Re: Thanks every one but need further help!

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Hi Seema

> Thanks every one for your advice on constipation as i have started enzymes

> i

> am facing another problem, at the moment my son is v hyper and his stools

> has

> becomes v sticky and he is putting his hand there and smearing him self

> which

> he has never done before. Is it do with yeast?

>>> Been there, got the T-shirt etc For my son smearing is linking to

bacterial type gut bugs. The enzymes are likley to be changing the environment

for the little critters. The change in consitency will also be different for

your son, he may just be curious. We did the hyper bt too, that was yeast die

off. I thnk it is likely you could be seeing both here. Don;t panic, its a good

thing bt getting through it is tough.

I am giving AFP peptizyde and

> no fenol 1/3 of each with every meal together shall i give it separately

> or

> should ihave started with zyme prime first as it has lower protease though

> my

> son is gfcf,

>>Stick with what you are doing, maybe look at gradually increasing the Pep.

shall i introduce probiotics culturelle now

>>You could try adding some probiotics, CUlturelle do well for most people

though they make Sam consitpated, he was always a liquid stool type of guy

before enzymes. If you are in the UK, you can get them at the NUtricentre.com,

they

are listed with the Kirkman products. Another good probiotic sold in the UK

is BioKult, give them a ring, is very helpful the phone number is on the

web site www.bio-kult.com

or later also > says grape seed extract should be given too since ihave

> none shall i continue

> with enzymes! where do i order them?

>> was referring to GrapeFRUIT seed extract if she was talking about

yeast treatments. Thats the stuff we refer to on this list as GSE. I got mine

from here, again a UK supplier, its liquid, tastes very tart, if you get some,

post again about how to use it

http://www.vitalsupplements.co.uk/

Mandi-please help! and most important my

> son is hooked on sugar as i understand many of you have removed it from

> your

> children's diet. now is there any replacement for it?

>>>Removing sugar from my son gave us the biggest die off - it straves out

the yeast. Please don;t replace it with Aspartame (Nutrasweet), he just has to

learn to do without. Cut all you can, totally no sugar is VERY hard.

what is Pb8??

>>Not sure, I think its a probiotic

i think Dana > was referring to some parent is it to do with sugar?

>>>Sugar and carbohydrate foods which break down into sugar feed the yeast.

Cutting down or removing it will starve out the yeast and bugs

and what is lutein?

>>>Ask Dana, its a substance in coloured fruits and veg, I don;t know much

about it

does > scd conflicts with gfcf as cheese is allowed in it, but i thought

> cheese

> contains yeast and my son will ignore milk but will cry for cheese which

> makes

> me doubtful,

>>>I think cheese is high phenol

karen's book helped to understand the principle behind enzymes

>

> as it prepares you! please help me with sugar iam finding it very hard as my

>

> son loves cakes and cookies what am i going to do? Mandi since you say stool

>

> test aren't reliable then how do you know that your child has yeast parasite

> or

> bacteria problem?

>>>To start with I did tests, sent them to the USA

any symptoms? and how long the hyperness will last which iam

>

> presuming is withdrawal period.

>>>Symptoms is how I tell now, hyper, pingey behaviour, yeast = giggles,

almost drunk look, bacteria = aggression, eating paper, very smelly poops

Regarding constipation dana you are so right

> he takes eyeq which contains eve. prim. oil. which could be the problem? Is

>

> their any good replacement!

>>There isn;t really much Evening primrose in Eye Q. Eskimo 3 doesn;t have it

and is lemon flavour oil like Eye Q (Nutricentre again) or Coromega which is

orange flavoured sherbert type pudding texture, Nutricentre again under

Kirkman listings. Some have trouble with the flavours in that one, orange can be

tricky for some kids.

> thanks for taking time to read this!

>>>You are welcome, hope I haven;t confused you more

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

> Thanks every one for your advice on constipation as i have started enzymes i

> am facing another problem, at the moment my son is v hyper and his stools has

> becomes v sticky and he is putting his hand there and smearing him self which

> he has never done before. Is it do with yeast?

Possibly. Can be a few other things also.

I am giving AFP peptizyde and

> no fenol 1/3 of each with every meal together shall i give it separately or

> should ihave started with zyme prime first as it has lower protease though my

> son is gfcf,

Try adding Zyme Prime now. It might be that your child does not tolerate foods

that the other two enzymes are not addressing.

shall i introduce probiotics culturelle now or later also

> says grape seed extract should be given too since ihave none

GrapeFRUIT seed extract is good for yeast. Probiotics/Culturelle also good.

> son is hooked on sugar as i understand many of you have removed it from your

> children's diet. now is there any replacement for it?

Some people use Stevia or Xylitol [not sure I spelled that correctly].

>> what is Pb8??

I think it is a probiotic.

>>and what is lutein?

A pigment in foods, generally orange, red, and green foods. My son did not

tolerate lutein, even with enzymes, until well into ALA

chelation. Does your son have visual stims? That is one sign, altho not the

only one.

does

> scd conflicts with gfcf as cheese is allowed in it, but i thought cheese

> contains yeast and my son will ignore milk but will cry for cheese which makes

> me doubtful,

You can do SCD and cf together if you want. My son did not tolerate cheese

culture for quite a while, yours might be crying for the

culture.

> son loves cakes and cookies what am i going to do?

I used GSE plus No-Fenol enzyme and sugar *reduction* rather than *removal*.

This worked for my kids. Might not work for yours

tho.

Mandi since you say stool

> test aren't reliable then how do you know that your child has yeast parasite

or

> bacteria problem? any symptoms?

I list symptoms here

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

and how long the hyperness will last which iam

> presuming is withdrawal period.

It might be, so it would last on average about 3 weeks. If it is something

else, it will last until you address the other issue.

>> Regarding constipation dana you are so right

> he takes eyeq which contains eve. prim. oil. which could be the problem?

Yep, major nasty over here. I would remove it. I used flax/borage for a while.

CLO can also be good, depending on which EFAs he

needs.

Dana

[Guest guest]

PB8 is a probiotic supplement by Nutrition Now.

sb

>

> Thanks every one for your advice on constipation as i have started

enzymes i

> am facing another problem, at the moment my son is v hyper and his

stools has

> becomes v sticky and he is putting his hand there and smearing him

self which

> he has never done before. Is it do with yeast? I am giving AFP

peptizyde and

> no fenol 1/3 of each with every meal together shall i give it

separately or

> should ihave started with zyme prime first as it has lower

protease though my

> son is gfcf, shall i introduce probiotics culturelle now or later

also

> says grape seed extract should be given too since ihave none shall

i continue

> with enzymes! where do i order them? Mandi-please help! and most

important my

> son is hooked on sugar as i understand many of you have removed it

from your

> children's diet. now is there any replacement for it? what is

Pb8?? i think Dana

> was referring to some parent is it to do with sugar? and what is

lutein? does

> scd conflicts with gfcf as cheese is allowed in it, but i

thought cheese

> contains yeast and my son will ignore milk but will cry for cheese

which makes

> me doubtful, karen's book helped to understand the principle

behind enzymes

> as it prepares you! please help me with sugar iam finding it very

hard as my

> son loves cakes and cookies what am i going to do? Mandi since you

say stool

> test aren't reliable then how do you know that your child has

yeast parasite or

> bacteria problem? any symptoms? and how long the hyperness will

last which iam

> presuming is withdrawal period. Regarding constipation dana you

are so right

> he takes eyeq which contains eve. prim. oil. which could be the

problem? Is

> their any good replacement!

> thanks for taking time to read this!

> seema

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Mandi

yes, iam from UK, had hell of a year, wish I joined this list earlier. glad

you are so knowledgeable from uk contributing on this site that i can count on

you! well done mum hope i would ever be able to help somebody after you

retire .....well just joking don't go anywhere! like you said it is tough! and

we

need you!

>

> been there, got the T-shirt etc For my son smearing is linking to

> bacterial type gut bugs. The enzymes are likley to be changing the

> environment

> for the little critters. The change in consitency will also be different for

>

> your son, he may just be curious. We did the hyper bt too, that was yeast

> die

> off. I thnk it is likely you could be seeing both here. Don;t panic, its a

> good

> thing bt getting through it is tough.

>

can you please explain what do you mean by bacterial type gut bug and what

did you give for it? i know it is not curiosity as he removes it because its

not dropping itself..... sorry for going into details!

>

> >>You could try adding some probiotics, CUlturelle do well for most people

> though they make Sam consitpated, he was always a liquid stool type of guy

> before enzymes. If you are in the UK, you can get them at the

> NUtricentre.com, they

> are listed with the Kirkman products. Another good probiotic sold in the UK

> is BioKult, give them a ring, is very helpful the phone number is on

> the

> web site www.bio-kult.com

>

are you using bio-kult somebody told they didn't see any difference I will

come back

> to you on this as i am not clear what the person said? she used three!

>

> or later also > says grape seed extract should be given too since

> ihave

> > none shall i continue

> > with enzymes! where do i order them?

>

> >> was referring to GrapeFRUIT seed extract if she was talking about

> yeast treatments. Thats the stuff we refer to on this list as GSE. I got

> mine

> from here, again a UK supplier, its liquid, tastes very tart, if you get

> some,

> post again about how to use it

> http://www.vitalsupplements.co.uk/

>

> I certainly will!

> Mandi-please help! and most important my

> > son is hooked on sugar as i understand many of you have removed it from

> > your

> > children's diet. now is there any replacement for it?

>

> >>>Removing sugar from my son gave us the biggest die off - it starves out

> the yeast. Please don;t replace it with Aspartame (Nutrasweet), he just has

> to

> learn to do without. Cut all you can, totally no sugar is VERY hard.

>

>

>

> >>>Symptoms is how I tell now, hyper, pingey behaviour, yeast = giggles,

> almost drunk look, bacteria = aggression, eating paper, very smelly poops

>

> yes he has them all eating paper too! which i thought is zinc deficiency

>

>

> >>There isn;t really much Evening primrose in Eye Q. Eskimo 3 doesn;t have

> it

> and is lemon flavour oil like Eye Q (Nutricentre again) or Coromega which is

>

> orange flavoured sherbert type pudding texture, Nutricentre again under

> Kirkman listings. Some have trouble with the flavours in that one, orange

> can be

> tricky for some kids.

>

i have already tried coromega which he doesn't like haven't tried lemon

flavour Eye q he takes original though not v happy but drinks lots of water

after

it? what quantity of evening primrose affects?

> > thanks for taking time to read this!

>

> >>>You are welcome, hope I haven;t confused you more

>

no dear you havent confused you have helped ease my mind

thanks again!!

seema

> god! you wont believe it i was just making cod fish fingers from fresh cod

> fillet it had worm in it inthe body and live as this was pre cleaned skinned

> cod from sainsbury i can see part of the worm climbing up and done as other

> half was still inside the body!

is it usual? as we dont eat fish a lot except canned tuna i thought of

replacing it with fresh cod. every thing went into bin could be this worms in

fish

harming our children! or iam just panicking!

seema

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot dana!

>

> > becomes v sticky and he is putting his hand there and smearing him self

> which

> > he has never done before. Is it do with yeast?

>

>

> Possibly. Can be a few other things also.

>

can you please tell what other things?

> >>and what is lutein?

>

>

> A pigment in foods, generally orange, red, and green foods. My son did not

> tolerate lutein, even with enzymes, until well into ALA

> chelation. Does your son have visual stims? That is one sign, although not

> the only one.

he gets v hyper after orange strawberry etc. ihave to keep eye on green as

you said there might be some thing in his diet which he cant tolerate! oh! i

love you!

what is visual stim? he stims a lot in front of tv, on light as we talk he

stims on our face as if fascinated by words coming out stims on wheels moving,

on washing going round now he keeps washing machine off even if he is in his

room the sound irritates him it is puzzling to say why? because he likes to

watch

but doesn't like to hear are these visual stim then we both need help! not

that i am stimming with him but will be so good not to explain strangers that

no no he is not trying to hypnotise you!! yes this is driving me mad!

> can he take egg with these enzymes? or no !

>

>

> > scd conflicts with gfcf as cheese is allowed in it, but i thought cheese

>

> > contains yeast and my son will ignore milk but will cry for cheese which

> makes

> > me doubtful,

>

>

> You can do SCD and cf together if you want. My son did not tolerate cheese

> culture for quite a while, yours might be crying for the

> culture.

>

> yes, it could be the possibility as he only goes for stuff which are bad for

> him!

> > son loves cakes and cookies what am i going to do?

>

>

> I used GSE plus No-Fenol enzyme and sugar *reduction* rather than *removal*.

> This worked for my kids. Might not work for yours

> tho.

> i think i might try this

> Regarding constipation dana you are so right

> > he takes eyeq which contains eve. prim. oil. which could be the problem?

>

>

> Yep, major nasty over here. I would remove it. I used flax/borage for a

> while. CLO can also be good, depending on which EFAs he

> needs.

> what is CLO? and how to give him flax/borage i tried adding into cake -flax

> he hates it

cant thank you enough!!

seema

[Guest guest]

> > Possibly. Can be a few other things also.

> >

>

> can you please tell what other things?

Possibly the food intolerance issue below. I forget the rest of your message so

I don't remember what else I may have been thinking.

> > A pigment in foods, generally orange, red, and green foods. My son did not

> > tolerate lutein, even with enzymes, until well into ALA

> > chelation. Does your son have visual stims? That is one sign, although not

> > the only one.

>

> he gets v hyper after orange strawberry etc. ihave to keep eye on green as

> you said there might be some thing in his diet which he cant tolerate!

This is a relatively good lutein page. It says lutein intolerance is " an inborn

error of metabolism " , which is not correct for my son

because chelation removed the problem, but it has a good food list etc

http://www.saras-autism-diet.freeservers.com/Diet/Saras_Diet_I.html

>> oh! i

> love you!

SSHHHH don't tell my husband, he will be jealous!

=)

> what is visual stim?

Waving things in front of the eyes, squinting, looking out of the sides of the

eyes, dragging face along the floor or other horizontal

objects, lining up objects, looking at things from odd angles, etc.

> > can he take egg with these enzymes? or no !

My son did not tolerate eggs, but I believe technically for lutein-free the

whites are okay, the yolks are not. Check food list above, I

have not been there in a while. Some kids do okay with eggs with HNI enzymes,

others like my son don't.

> > what is CLO?

Cod liver oil.

>> and how to give him flax/borage i tried adding into cake -flax

> > he hates it

The flax/borage I used was an oil in a capsule, which I opened and mixed into

the peanut butter/honey mixture I use for all

supplements.

Dana