Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Was wondering if anyone could shed some light here. If there's one thing I've

learned from this site is the importance in ready labels and understanding there

are often hidden or unknown elements in products. I am going gluten and sugar

free, to combat a yeast overgrowth. Wanted to use the aid of a fiber type

capsule. Was reading the ingredients on Fibercon, and they have down there

" caramel " . I can't imagine in something like this it is meant as the sugar

version, but also can't understand what else it could be? Also in doing a

search, I am know wondering if one of the other ingredients I can't even

pronounce might have gluten in it.

Is there a fiber type product out there in capsule form that is known to be

sugar and gluten free for sure?

FYI-Yesterday my daughter called me at work. Fibercon and a few other changes

really worked. She told me, " mom, it was so great it didn't even hurt AT ALL!

I feel like a new kid! " . I know this is just the first step, but to me that is

the best Christmas present I could ever ask for.

Thanks to all of you for support through this educational journey.

Kari

[Guest guest]

if it works i wouldn't get too obssesed about complete elimination

why r u focusing on that when you still haven't crossed the bridge in

understanding from gf to scd?

it may be helpful to post on the other changes.

> Hello,

> Was wondering if anyone could shed some light here. If there's one

thing I've learned from this site is the importance in ready labels

and understanding there are often hidden or unknown elements in

products. I am going gluten and sugar free, to combat a yeast

overgrowth. Wanted to use the aid of a fiber type capsule. Was

reading the ingredients on Fibercon, and they have down

there " caramel " . I can't imagine in something like this it is meant

as the sugar version, but also can't understand what else it could

be? Also in doing a search, I am know wondering if one of the other

ingredients I can't even pronounce might have gluten in it.

> Is there a fiber type product out there in capsule form that is

known to be sugar and gluten free for sure?

> FYI-Yesterday my daughter called me at work. Fibercon and a few

other changes really worked. She told me, " mom, it was so great it

didn't even hurt AT ALL! I feel like a new kid! " . I know this is

just the first step, but to me that is the best Christmas present I

could ever ask for.

> Thanks to all of you for support through this educational journey.

> Kari

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Do you have any thoughts on how long it should take for the leaky gut to

start healing significantly, under the scd/minerals etc conditions you describe?

I'm not sure because I need to test it after a break, but it seems that after

almost 4 months on scd etc. my son is developing new food sensitivities. Agh.

There's plenty of good food on scd but he refuses a lot and so the number of

foods is shrinking and he's beginning to rebel. Wouldn't you think by now the

food list would be expanding?

Nell

In a message dated 12/21/03 5:51:19 PM, alevin@... writes:

<< since the gut is leaky and partly digested food molecules are getting

across the gut then food senstivities are going to be an ongoing

problem and not really solvable.

bacterial and yeast overgrowth has to be addressed as the toxic

metabolite load from this creates a myriad of problems including

leaky gut and sensitvites to foods. gfcf does NOT address this.

enzymes, mineral supplementation, scd emphasis, OoO etc does.

corn, grains, potatoes, soy are the big scd offenders. they feed the

malign bacteria /yeast biofilm with their complex sugars in the gut. >>

[Guest guest]

Fair question! I may not be crossing all the bridges, but am definitely making

headways. I really wish sometimes my brain worked in a way that was able to

just focus on one little piece of the puzzle at a time, but in order for me to

understand a piece I have to have more of an understanding of the big picture

too. Definitely a handicap in the area of learning speed ability, but has been

a positive in the area of being extremely thorough. Sorry if I appear to be

scattered, (which I am at times), but usually emerge with a very solid concept.

As for understanding the fundamental difference between the gf and scd diets, I

guess I was just looking for a foundation to start from. Embarrassed to admit,

but I am definitely cooking inept, and all that goes with cooking. This dietary

change alone is going to be way harder than it should be. However, I am

committed. And I have now realized that there is no substitution or foundation

out there for me to sponge off of. I have to tackle my child's personal dietary

needs on my own, and if one of these diets happen to have ideas in them that

fit, great. This is what I have determined:

she has a yeast overgrowth problem (Also has the means for one; several

antibiotic rounds given closely in her younger days)

she has a bacteria problem in the area of citrobacter freundi

she is deficient in the good bacteria bifidobacter

chemical sensitivity issues; going to the hair salon triggered a serious

headache; but the phenol foods seemed to be OK

Has always had constipation problems

I'm also pretty sure she has a leaky gut, but could use some input here. Out of

a test of 96 items, 12 of them with a score of over 2. (1-5 in the range of

severity to sensitivity-GP test.) Of the items she tested highest on, eggs and

dairy, they or any others did not show up with any problems when 10 items were

tested on the skin. Vit. C deficient. Abnormal score in the area of

steatocrit, which I understand means fat absorption. Is there any other

indicators out there to verify leaky gut? Does what I mention sound like it, or

am I missing a big indicator I have overlooked? She was just tested for celiac

this weekend, no results in yet.

What am I going to do about it? No dairy; eggs; gluten; sugars; preservatives.

Which diet? Guess what ever I can get in her that meets these parameters. God

help me...in addition I understand if it is leaky gut I'm suppose to rotates

foods! I was planning on finding what works and pretty much giving it to her

every day. Just doing the food modification for 2 days has triggered emotional

stress. Bouts of freaking out for food; crawling into the fetal position and

snarling at us; sensory overload. Nothing we haven't seen before, which makes

it even more confusing. Is it yeast die off; bacteria related; withdrawals from

addicted foods; normal behavior for having her little world rocked-or " E-All Of

the Above " ? In addition, the plan is to introduce a probiic and a Kirkman's

product called Yeast Aid. (Dana thanks for your input on that one, I didn't

realize the need for magnesium to biotin.) Also will do what I can to limit the

chemical exposure, special soaps and all.

As always, open to comments please!

Thanks,

Kari

Re: Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

if it works i wouldn't get too obssesed about complete elimination

why r u focusing on that when you still haven't crossed the bridge in

understanding from gf to scd?

it may be helpful to post on the other changes.

[Guest guest]

since the gut is leaky and partly digested food molecules are getting

across the gut then food senstivities are going to be an ongoing

problem and not really solvable.

bacterial and yeast overgrowth has to be addressed as the toxic

metabolite load from this creates a myriad of problems including

leaky gut and sensitvites to foods. gfcf does NOT address this.

enzymes, mineral supplementation, scd emphasis, OoO etc does.

corn, grains, potatoes, soy are the big scd offenders. they feed the

malign bacteria /yeast biofilm with their complex sugars in the gut.

a hair test would be useful.

she will nedd zinc, magnesium seleniums etc etc

i feel these sensitivity tests are misguided.

just start supplementing and understanding the scd

theory .......don't get to tangled up in the diet but it is essential

to understand and food exclusions follow as you understand.

http://www.scd.freeuk.com/index.htm

> Fair question! I may not be crossing all the bridges, but am

definitely making headways. I really wish sometimes my brain worked

in a way that was able to just focus on one little piece of the

puzzle at a time, but in order for me to understand a piece I have to

have more of an understanding of the big picture too. Definitely a

handicap in the area of learning speed ability, but has been a

positive in the area of being extremely thorough. Sorry if I appear

to be scattered, (which I am at times), but usually emerge with a

very solid concept. As for understanding the fundamental difference

between the gf and scd diets, I guess I was just looking for a

foundation to start from. Embarrassed to admit, but I am definitely

cooking inept, and all that goes with cooking. This dietary change

alone is going to be way harder than it should be. However, I am

committed. And I have now realized that there is no substitution or

foundation out there for me to sponge off of. I have to tackle my

child's personal dietary needs on my own, and if one of these diets

happen to have ideas in them that fit, great. This is what I have

determined:

>

> she has a yeast overgrowth problem (Also has the means for one;

several antibiotic rounds given closely in her younger days)

>

> she has a bacteria problem in the area of citrobacter freundi

>

> she is deficient in the good bacteria bifidobacter

>

> chemical sensitivity issues; going to the hair salon triggered a

serious headache; but the phenol foods seemed to be OK

>

> Has always had constipation problems

>

> I'm also pretty sure she has a leaky gut, but could use some input

here. Out of a test of 96 items, 12 of them with a score of over 2.

(1-5 in the range of severity to sensitivity-GP test.) Of the items

she tested highest on, eggs and dairy, they or any others did not

show up with any problems when 10 items were tested on the skin.

Vit. C deficient. Abnormal score in the area of steatocrit, which I

understand means fat absorption. Is there any other indicators out

there to verify leaky gut? Does what I mention sound like it, or am

I missing a big indicator I have overlooked? She was just tested

for celiac this weekend, no results in yet.

>

> What am I going to do about it? No dairy; eggs; gluten; sugars;

preservatives. Which diet? Guess what ever I can get in her that

meets these parameters. God help me...in addition I understand if it

is leaky gut I'm suppose to rotates foods! I was planning on finding

what works and pretty much giving it to her every day. Just doing

the food modification for 2 days has triggered emotional stress.

Bouts of freaking out for food; crawling into the fetal position and

snarling at us; sensory overload. Nothing we haven't seen before,

which makes it even more confusing. Is it yeast die off; bacteria

related; withdrawals from addicted foods; normal behavior for having

her little world rocked-or " E-All Of the Above " ? In addition, the

plan is to introduce a probiic and a Kirkman's product called Yeast

Aid. (Dana thanks for your input on that one, I didn't realize the

need for magnesium to biotin.) Also will do what I can to limit the

chemical exposure, special soaps and all.

> As always, open to comments please!

> Thanks,

> Kari

> Re: Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

>

>

>

> if it works i wouldn't get too obssesed about complete elimination

>

> why r u focusing on that when you still haven't crossed the

bridge in

> understanding from gf to scd?

>

> it may be helpful to post on the other changes.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK, may be way off base here, but along these lines I have to pose a question.

What you describe below I believe is why I have been told to rotate in the good

foods. If a leaky gut is the root, then it appears as though it may not really

be a particular food that is causing the problem but just a particular food that

is being digested through a broken system at that point in time (tested). Not

saying all foods are equal, but just that maybe there are a good number of them

with a higher chance of probability that would be problematic with a broken

system. For example, the item that tested highest (5 out of 5) with my daughter

was egg whites. Yes I understand this is a very common allergic item, but

wouldn't you think that with such a high score on the skin test 4 months ago it

would have at least registered? Or I would have seen some sigh of it in the

past? Just so happened eggs were virtually the only protein she would eat.

Prior to focusing on protein, she would only have eggs like once a week. But

for a few weeks prior to the test, we were giving her around 4 egg whites

religiously ever day. So if this theory is correct then by pulling the known

bad items and replacing them with new " good " foods on a very regular basis, then

perhaps all we would be doing is rotating the allergenic items.

To add to the complexity here, she does eat peanut butter 5 days a week and that

was fine. So even though it's a high frequency item it didn't seem to create an

issue with her. Also I need to note that the egg yolk was equally high, and she

almost never ate those. Not sure if it is common for these two to have similar

scores even when they are not equally digested.

is the reason you are not sold on these tests because you believe it may

just be picking up the problem at that moment and not necessarily a true

problem, such as if it was induced by having a leaky gut? Or are you saying

these tests in general you have found not to be extremely accurate?

Thanks,

Kari

Re: Re: Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

,

Do you have any thoughts on how long it should take for the leaky gut to

start healing significantly, under the scd/minerals etc conditions you

describe?

I'm not sure because I need to test it after a break, but it seems that after

almost 4 months on scd etc. my son is developing new food sensitivities. Agh.

There's plenty of good food on scd but he refuses a lot and so the number of

foods is shrinking and he's beginning to rebel. Wouldn't you think by now the

food list would be expanding?

Nell

[Guest guest]

if he's developing new sensitivites then the gut is leaky and there

is still bacteria yeast dysbiosis.

when you get something right improvement its a matter of days and

weeks.........

closidra is a protien eating bacteria and not necessarily well

addressed by scd, but is by general antifungal antibacterial

approaches and immune things like vit a and d(skin and oral).

probably enzymes help as well. and zinc.

> ,

>

> Do you have any thoughts on how long it should take for the leaky

gut to

> start healing significantly, under the scd/minerals etc conditions

you describe?

> I'm not sure because I need to test it after a break, but it seems

that after

> almost 4 months on scd etc. my son is developing new food

sensitivities. Agh.

> There's plenty of good food on scd but he refuses a lot and so the

number of

> foods is shrinking and he's beginning to rebel. Wouldn't you think

by now the

> food list would be expanding?

>

> Nell

>

> In a message dated 12/21/03 5:51:19 PM, alevin@i... writes:

>

> << since the gut is leaky and partly digested food molecules are

getting

>

> across the gut then food senstivities are going to be an ongoing

>

> problem and not really solvable.

>

>

> bacterial and yeast overgrowth has to be addressed as the toxic

>

> metabolite load from this creates a myriad of problems including

>

> leaky gut and sensitvites to foods. gfcf does NOT address this.

>

> enzymes, mineral supplementation, scd emphasis, OoO etc does.

>

>

> corn, grains, potatoes, soy are the big scd offenders. they feed

the

>

> malign bacteria /yeast biofilm with their complex sugars in the

gut. >>

[Guest guest]

>in addition I understand if it is leaky gut I'm suppose to rotates foods! I

was planning on finding what works and pretty much giving it

to her every day.

Giving a food every day without enzymes caused my son to develop an intolerance

to it.

>>Just doing the food modification for 2 days has triggered emotional stress.

Bouts of freaking out for food; crawling into the fetal

position and snarling at us; sensory overload. Nothing we haven't seen before,

which makes it even more confusing. Is it yeast die

off; bacteria related; withdrawals from addicted foods; normal behavior for

having her little world rocked-or " E-All Of the Above " ?

I would suspect perhaps one of the above, or perhaps you have substituted a food

that she does not tolerate. What is she eating

now?

Dana

[Guest guest]

Re: Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

>in addition I understand if it is leaky gut I'm suppose to rotates foods! I

was planning on finding what works and pretty much giving it

to her every day.

Giving a food every day without enzymes caused my son to develop an

intolerance to it.

I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I WAS GOING TO BE INTRODUCION ENZYMES AFTER GETTING

THE PRIBIOTIC AND YEAST KILLER ESTABLISHED. THIS IS GREAT TO KNOW THAT ENZYMES

MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP BREAK THE INTOLLERENCE CYCLE.

>>Just doing the food modification for 2 days has triggered emotional stress.

Bouts of freaking out for food; crawling into the fetal

position and snarling at us; sensory overload. Nothing we haven't seen

before, which makes it even more confusing. Is it yeast die

off; bacteria related; withdrawals from addicted foods; normal behavior for

having her little world rocked-or " E-All Of the Above " ?

I would suspect perhaps one of the above, or perhaps you have substituted a

food that she does not tolerate. What is she eating

now?

SHE IS ONLY EATING STUFF I HAVE EVERY INDICATION IS LEAGAL. AFTER LAST NIGHT,

I NOW KNOW IT IS DIE OFF. THROBBING HEADACHE (SHE DESCRIBED IT AS FEELING LIKE

A VOLCANO); AND SHE USED TO JUST GET HEADACHES FROM SUGAR INFRACTIONS IN THE

PAST. ALSO FEELING LIKE CRYING UNCONTROLABLY. ALSO YESTERDAY STARTED CANDEX

WHICH IS FOR THE YEAST ISSUE. IT IS SO HARD TO TRY TO TELL YOURSELF THIS IS ALL

GOOD. THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE POSTED IN THE PAST THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS,

THE ARCHIVES WERE HELPING ME OUT TO DEAL WITH IT LAST NIGHT.

KARI

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[Guest guest]

Miserable isn't it? We too are experiencing a bad time, although not die-off for

my son. Just adjusting to some new supplements. I sympathize though. We rotate

GSE, OoO and OLE. In combination with a nightly Culturelle capsule, this is

doing the trick for us. I don't like to endlessly treat. I think it may create

more problems, but with the flu season upon us I don't mind so much the OoO and

OLE. We used GSE longer than we should have and ended up with a bacteria

problem. That's why we use the Culturelle and rotate the GSE, OoO and OLE. Good

luck to you. Re: Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

>in addition I understand if it is leaky gut I'm suppose to rotates foods!

I was planning on finding what works and pretty much giving it

to her every day.

Giving a food every day without enzymes caused my son to develop an

intolerance to it.

I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I WAS GOING TO BE INTRODUCION ENZYMES AFTER GETTING

THE PRIBIOTIC AND YEAST KILLER ESTABLISHED. THIS IS GREAT TO KNOW THAT ENZYMES

MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP BREAK THE INTOLLERENCE CYCLE.

>>Just doing the food modification for 2 days has triggered emotional

stress. Bouts of freaking out for food; crawling into the fetal

position and snarling at us; sensory overload. Nothing we haven't seen

before, which makes it even more confusing. Is it yeast die

off; bacteria related; withdrawals from addicted foods; normal behavior for

having her little world rocked-or " E-All Of the Above " ?

I would suspect perhaps one of the above, or perhaps you have substituted a

food that she does not tolerate. What is she eating

now?

SHE IS ONLY EATING STUFF I HAVE EVERY INDICATION IS LEAGAL. AFTER LAST

NIGHT, I NOW KNOW IT IS DIE OFF. THROBBING HEADACHE (SHE DESCRIBED IT AS

FEELING LIKE A VOLCANO); AND SHE USED TO JUST GET HEADACHES FROM SUGAR

INFRACTIONS IN THE PAST. ALSO FEELING LIKE CRYING UNCONTROLABLY. ALSO

YESTERDAY STARTED CANDEX WHICH IS FOR THE YEAST ISSUE. IT IS SO HARD TO TRY TO

TELL YOURSELF THIS IS ALL GOOD. THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE POSTED IN THE PAST THEY

HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS, THE ARCHIVES WERE HELPING ME OUT TO DEAL WITH IT LAST

NIGHT.

KARI

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[Guest guest]

Alice,

If you don't mind me asking, can you let me know what you mean about knowing it

is doing the trick? I guess starting up here is scary enough, but how do you

know when it is working/fixing things, and worst yet it sounds like you did too

good of a job and ended up with a bacteria? Help, now I'm doubly worried. Did

you get the bacteria from trying to kill off yeast?

My daughter has both issues to contend with out the gate. So I will have no

idea of how to tell when it's working; when it's " fixed: or if I could over do.

Of course it was assured to me that you can't over kill yeast by someone at the

Great Plains today but that didn't sound right.

Thanks,

Kari

Re: Fibercon-gluten/sugar free?

>in addition I understand if it is leaky gut I'm suppose to rotates foods!

I was planning on finding what works and pretty much giving it

to her every day.

Giving a food every day without enzymes caused my son to develop an

intolerance to it.

I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I WAS GOING TO BE INTRODUCION ENZYMES AFTER

GETTING THE PRIBIOTIC AND YEAST KILLER ESTABLISHED. THIS IS GREAT TO KNOW THAT

ENZYMES MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP BREAK THE INTOLLERENCE CYCLE.

>>Just doing the food modification for 2 days has triggered emotional

stress. Bouts of freaking out for food; crawling into the fetal

position and snarling at us; sensory overload. Nothing we haven't seen

before, which makes it even more confusing. Is it yeast die

off; bacteria related; withdrawals from addicted foods; normal behavior

for having her little world rocked-or " E-All Of the Above " ?

I would suspect perhaps one of the above, or perhaps you have substituted

a food that she does not tolerate. What is she eating

now?

SHE IS ONLY EATING STUFF I HAVE EVERY INDICATION IS LEAGAL. AFTER LAST

NIGHT, I NOW KNOW IT IS DIE OFF. THROBBING HEADACHE (SHE DESCRIBED IT AS

FEELING LIKE A VOLCANO); AND SHE USED TO JUST GET HEADACHES FROM SUGAR

INFRACTIONS IN THE PAST. ALSO FEELING LIKE CRYING UNCONTROLABLY. ALSO

YESTERDAY STARTED CANDEX WHICH IS FOR THE YEAST ISSUE. IT IS SO HARD TO TRY TO

TELL YOURSELF THIS IS ALL GOOD. THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE POSTED IN THE PAST THEY

HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS, THE ARCHIVES WERE HELPING ME OUT TO DEAL WITH IT LAST

NIGHT.

KARI

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