Re: Yeast after Diflucan...help!

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> My son was on diflucan for about 2 weeks (supposed to be 4) but the

2nd week his bowel movements were brown water and he was obviously in

a lot of discomfort and very pale and lethargic.

Brown water for my son means bacteria.

Did you have liver function testing on your child before starting

Diflucan? It is hard on the liver.

He also might not have tolerated the Diflucan or one of the additives.

>>But now that he feels better his behaviour is off the wall!!

Inappropriate giggling, lots of screaming, hyper, and an even greater

need to be in control. Worse off than before the diflucan. Can this

still be die-off 5 days after stopping the medicine? Or have the

yeast come back stronger than before since we didn't finish the

course?

I would guess the yeast is back.

>> If I want to treat his yeast less dramatically, can I use NF

with GSE if he's a +3 sensitive to grapefruit?

For some kids this would be okay, for others no. You can try oil of

oregano instead of GSE, if you want.

Dana

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Thanks for the reply Dana.

>

> Did you have liver function testing on your child before starting

> Diflucan? It is hard on the liver.

We did bloodwork before and after the 2 weeks and his liver is fine.

I'd been supplementing with milk thistle already.

>

> He also might not have tolerated the Diflucan or one of the

additives.

Good point.

> >> If I want to treat his yeast less dramatically, can I use NF

> with GSE if he's a +3 sensitive to grapefruit?

>

>

> For some kids this would be okay, for others no. You can try oil

of

> oregano instead of GSE, if you want.

Do you have a brand and dosage suggestion? Jack weighs 40 pounds. I

have some oil of oregano but I heard emulsified is a good source.

Thanks, Amy

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The one thing that makes me wonder about Diflucan and the way Docs prescribe the

is this. When we (meaning us ladies) get a yeast infection, the doc prescribes,

one or two. The diflucan is supposed to stay in our system for 7 days, killing

out the yeast. So how long is it staying in a kid's system when they are getting

one a day for two weeks, or two months? Also, does diflucan kill 'good' bacteria

along with the bad?

Do you have your child on probiotics?

Yeast after Diflucan...help!

My son was on diflucan for about 2 weeks (supposed to be 4) but the 2nd week

his bowel movements were brown water and he was obviously in a lot of discomfort

and very pale and lethargic. We stopped the diflucan and now, 5 days later he

finally has decent BMs again (not perfect). We are on ZP, NF, and AFP, and

various other supplements of course. But now that he feels better his behaviour

is off the wall!! Inappropriate giggling, lots of screaming, hyper, and an even

greater need to be in control. Worse off than before the diflucan. Can this

still be die-off 5 days after stopping the medicine? Or have the yeast come

back stronger than before since we didn't finish the course? If I want to treat

his yeast less dramatically, can I use NF with GSE if he's a +3 sensitive to

grapefruit? It's scary to see his behaviour worsen when you try a new

medication. Thanks in advance for any help. Amy (mom to Cal, 6, NT and Jack,

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My opinion the yeast is back, and for us obsessive compulsiveness means viral or

bacterial infection. I've heard that Oil of Oregano is also good, as an

alternative to GSE, but I've not tried it myself. Good luck to you, we also

stopped an antifungal when we realized it was causing more problems than

solving, ours was Nizoral. Some nasty stuff, I'm glad we stopped it. We've seen

great things with GSE, but only because the No Fenol mediates the phenol

problem for our son. Good luck to you.

Yeast after Diflucan...help!

My son was on diflucan for about 2 weeks (supposed to be 4) but the 2nd week

his bowel movements were brown water and he was obviously in a lot of discomfort

and very pale and lethargic. We stopped the diflucan and now, 5 days later he

finally has decent BMs again (not perfect). We are on ZP, NF, and AFP, and

various other supplements of course. But now that he feels better his behaviour

is off the wall!! Inappropriate giggling, lots of screaming, hyper, and an even

greater need to be in control. Worse off than before the diflucan. Can this

still be die-off 5 days after stopping the medicine? Or have the yeast come

back stronger than before since we didn't finish the course? If I want to treat

his yeast less dramatically, can I use NF with GSE if he's a +3 sensitive to

grapefruit? It's scary to see his behaviour worsen when you try a new

medication. Thanks in advance for any help. Amy (mom to Cal, 6, NT ! and

Jack, 4, ASD)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

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Hi Amy,

Yeast is no fun. We've fought it many times too. I've had the best luck

with getting the yeast gone AND keeping him healthy in the meantime when I

rotated several natural antifungals, 4 days each, one at a time. The idea

is to knock the yeast off balance and not continue any single thing long

enough for the yeast to adapt to it and get resistant. The ones I've used

are GSE, Uva Ursi, Biocidin (by Biobotanical Research) and SF722 by

Thorne. I've also used Aqua Flora, which is a homeopathic that's supposed

to help, and Candex, which is an enzyme formula which eats the yeast cell

wall. I think these are all good tools to look into, but with anything

that's directly attacking the yeast, such as the first 4 I mention above,

it's important to cycle them and not do any single one for longer than 4-7

days at a time. Oh, here's a good website with lots more info on this kind

of approach: www.modernherbalist.com.

Good luck!

Terri

At 10:09 PM 10/15/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>My opinion the yeast is back, and for us obsessive compulsiveness means

>viral or bacterial infection. I've heard that Oil of Oregano is also good,

>as an alternative to GSE, but I've not tried it myself. Good luck to you,

>we also stopped an antifungal when we realized it was causing more

>problems than solving, ours was Nizoral. Some nasty stuff, I'm glad we

>stopped it. We've seen great things with GSE, but only because the No

>Fenol mediates the phenol problem for our son. Good luck to you.

> Yeast after Diflucan...help!

>

>

> My son was on diflucan for about 2 weeks (supposed to be 4) but the 2nd

> week his bowel movements were brown water and he was obviously in a lot

> of discomfort and very pale and lethargic. We stopped the diflucan and

> now, 5 days later he finally has decent BMs again (not perfect). We are

> on ZP, NF, and AFP, and various other supplements of course. But now

> that he feels better his behaviour is off the wall!! Inappropriate

> giggling, lots of screaming, hyper, and an even greater need to be in

> control. Worse off than before the diflucan. Can this still be die-off

> 5 days after stopping the medicine? Or have the yeast come back stronger

> than before since we didn't finish the course? If I want to treat his

> yeast less dramatically, can I use NF with GSE if he's a +3 sensitive to

> grapefruit? It's scary to see his behaviour worsen when you try a new

> medication. Thanks in advance for any help. Amy (mom to Cal, 6, NT !

> and Jack, 4, ASD)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :

> http://explorer.msn.com

>

>

>

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Amy, You did the right thing by stopping- ( I did - but than

started again) I had the same thoughts about safty and the liver

ect. But when it came down to it you have to get the yeast under

control- This is one of the best lessons you will have- I can see

my child- and I think I should do this or this or this for him or

her.

One other lesson is that a ten day treatment of what ever is not

usually the answer with Autism-( it is hard to get over this) as a

matter of fact every time parent and doctors get one thing under

control- something else pops up- this cycle does end I think when

your child is all better- I am still searching for speech for my

son.

I would remove all colored food from your son diet until this yeast

thing is under control- with my son it was very hard to tell the

difference between the yeast reaction and the reaction to the color

red and blue which is every where.

To get some ideas about treatment that you will be dealing with in

the future read and print the paper on line at The Children's

Biomedical Center of Utah inc. called " Understanding Autism " by

Jepson MD. This paper is parent friendly- I would try to

everything in this paper- my son had problems with each of the item

in Jepson's paper and 4 more to date:( Thyroid, pH ect.) In this

paper you will notice that the Metallothionein is the cause or what

seperated our kids from kids that are still normal--- If I had such

a young child as yours I would look into the Pfeiffer Treatment

Center ( www. hriptc.org) They are holding the hands of many parent

but remember correcting this many not be the only piece of the

puzzle that is your childs Autism- My 2 cents Ann

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Hello again Amy, Here is something about the MT

: Metallothionein Deficiency: J.

Walsh Ph.D. Pfeiffer Treatment Center Naperville, Illinois.

(www.hriptc.org) Walsh will send info to your doctor on this if you

can get your doctor intrested. He has come up with a protocal and

Metallothionein Promotion or MT-promotion Therapy. MT deficiency

consistent with classic autism symptoms. Human Metallothionein is

short linear arrays of sixty-one to sixty-eight amino acids: lack is

induced by absence of Cu, Zn regulation in blood,toxic metals,

physical trauma, and emotional strees.

the MT family: MT1 and MT2 are present in all cells throughout the

brain and periphery. MT3 is a neuronal growth - inhibition factor

found primarily in the brain. MT4 is found in the epitelia of the

upper GI track.

Primary Objective: Enhanced devalopment of new brain cells and

synaptic connections to enable advances is cognition, socialization

and speech. Secondary Objectives: Elimination of toxic metals and

excess Cu; improveed immune function; healing of GI tract; reduced

food sensitivities.

MT promotion Protocal:

Aggressive Zinc Loading( typically 3mg/kg daily peroid of 6 -8 weeks)

nutrients MG,MN,B-6,C,E,P5P( P5P is pyridoxal-5-phosphate)

MTP formulation with continued zinc therapy 3 or 4 days than off

3or4 to tolerance to everyday use:

Metallothionein Promotion Formulation: nutrients which enhance

induction, activation and the exchange of MT... Zinc

Picolinate,p5p,Magnesium gluconate,Magnesium Ascorbate,Pyridoxine

Hydrochloride, Glutathione,Selenium,vitamins C & E Amino acids of

Metallothionein... Serine, lysine, alanine, Valine, Glycine,

Threonine, Proline, Aspartic acid, Isoleucine, Asparagine, glutamic

acid, methionine, and glutamine.

Large amounts of Zn required initial therapy- 7 Zn atoms needed for

each MT molecule formed-- 22 % report initial sensitivity to MT

promotion - 87% reported overall improvement and greatest advances

achieved in cogition, socialization and speech. Well I hope you

will use some of this info. My 2 cents Ann

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> > For some kids this would be okay, for others no. You can try oil

> of

> > oregano instead of GSE, if you want.

>

> Do you have a brand and dosage suggestion? Jack weighs 40 pounds.

I

> have some oil of oregano but I heard emulsified is a good source.

I have never used oil of oregano, I have just read some really good

stories from other parents. Hopefully someone who uses it can give

you some good info.

Good luck.

Dana