, as we simply can't be sure what we might miss. But the meat intake needs to be greatly moderated from our typical western diet. It seems the rule of thumb I'm following is: meat, grains, nuts - consume regularly but in restricted amounts; fruits & veggies - the more the merrier. Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Amy, I read your post about the Lactulose. I just picked up a RX for the new Kristalose that Patty suggested. Boy is this stuff expensive. It is on the 3rd level of my co-pay. $50.00 for a months supply. I hope it is worth it. I will try it this weekend. Hope everyone is out of the house and the dog's not in the way of the bathroom. Wish me luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 > The 100% improvement using cold pressed whey for prostate cancer is > impressive! Do you remember who ran this study and whether anyone has > attempted to duplicate the study?? Here it is: Whey Protein Concentrate (WPC) and Glutathione Modulation in Cancer Treatment (Published in Nov/Dec 2000 edition of Anticancer Research International Journal of Cancer Research and Treatment, Clinical Studies section) (PDF) As I told Dottie privately when I sent the link, in the document, several studies were duplicated for different cancers. > Also, have you compared cold > pressed whey to the powdered whey? Dottie Cold-processed whey is cold-extracted, then powdered. Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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