Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 In a message dated 9/29/03 7:32:19 AM, lcolnes@... writes: << Has anyone had any success with something that I haven't tried? >> Well....my 5 yo does this too. He wakes up in the middle of the night and turns on all (and I mean *all) the lights, sometimes wanders around the house until dh or I wakes up. The only thing that works here is for one of us to sleep with him. As far as I can tell, his sleep problems are related to anxiety, and the comfort of having one of his parents in bed with him lets him go back to sleep when he wakes during the night. Not an ideal solution by any means, but none of us can function without sleep, so I'm willing to do anything to get it. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 , Have you tried Gaba or Valerian? Some parents have had success with these supplements. I tried both and Valerian helps a little. Our nutritionist finally gave my grandson bugleweed. He takes three drops at bedtime. I guess what I am trying to say is there are other supplements you may want to research and try. I would try Gaba Plus from Kirkman's first. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Magnesium comes to mind, either oral or an epsom salts bath at bedtime. My " NT " daughter had all kinds of problems this time of year because of the decrease in daylight. Every year, she got a small 0.3mg dose of melatonin 1/2 hhr before bed for just a few days, and it would straighten out her sleep cycle. Hope this Helps JEan OT: the sleep thing > I am completely at the end of my rope and don't know what to do anymore. The > sleep issue has become a real problem once again. Sammy is waking up about 6 > hours after he falls asleep, stays up for about two hours (or never goes > back to sleep) and as a result is very cranky at school and not able to > attend to his work. He goes to bed without any problems but cannot seems to > stay asleep. > > We have tried EVERYTHING: strict bedtime routines, going to be later, going > to bed earlier, 5-HTP, melatonin, feeding him before bed, not feeding him > before bed, giving him milk at bed, not giving milk at bed, going in the > room immediately to get him back to sleep, not going in at all so as not to > reinforce this behavior. This is taking its toll on the entire family and > straining all relationships. Has anyone had any success with something that > I haven't tried? Two weeks ago he slept from 9pm-6am for a week. It was > awesome. > > I am not contemplating going to the sleep clinic at CHOP (Children's > Hospital of Philadelphia) since that's where we live now but it seems to > drastic. Sammy won't even keep a band-aid on, how could they every hook him > up to wires. PLEASE HELP!!! > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 5htp is not tryptophan and tyrptophan really does help with sleep. i find very low dose lithium dose helpful to a hair test would be useful. niacin spares tryptophan seleniums esp methyslenocysteine can help as well another approach is for him to sleep in the middle of the day as well which is perhaps how things once were rather than put children through unaturally long waking schedules at school. long sleeping may in fact be a virus. > I am completely at the end of my rope and don't know what to do anymore. The > sleep issue has become a real problem once again. Sammy is waking up about 6 > hours after he falls asleep, stays up for about two hours (or never goes > back to sleep) and as a result is very cranky at school and not able to > attend to his work. He goes to bed without any problems but cannot seems to > stay asleep. > > We have tried EVERYTHING: strict bedtime routines, going to be later, going > to bed earlier, 5-HTP, melatonin, feeding him before bed, not feeding him > before bed, giving him milk at bed, not giving milk at bed, going in the > room immediately to get him back to sleep, not going in at all so as not to > reinforce this behavior. This is taking its toll on the entire family and > straining all relationships. Has anyone had any success with something that > I haven't tried? Two weeks ago he slept from 9pm-6am for a week. It was > awesome. > > I am not contemplating going to the sleep clinic at CHOP (Children's > Hospital of Philadelphia) since that's where we live now but it seems to > drastic. Sammy won't even keep a band-aid on, how could they every hook him > up to wires. PLEASE HELP!!! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 We also used magnesium with great success for my NT DD, and my PDD-NOS DS also sleeps much better. DD was getting up once or twice every night, and then waking very early and I could tell she was still tired but unable to sleep. She has been on magnesium citrate, 200 to 400mg per day, since March and her sleep continues to improve each month. Now she rarely wakes during the night, and always I have to wake her up for school because she is very sound asleep. She is 6yo, 45 pounds. Hope that helps, and you can get some rest. Pam in MN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 > I am completely at the end of my rope and don't know what to do anymore. The > sleep issue has become a real problem once again. Sammy is waking up about 6 > hours after he falls asleep, stays up for about two hours (or never goes > back to sleep) This was my son first with a phenol problem, then with yeast http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 My son started sleeping all night when we went GFCFSF and started doing the epsom salt baths at bedtime, he still sleeps using AFP Peptizyde and NoFenol and keeping away from artificial colors and preservatives (and still doing the epsom salt baths). He also started low dose of Tenex a few weeks ago which helps him sleep more soundly. He occasionally still has night waking when we eat at a restaurant (probably some additive in the food) or is extremely anxious about something. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 You mention alot of things you have tried...how long did you try each change? Are these all things you have tried recently or over time? I ask only because it was a long list and several of the trials you listed could in fact have disruppted his sleep. We go through this problem from time to time with our daughter, but it always goes back to her getting something she cannot tolerate (like a lollypop with dye or a new supplement) or she has yeast. Usually it will clear up on its own after a few restless night or after a couple doses of GSE. Someone else mentioned sleeping with their child helps and this is also something that helps us. My daughter likes my husband to cuddle with her and if he holds her tightly it seems to calm her. She often seeks him out on nights she cannot sleep to keep her company. Do you use magnesium? We used to give our daughter epsom salt baths, but a small dose of magnesium a day seems to give the same effect. Best of luck...I hope you get some rest soon. -- - In , " Colnes " <lcolnes@o...> wrote: > I am completely at the end of my rope and don't know what to do anymore. The > sleep issue has become a real problem once again. Sammy is waking up about 6 > hours after he falls asleep, stays up for about two hours (or never goes > back to sleep) and as a result is very cranky at school and not able to > attend to his work. He goes to bed without any problems but cannot seems to > stay asleep. > > We have tried EVERYTHING: strict bedtime routines, going to be later, going > to bed earlier, 5-HTP, melatonin, feeding him before bed, not feeding him > before bed, giving him milk at bed, not giving milk at bed, going in the > room immediately to get him back to sleep, not going in at all so as not to > reinforce this behavior. This is taking its toll on the entire family and > straining all relationships. Has anyone had any success with something that > I haven't tried? Two weeks ago he slept from 9pm-6am for a week. It was > awesome. > > I am not contemplating going to the sleep clinic at CHOP (Children's > Hospital of Philadelphia) since that's where we live now but it seems to > drastic. Sammy won't even keep a band-aid on, how could they every hook him > up to wires. PLEASE HELP!!! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 My son will wake up and stay awake as you describe if he eats something/takes a supplement that he does not tolerate. Apples used to do it to him, now that he is on enzymes, he is able to handle it. Also, for a while, I had to cut his taurine amount in half or he would wake up...I'm not sure how I figured it out, but keep looking...Is there something new that was added when the waking started again? OT: the sleep thing > I am completely at the end of my rope and don't know what to do anymore. The > sleep issue has become a real problem once again. Sammy is waking up about 6 > hours after he falls asleep, stays up for about two hours (or never goes > back to sleep) and as a result is very cranky at school and not able to > attend to his work. He goes to bed without any problems but cannot seems to > stay asleep. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Sorry if this has been suggested, I didn't have time to follow all the responses, but have you tried any of the OT remedies? I was just flipping through a catalogue that had a whole sleep aid section. There were super hard mattresses (to provide extra input), weighted blankets, etc. > I am completely at the end of my rope and don't know what to do anymore. The > sleep issue has become a real problem once again. Sammy is waking up about 6 > hours after he falls asleep, stays up for about two hours (or never goes > back to sleep) and as a result is very cranky at school and not able to > attend to his work. He goes to bed without any problems but cannot seems to > stay asleep. > > We have tried EVERYTHING: strict bedtime routines, going to be later, going > to bed earlier, 5-HTP, melatonin, feeding him before bed, not feeding him > before bed, giving him milk at bed, not giving milk at bed, going in the > room immediately to get him back to sleep, not going in at all so as not to > reinforce this behavior. This is taking its toll on the entire family and > straining all relationships. Has anyone had any success with something that > I haven't tried? Two weeks ago he slept from 9pm-6am for a week. It was > awesome. > > I am not contemplating going to the sleep clinic at CHOP (Children's > Hospital of Philadelphia) since that's where we live now but it seems to > drastic. Sammy won't even keep a band-aid on, how could they every hook him > up to wires. PLEASE HELP!!! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Remron sol tab seems to help my son go to sleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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