Re: its dissappointing the way parents ignore basics and expect information on a pla

[Guest guest]

>>very simple things ignored like enzymes in capsules are a waste of

time

I don't think many of us are ignoring you, . I think for some of us

this is all quite overwhelming - nowhere else I've been looks into things as

deeply as this list does and a lot of posts here go over our heads for quite

a while, while we slowly catch up, and it can be slow because sometimes we

are so stressed with what is going on that we may not take in much but you

give valuable input to this list and are certainly not ignored.

Also, any new people onlist won't have heard it before and so there will

always be people asking these things because more people are learning about

enzymes and trying them all the time.

I think for myself, I do what I can cope with at the time.I may be told of

other things but I can only cope with so much at any one time so some things

have to wait until I can work them in and cope with the extra.

I know I'm not the only person who values your input on here.

I'm glad you had a nice break.

regards

Julea )

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[Guest guest]

in reality any 'progress' has some very rough edges and i don't think

people like the rough turmoil of having viewpoints and ideas turned

upside down all the time.

however defeat to victory to defeat, that cycle progresses like

nothing else

course you have to be on the edge to do that.

> >>very simple things ignored like enzymes in capsules are a waste of

> time

>

> I don't think many of us are ignoring you, . I think for some

of us

> this is all quite overwhelming - nowhere else

[Guest guest]

Hi , why do you say enzymes in capsules are a waste of time..I

must be missing something there..

Thanks

> > >>very simple things ignored like enzymes in capsules are a waste

of

> > time

> >

> > I don't think many of us are ignoring you, . I think for

some

> of us

> > this is all quite overwhelming - nowhere else

[Guest guest]

My highly sensitive son as well as my highly sensitive self have

always been fine taking capsules - and this is without the 20-30

minutes wait. That time period came about because some other people

DID find it made a huge difference - the difference in success and

failure. Then a few other found they only saw positive results by

taking the enzymes out of the capsule. So there is not any one way

only to do this, just try different ways until you find the best for

you. Taking them out of capsule ensures the enzymes are in contact

with the food, and that might be best for some.

.

[Guest guest]

well at least you ask instead of being busy telling me how wrong i am.

ignore the rabble.

the problem is that enzymes are themselves protiens.

so when you get the enzymes wet together if there are proteases in the

enzyme which there are in zyme and pep but not no fenol then they

will work on themselves.

so you can take no fenol in a capsule no problem(it also has

cellulases which will work on the capsule itself)

but enzymes with proteases are very sensitive to being contained in

the presence of moisture which cellulose capsules being slow to

dissolve do. gelatin is better but still not perfect.

what is perfect is to sprinkle the enzyems on the food it is designed

for as it is being eaten cuase then the enzymes bed into the food and

are protected as they go inot the stomach.

if you do this you will get very effcient enzyme function which was

why i raised the question of how where the enzymes being given with

that mom who had used pep and zyme without nay results.

this is not theoredical but my and others experience.

that one can have any other opinion can only be from not using the

enzymes themsleves or you would know the difference. you can

practically replace stomach digestion with enzymes used this way.

this little gem btw took me a while to pick up in earlier days and

some saying cpasules are ok now where posting about how necessary it

was to sprinkle but memeories are short these days apparently.

this is also the reason no fenol is best taken maybe half an hour

after a meal, so it is not dissolved by pep and zyme or kirkmans

complete if you are using that.

> > > >>very simple things ignored like enzymes in capsules are a

waste

> of

> > > time

> > >

> > > I don't think many of us are ignoring you, . I think for

> some

> > of us

> > > this is all quite overwhelming - nowhere else

[Guest guest]

please don't interpret this as arguing because I'm not... I'm just

reading something in your message that has me a bit confused. You

said that when the enzymes get wet, then they start working on

themselves, however, isn't there moisture on most food surfaces?

Even a hot temperature would imply some degree of steam is going on.

So are you only sprinkling enzymes on totally dry, room temperature

foods? Otherwise, I would think that if sprinkled on hot/moist

foods, then the enzymes are wet and with kids and the way they

sometimes are so pokey with eating, it could be at least fifteen

minutes into the meal before most of the food is eaten, giving plenty

of time for the enzymes to be working " on themselves " ... or is that

the whole idea-- that you want the food to be hot/moist to get the

enzymes activated? I'm confused. You know more about enzymes than I

do--can you explain this further?

W

> > so when you get the enzymes wet together if there are proteases

in the

> enzyme which there are in zyme and pep but not no fenol then they

> will work on themselves.

>

> so you can take no fenol in a capsule no problem(it also has

> cellulases which will work on the capsule itself)

>

> but enzymes with proteases are very sensitive to being contained in

> the presence of moisture which cellulose capsules being slow to

> dissolve do. gelatin is better but still not perfect.

>

> what is perfect is to sprinkle the enzyems on the food it is

designed

> for as it is being eaten cuase then the enzymes bed into the food

and

> are protected as they go inot the stomach.

>

> if you do this you will get very effcient enzyme function which was

> why i raised the question of how where the enzymes being given with

> that mom who had used pep and zyme without nay results.

>

[Guest guest]

in a capsule they are in a compact compressed mass.

so its a question of degree

even with sprinkling you can never get entirely away from the problem

but its a lot less and with a bit of art you can get quite good

spacing.

see the enzymes are working on food in preference to 'working on

themselves', they have a coiled structure and will take to other

protein surfaces before themselves. if they are packed together they

have no option but to work on themsleves.

mostly moist food. doesn't want to be too hot.

if the food is left to long it gets too mushy from the enzymes, in

fact the food might have to be eaten quite soon from putting the

enzymes on which is proably why its better for the kids to sprinkle

if they can manage it.

> > > so when you get the enzymes wet together if there are proteases

> in the

> > enzyme which there are in zyme and pep but not no fenol then they

> > will work on themselves.

> >

> > so you can take no fenol in a capsule no problem(it also has

> > cellulases which will work on the capsule itself)

> >

> > but enzymes with proteases are very sensitive to being contained

in

> > the presence of moisture which cellulose capsules being slow to

> > dissolve do. gelatin is better but still not perfect.

> >

> > what is perfect is to sprinkle the enzyems on the food it is

> designed

> > for as it is being eaten cuase then the enzymes bed into the food

> and

> > are protected as they go inot the stomach.

> >

> > if you do this you will get very effcient enzyme function which

was

> > why i raised the question of how where the enzymes being given

with

> > that mom who had used pep and zyme without nay results.

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm one of the newly arrived so have patience with me. I'm reading

this thread trying to understand -- is the point to have the food be

more highly digestible so person has easier time getting nutrition?

or do the enzymes do other thing in the body and food is the vehicle

to get them there? or something else entirely?

Thanks.

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