Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 You can get his protocol and lots more info from the files section on the group. He answers questions regularly on that group. He has been quite helpful. He also has two books on chelation. I would recommend checking out that group.--Tod > Hi and Maureen- > > I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is and > what is his protocol? I have been chelating for almost a year, (among > many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am looking > at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day with > 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. One > dietician said this was too much, and has put her on Artichoke extract > to help support the liver. Do you use the spray? Or DMSA? Or ALA > only and what is your regimen? I hear 3 days on and 4 off is good, but > not sure how much to do. > > Thanks for any advice, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 , You can find Andy Cutler on the loop. He has answered many of my questions directly over the past two years. He has a book that goes over his protocol. I found it useful but difficult to follow but the loop is very knowledgeable and can clarify questions. We haven't chelated ... yet... Truly, a > Hi and Maureen- > > I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is and > what is his protocol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 In a message dated 19/11/2003 00:50:48 GMT Standard Time, highwattspw@... writes: > I have been chelating for almost a year, (among > many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am looking > at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day with > 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. This seems a very strange protocol to me. Are you seeing imrpovements with this? Main Autsim Mercury group files have recently been copied to another site for ease of public access since changed the rules about looking in files sections if not a member. <A HREF= " http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ " > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/</A> Check out the dosing schedule files HTH MAndi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Andy Cutler is a PhD doctor, not an M.D. doctor. He wrote a great book on Amalgam illness, and is pretty knowledgeable. However, I noted that once he told a parent via a listserv that Vitamin A Palmitate is the same Vitamin A as Cod Liver Oil. Whoa -- NOT! Again, he's not an M.D. Artichoke Extract for liver support -- I've not heard of that. We use Milk Thistle, 100 mg 2-3x/day. We follow (loosely) the DAN! Protocol. Maybe you have a DAN! Practitioner near you. We follow the 3 on, 11 off protocol, when we follow it at all (it depends on what's going on -- we chelate regularly during the Summer). We did DMSA alone for a year or 2, and then added ALA. Missy Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:15:38 -0800 From: P Weiss <highwattspw@...> Subject: Andy Cutler Hi and Maureen- I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is and what is his protocol? I have been chelating for almost a year, (among many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am looking at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day with 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. One dietician said this was too much, and has put her on Artichoke extract to help support the liver. Do you use the spray? Or DMSA? Or ALA only and what is your regimen? I hear 3 days on and 4 off is good, but not sure how much to do. Thanks for any advice, --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 as i understand it vitmain a palmitiate is the predominant form of vitamin a in fish oils. presuambly there is a sufficent amount of the cis form in cod liver oil but its also there in unprocessed cream. i don't agree with anyd cutler on chelation but his protocol is way ahead of the extremely damaging chelation protocols esposused by many doctors. the problems with chelation are that the mobilsed mercury is destructive of large scale nueral structures and that chelators are not selective for heavy metals pulling out zinc and other minerals preferentially to mercury. if parents chelated themselves they would be a lot more hesitant about visiting this very gruelling process on their children. > Andy Cutler is a PhD doctor, not an M.D. doctor. He wrote a great book > on Amalgam illness, and is pretty knowledgeable. However, I noted that > once he told a parent via a listserv that Vitamin A Palmitate is the > same Vitamin A as Cod Liver Oil. Whoa -- NOT! Again, he's not an M.D. > > > Artichoke Extract for liver support -- I've not heard of that. We use > Milk Thistle, 100 mg 2-3x/day. We follow (loosely) the DAN! Protocol. > Maybe you have a DAN! Practitioner near you. We follow the 3 on, 11 off > protocol, when we follow it at all (it depends on what's going on -- we > chelate regularly during the Summer). We did DMSA alone for a year or > 2, and then added ALA. > > Missy > > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:15:38 -0800 > From: P Weiss <highwattspw@m...> > Subject: Andy Cutler > > Hi and Maureen- > > I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is and > what is his protocol? I have been chelating for almost a year, (among > many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am looking > at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day with > 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. One > dietician said this was too much, and has put her on Artichoke extract > to help support the liver. Do you use the spray? Or DMSA? Or ALA > only and what is your regimen? I hear 3 days on and 4 off is good, but > not sure how much to do. > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 > preferentially to mercury. if parents chelated themselves they would > be a lot more hesitant about visiting this very gruelling process on > their children. There are a lot of parents chelating themselves as well as their children. It is rare to have only one person poisoned in the family even if sometimes only one has been diagnosed with autism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 r u? > > preferentially to mercury. if parents chelated themselves they > would > > be a lot more hesitant about visiting this very gruelling process > on > > their children. > > There are a lot of parents chelating themselves as well as their > children. It is rare to have only one person poisoned in the family > even if sometimes only one has been diagnosed with autism. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 I am a different Maureen, but I have some experience with Andy Cutler. Personally, my doctor put me on a " gentle chelation " program that I thought was suspect because of how badly I felt and how it was not like anything I had read about. I was checking out certain details about my chelation with Andy Cutler and he told me to stop immediately. I am still recovering. Thank god he told me. Anyways, I have a new doctor and I am going to have Andy Cutler do a " file review. " I too trust him more than many doctors out there. He has personal experience detoxing and a PhD in Chemistry from Princeton as well as a very detailed knowledge of biochemistry. I don't think anyone is infallible so it is good to get an array of opinions and then make your own decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 In a message dated 21/11/2003 00:51:58 GMT Standard Time, moblock@... writes: > I too trust him > more than many doctors out there. Me too, in fact I trust him more than ANY Dr out there. The previous poster misunderstood his statement about VIt A, what he meant was Vit A is VIt A and he doesn;t hold with Megsons theory that CLO is the only way to go. I think the many reports of improvements with other forms using the High dose protocol (That HE introduced Dr McC to in the first place) kinda proves the point MAndi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 At 12:41 AM 11/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: >as i understand it vitmain a palmitiate is the predominant form of >vitamin a in fish oils. presuambly there is a sufficent amount of the >cis form in cod liver oil but its also there in unprocessed cream. What's the cream called? Is it available in the U.S., and if so, from where? Do you need a prescription for it? How much is given and at what intervals? Is there any info on the Web that you can point me to about use of the cream, or alternative ways to get the cis form of vitamin A without CLO? Please send a copy of your reply to my email address (elisabeth@...). Thanks very much! >i don't agree with anyd cutler on chelation but his protocol is way >ahead of the extremely damaging chelation protocols esposused by many >doctors. > >the problems with chelation are that the mobilsed mercury is >destructive of large scale nueral structures and that chelators are >not selective for heavy metals pulling out zinc and other minerals >preferentially to mercury. if parents chelated themselves they would >be a lot more hesitant about visiting this very gruelling process on >their children. > > > > > Andy Cutler is a PhD doctor, not an M.D. doctor. He wrote a great >book > > on Amalgam illness, and is pretty knowledgeable. However, I noted >that > > once he told a parent via a listserv that Vitamin A Palmitate is the > > same Vitamin A as Cod Liver Oil. Whoa -- NOT! Again, he's not an >M.D. > > > > > > Artichoke Extract for liver support -- I've not heard of that. We >use > > Milk Thistle, 100 mg 2-3x/day. We follow (loosely) the DAN! >Protocol. > > Maybe you have a DAN! Practitioner near you. We follow the 3 on, >11 off > > protocol, when we follow it at all (it depends on what's going on -- >we > > chelate regularly during the Summer). We did DMSA alone for a year >or > > 2, and then added ALA. > > > > Missy > > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:15:38 -0800 > > From: P Weiss <highwattspw@m...> > > Subject: Andy Cutler > > > > Hi and Maureen- > > > > I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is >and > > what is his protocol? I have been chelating for almost a year, >(among > > many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am >looking > > at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day >with > > 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. One > > dietician said this was too much, and has put her on Artichoke >extract > > to help support the liver. Do you use the spray? Or DMSA? Or >ALA > > only and what is your regimen? I hear 3 days on and 4 off is good, >but > > not sure how much to do. > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Ahem, yes it's available without a prescription, , but you might not want to rub it on your child :-) What they were referring to is unprocessed CREAM, you know, like the kind from those furry barnyard animals that go moo? Other sources of the cis form of A include beef liver and mother's milk. Mmmmm! Terri At 07:03 AM 11/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: >At 12:41 AM 11/20/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > >as i understand it vitmain a palmitiate is the predominant form of > >vitamin a in fish oils. presuambly there is a sufficent amount of the > >cis form in cod liver oil but its also there in unprocessed cream. > >What's the cream called? Is it available in the U.S., and if so, from >where? Do you need a prescription for it? How much is given and at what >intervals? Is there any info on the Web that you can point me to about use >of the cream, or alternative ways to get the cis form of vitamin A without >CLO? Please send a copy of your reply to my email address >(elisabeth@...). > >Thanks very much! > > > > > >i don't agree with anyd cutler on chelation but his protocol is way > >ahead of the extremely damaging chelation protocols esposused by many > >doctors. > > > >the problems with chelation are that the mobilsed mercury is > >destructive of large scale nueral structures and that chelators are > >not selective for heavy metals pulling out zinc and other minerals > >preferentially to mercury. if parents chelated themselves they would > >be a lot more hesitant about visiting this very gruelling process on > >their children. > > > > > > > > > Andy Cutler is a PhD doctor, not an M.D. doctor. He wrote a great > >book > > > on Amalgam illness, and is pretty knowledgeable. However, I noted > >that > > > once he told a parent via a listserv that Vitamin A Palmitate is the > > > same Vitamin A as Cod Liver Oil. Whoa -- NOT! Again, he's not an > >M.D. > > > > > > > > > Artichoke Extract for liver support -- I've not heard of that. We > >use > > > Milk Thistle, 100 mg 2-3x/day. We follow (loosely) the DAN! > >Protocol. > > > Maybe you have a DAN! Practitioner near you. We follow the 3 on, > >11 off > > > protocol, when we follow it at all (it depends on what's going on -- > >we > > > chelate regularly during the Summer). We did DMSA alone for a year > >or > > > 2, and then added ALA. > > > > > > Missy > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:15:38 -0800 > > > From: P Weiss <highwattspw@m...> > > > Subject: Andy Cutler > > > > > > Hi and Maureen- > > > > > > I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is > >and > > > what is his protocol? I have been chelating for almost a year, > >(among > > > many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am > >looking > > > at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day > >with > > > 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. One > > > dietician said this was too much, and has put her on Artichoke > >extract > > > to help support the liver. Do you use the spray? Or DMSA? Or > >ALA > > > only and what is your regimen? I hear 3 days on and 4 off is good, > >but > > > not sure how much to do. > > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 this is cream as in cream of cows milk. here in tasmania there is a good quailty organic milk and cream you can get from a local producer and several people have substantially improved on it. i think liver has some cis a in to and i guess also eyes as it has always been considered a delciacy food in more nutritonally sophsticated cultures. the thing is the child night blind? its only if there is night blindness or low vision in low illumination its an indication of an inablity to transform retinol to 11-cis a. http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/vit_0260 ..shtml " The effects of vitamin A are mediated by two different mechanisms. The eye illustrates both of these mechanisms. Vitamin A (all-trans retinol) is converted in the retina to the 11-cis-isomer of retinaldehyde or 11-cis-retinal. 11-cis-retinal functions in the retina in the transduction of light into the neural signals necessary for vision. 11-cis-retinal, while attached to opsin in rhodopsin is isomerized to all-trans-retinal by light. This is the event that triggers the nerve impulse to the brain which allows for the perception of light. All-trans-retinal is then released from opsin and reduced to all-trans-retinol. All-trans-retinol is isomerized to 11-cis-retinol in the dark, and then oxidized to 11-cis-retinal. 11- cis-retinal recombines with opsin to re-form rhodopsin. Night blindness or defective vision at low illumination results from a failure to resynthesize 11-cis retinal rapidly. This is a consequence of vitamin A deficiency. Vitamin A deficiency results in the depletion of the vitamin A storage pool (retinyl ester) in the retinal pigment epithelial cells. " > > > Andy Cutler is a PhD doctor, not an M.D. doctor. He wrote a great > >book > > > on Amalgam illness, and is pretty knowledgeable. However, I noted > >that > > > once he told a parent via a listserv that Vitamin A Palmitate is the > > > same Vitamin A as Cod Liver Oil. Whoa -- NOT! Again, he's not an > >M.D. > > > > > > > > > Artichoke Extract for liver support -- I've not heard of that. We > >use > > > Milk Thistle, 100 mg 2-3x/day. We follow (loosely) the DAN! > >Protocol. > > > Maybe you have a DAN! Practitioner near you. We follow the 3 on, > >11 off > > > protocol, when we follow it at all (it depends on what's going on -- > >we > > > chelate regularly during the Summer). We did DMSA alone for a year > >or > > > 2, and then added ALA. > > > > > > Missy > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:15:38 -0800 > > > From: P Weiss <highwattspw@m...> > > > Subject: Andy Cutler > > > > > > Hi and Maureen- > > > > > > I am semi new to this group, and am wondering who Andy Cutler is > >and > > > what is his protocol? I have been chelating for almost a year, > >(among > > > many other things) for my soon to be 3 year old. However, I am > >looking > > > at changing Dr.s. I use DMSA one day a weekend 50 mg 4 x a day > >with > > > 25 mg of ALA 2 x every day of the week except Th and Fri. One > > > dietician said this was too much, and has put her on Artichoke > >extract > > > to help support the liver. Do you use the spray? Or DMSA? Or > >ALA > > > only and what is your regimen? I hear 3 days on and 4 off is good, > >but > > > not sure how much to do. > > > > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by tqci.net] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 I'm not , but I thought I'd respond. I will be chelating as soon as I have my only two amalgam fillings removed. After I had my nickel retainer removed this summer (which was held in place for 20 years with amalgam!) I feel a million times better but I still have mercury issues. My memory is much better but I still have all the food issues, thyroid issues, and others. Truly, E > r u? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 That would be this list, really. You can look in the files. There is a ton of information there. Basically, he says " chelate, chelate, chelate " using ALA/DMSA (or sometimes DMPS) according to the 1/2 life of the chelator, and at low doses (1/8-1/2 mg/lb per dose). So, with ALA, you dose every three hours, DMSA every four, DMPS every eight. He is in favor of oral chelators because they have a proven track record. Basic supplement recommendations are in the files. And ask lots of questions. Anne > > HI GROUP; > Could anyone tell me if Andy Cutler has a website to learn about his protocol? > thanks Joyce > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 > > HI GROUP; > Could anyone tell me if Andy Cutler has a website to learn about his protocol? These are the web pages for his books. There is a lot of information on those pages and, of course, lots more in the books. http://www.noamalgam.com http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > thanks Joyce > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Check the FAQs of this list and the Andy files that Moria compiled with Andy's permission. S S > HI GROUP;<br> > Could anyone tell me if Andy Cutler has a website to learn about his<br> protocol?<br> <br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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