Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Happy New Year to all! We just got back from a few days in Canada, and I dropped the enzymes for the boys during the trip.I had been suspecting problems with the enzymes, so thought this would be a good trial. Our little Wyatt (29 months)had less rashes and has pretty much stopped complaining that his " tomach hurts " 3-4 times a day. For whatever reasons I don't think he is tolerating them well. My 4 YO old Zach also hasn't gotten the pink flushing around his mouth and cheeks which sometimes followed enzymes, and which was painful to the touch for him. I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem to cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No-Fenol or AFP Peptizide, but I also don't feel that these ones are as important for what my kids need. We are gluten free (my kids couldn't tolerate gluten even with enzymes), and seem to do OK with dairy (cultured dairy and cheese - too much milk in a glass seems to cause problems). We keep fruit fairly limited anyway. It seems like enzymes are a really important part of healing the gut/dealing with digestion. Any thoughts....???? Best, Miti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 > I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no > Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem to > cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No-Fenol > or AFP Peptizide, Miti, I wish I could help more, but all I can offer is that my son also can't seem to tolerate a carb enzyme. He had a terrible behavioral reaction to Zyme Prime, and months later, when we tried Carbo, he didn't tolerate it well enough to make up for the *slight* improvements we may have seen. He does great on AFP Pep, and we haven't tried No-Fenol yet. I just don't know what the problem is with the carb enzymes. I too wish I could figure it out. That Pep + Zyme seems like such a great combination for so many kids... Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 In a message dated 1/11/04 6:05:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmandmb@... writes: > In the meantime I am looking for a good raw food cookbook, if anyone > has any suggestions? > > Miti > Miti, The problem with cooking raw foods is that you usually kill the enzymes. The enzymes in a food are enough to help digest that food and that food alone. To my understanding, there are no enzymes left over to help with other conditions in the body. There is a temperature over which the enzymes in foods are killed. They are also killed with pasteurization, radiation, etc. Dr. Howell wrote a book (can't remember the title but I know referenced it in her book) that explains about enzymes. I read it years ago and remember it is very good. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Miti, First, I wonder if your children have Celiac. The enzymes aren't supposed to help with Celiac. Secondly, it seems as though its the broad spectrum enzymes that are problematic. The No-Fenol and AFP peptizide are the more specific. There are a lot of broad spectrum enzymes on the market for general digestion issues. If you feel you need these, it may just be an issue of trial and error. We used O- zyme by Garden of Life for a while. Connie > Happy New Year to all! > We just got back from a few days in Canada, and I dropped the > enzymes for the boys during the trip.I had been suspecting problems > with the enzymes, so thought this would be a good trial. Our little > Wyatt (29 months)had less rashes and has pretty much stopped > complaining that his " tomach hurts " 3-4 times a day. For whatever > reasons I don't think he is tolerating them well. My 4 YO old Zach > also hasn't gotten the pink flushing around his mouth and cheeks > which sometimes followed enzymes, and which was painful to the touch > for him. > > I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no > Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem to > cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No-Fenol > or AFP Peptizide, but I also don't feel that these ones are as > important for what my kids need. We are gluten free (my kids > couldn't tolerate gluten even with enzymes), and seem to do OK with > dairy (cultured dairy and cheese - too much milk in a glass seems to > cause problems). We keep fruit fairly limited anyway. > > It seems like enzymes are a really important part of healing the > gut/dealing with digestion. Any thoughts....???? > > Best, > Miti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 Connie, Yes, I think Celiac is a real possibility, although I know there are some thoughts by certain groups that celiac is more of a leaky gut issue. I thought that enzymes won't help with gluten for celiacs, but shouldn't they still help for other foods? I will check out the Garden of life enzymes - did you have better success with these as opposed to other enzymes? I also talked to a mom recently with a child with gastritis (inflammation of the stomach lining) and her child couldn't tolerate enzymes. In fact some enzymes formulations are contraindicated with gastritis. It might be that Wyatt has somrthing like this going on. We just sent off a saliva and stool culture kit to screen his GI health, yeast, bacteria and parasites. In the meantime I am looking for a good raw food cookbook, if anyone has any suggestions? Miti > > Happy New Year to all! > > We just got back from a few days in Canada, and I dropped the > > enzymes for the boys during the trip.I had been suspecting problems > > with the enzymes, so thought this would be a good trial. Our little > > Wyatt (29 months)had less rashes and has pretty much stopped > > complaining that his " tomach hurts " 3-4 times a day. For whatever > > reasons I don't think he is tolerating them well. My 4 YO old Zach > > also hasn't gotten the pink flushing around his mouth and cheeks > > which sometimes followed enzymes, and which was painful to the > touch > > for him. > > > > I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no > > Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem to > > cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No- Fenol > > or AFP Peptizide, but I also don't feel that these ones are as > > important for what my kids need. We are gluten free (my kids > > couldn't tolerate gluten even with enzymes), and seem to do OK with > > dairy (cultured dairy and cheese - too much milk in a glass seems > to > > cause problems). We keep fruit fairly limited anyway. > > > > It seems like enzymes are a really important part of healing the > > gut/dealing with digestion. Any thoughts....???? > > > > Best, > > Miti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 yep forget the raw food cookbook and look at scd. enzymes are not 100% celaic is not a real conditon, rather a form of damage from gut bacteria yeast dysbosis. > > > Happy New Year to all! > > > We just got back from a few days in Canada, and I dropped the > > > enzymes for the boys during the trip.I had been suspecting > problems > > > with the enzymes, so thought this would be a good trial. Our > little > > > Wyatt (29 months)had less rashes and has pretty much stopped > > > complaining that his " tomach hurts " 3-4 times a day. For > whatever > > > reasons I don't think he is tolerating them well. My 4 YO old > Zach > > > also hasn't gotten the pink flushing around his mouth and cheeks > > > which sometimes followed enzymes, and which was painful to the > > touch > > > for him. > > > > > > I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no > > > Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem > to > > > cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No- > Fenol > > > or AFP Peptizide, but I also don't feel that these ones are as > > > important for what my kids need. We are gluten free (my kids > > > couldn't tolerate gluten even with enzymes), and seem to do OK > with > > > dairy (cultured dairy and cheese - too much milk in a glass > seems > > to > > > cause problems). We keep fruit fairly limited anyway. > > > > > > It seems like enzymes are a really important part of healing the > > > gut/dealing with digestion. Any thoughts....???? > > > > > > Best, > > > Miti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 I guess I should rephrase that as a good raw food " recipe " book, as I would like to try to bring in the enzymes from raw foods since we can't do the capsules. Miti > In a message dated 1/11/04 6:05:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jmandmb@y... writes: > > > In the meantime I am looking for a good raw food cookbook, if anyone > > has any suggestions? > > > > Miti > > > > Miti, > > The problem with cooking raw foods is that you usually kill the enzymes. The > enzymes in a food are enough to help digest that food and that food alone. To > my understanding, there are no enzymes left over to help with other conditions > in the body. > > There is a temperature over which the enzymes in foods are killed. They are > also killed with pasteurization, radiation, etc. > > Dr. Howell wrote a book (can't remember the title but I know referenced > it in her book) that explains about enzymes. I read it years ago and remember > it is very good. > > Robin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Miti, My LIMITED understanding of Celiac is that IT can also CAUSE leaky gut. Not the other way around. I don't think we got better or worse effect from Ozyme. We switched because I wanted ones formulated specifically for children with developmental issues--just in case. I guess you need to know exactly what foods are problematic and what enzymes work for each. The problem food could have many substances, only one of which could be the actual problem for your child. In fact, the No-Fenol doesn't break down what was originally thought to be the problem. It disconnects it in some way that makes in less problematic. Hows that for laymen's terms;)? There are also other things that can be helpful with gut healing. We tried Ojibwa tea which seemed to help my daughter with constipation, though this came back with enzyme use. The tea helped my son temporarily with loose stools, but then they came back. Connie > > > Happy New Year to all! > > > We just got back from a few days in Canada, and I dropped the > > > enzymes for the boys during the trip.I had been suspecting > problems > > > with the enzymes, so thought this would be a good trial. Our > little > > > Wyatt (29 months)had less rashes and has pretty much stopped > > > complaining that his " tomach hurts " 3-4 times a day. For > whatever > > > reasons I don't think he is tolerating them well. My 4 YO old > Zach > > > also hasn't gotten the pink flushing around his mouth and cheeks > > > which sometimes followed enzymes, and which was painful to the > > touch > > > for him. > > > > > > I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no > > > Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem > to > > > cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No- > Fenol > > > or AFP Peptizide, but I also don't feel that these ones are as > > > important for what my kids need. We are gluten free (my kids > > > couldn't tolerate gluten even with enzymes), and seem to do OK > with > > > dairy (cultured dairy and cheese - too much milk in a glass > seems > > to > > > cause problems). We keep fruit fairly limited anyway. > > > > > > It seems like enzymes are a really important part of healing the > > > gut/dealing with digestion. Any thoughts....???? > > > > > > Best, > > > Miti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 if you are not going to read other posts on the topic then what you say is going to look a little vacant. > > > > Happy New Year to all! > > > > We just got back from a few days in Canada, and I dropped the > > > > enzymes for the boys during the trip.I had been suspecting > > problems > > > > with the enzymes, so thought this would be a good trial. Our > > little > > > > Wyatt (29 months)had less rashes and has pretty much stopped > > > > complaining that his " tomach hurts " 3-4 times a day. For > > whatever > > > > reasons I don't think he is tolerating them well. My 4 YO old > > Zach > > > > also hasn't gotten the pink flushing around his mouth and > cheeks > > > > which sometimes followed enzymes, and which was painful to the > > > touch > > > > for him. > > > > > > > > I have tried Houstons Zime Prime, but also Similase (no > > > > Papein/Bromalein, purely plant based broad spectrum). Both seem > > to > > > > cause these problems. I don't think I noticed as much with No- > > Fenol > > > > or AFP Peptizide, but I also don't feel that these ones are as > > > > important for what my kids need. We are gluten free (my kids > > > > couldn't tolerate gluten even with enzymes), and seem to do OK > > with > > > > dairy (cultured dairy and cheese - too much milk in a glass > > seems > > > to > > > > cause problems). We keep fruit fairly limited anyway. > > > > > > > > It seems like enzymes are a really important part of healing > the > > > > gut/dealing with digestion. Any thoughts....???? > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Miti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 > > I have tried enzymes which doc gave me to better digestion of > carbohydrates but It get bloated and have strong pain stl\mack. I > tried other types of enzymes wuth the same result. Do you know why it could happen? I believe that I can`t tolerate it or my stomack is > imflamed too badly. ==>Liz, the enzymes I recommend are Betaine Hydrocholoric Acid with Pepsin and I believe they will do the best job for you. You can also eat 1-2 tablespoons of sauerkraut whenever you get a twing of pain in your stomach. Ensure you are eating low carb veggies as listed in my article and on the Candida Diet Food List, and not eating any grains, seeds, nuts, beans, legumes, processed foods, sugars, fruits (except lemons & limes), etc., etc. etc. If you are eating veggies low in carbs & sugars, and that you are consuming plenty of good fats and proteins. Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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