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> The 10 inches I lost aren't showing

> in my 4 weeks pics :( I tought I'd

> be albe to see a differnce. Oh well,

> it gives me more motivation to work

> even harder the next 4 weeks. I am

> staying away from the scale till then.

>

>

>

> Sheryll N.

Post them for all of us to see.

Debra

in GA

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Sorry.....I don't have guts enough

to. Maybe at the end of week 12 I

will.

Sheryll N.

> > The 10 inches I lost aren't showing

> > in my 4 weeks pics :( I tought I'd

> > be albe to see a differnce. Oh well,

> > it gives me more motivation to work

> > even harder the next 4 weeks. I am

> > staying away from the scale till then.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sheryll N.

>

>

> Post them for all of us to see.

>

> Debra

> in GA

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  • 9 months later...

In a message dated 01/12/2003 19:03:38 GMT Standard Time,

uucamper@... writes:

> Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next?

>

Try Houstons, you can ring Devin if you don;t like web ordering

<A HREF= " www.houstonni.com " >

www.houstonni.com</A>

In your case I woul dstart with Peptizyde and consider adding the No Fenol

once he's settled on the Pep. HN ZYme is good too :) HNI really are better than

the rest IMHO

Good luck

Mandi in UK

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Many people have, you won't know unless you try :)

Mandi in UK

>

> Do you think I'll see results even though I didn't see any results with the

> gluten free diet?

>

> Caroline

>

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I don't know about Digest Gold-- maybe switching to Houston's enzymes

would be beneficial to him??

Because there are sensory issues, I would look into metal toxicity

with a DDI hair test... I would look into using some supplements

(Brainchild's liquid ones would be good)... perhaps Sea Buddies

Concentrate! Focus Formula capsules... with the encopresis I would

consider Lauricidin to kill off some of the yeast and bad bacteria

and also get him on some magnesium and vitamin C to get the stool

softer... also some sulfur-based supplements to help with the

encopresis and sensory issues, too... have you done epsom salt

baths? Those may help -- use only a quarter of a cup to start with

and adjust based on how he responds to them... I would also try to

get him to eat more raw fruits/veggies and less starchy carbs so that

he has more energy and is not so " low " engine and not having to get

hyper to rev himself up all the time.

Look into Feingold diet www.feingold.org and also the SCD diet

www.pecanbread.com if after using Houston enzymes you feel that it

still isn't " enough " . SCD naturally encorporates most of the

Feingold principles anyway.

Do you do the brushing protocol and joint compressions?

W

> I hoping for some suggestions. I've been lurking a while. Some of

what

> I've seen on the list is over my head. Also, I'm just not sure how

> aggressively we need to pursue the issues.

>

> My 8 yo son is dx PDD-NOS. He has some of the Asperger's type

> stuff--difficulty transitioning, whining & temper tantrums when

things don't

> go his way, etc. His main issues tend to be sensory integration

> stuff--difficulty concentrating, tending to be " low " and stimming

(hyper

> behavior) in an attempt to get himself " even " , needing

proprioceptive input,

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In a message dated 12/1/03 2:03:53 PM, uucamper@... writes:

<< Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next? >>

IMO, the difference between Houston's enzymes and the others is *huge. My son

has (had) a lot of similar issues to yours, and the Houston enzymes + SCD +

antifungals has made an enormous difference.

Nell

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Do you think I'll see results even though I didn't see any results with the

gluten free diet?

Caroline

Re: Not seeing results

In a message dated 01/12/2003 19:03:38 GMT Standard Time,

uucamper@... writes:

> Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next?

>

Try Houstons, you can ring Devin if you don;t like web ordering

<A HREF= " www.houstonni.com " >

www.houstonni.com</A>

In your case I woul dstart with Peptizyde and consider adding the No Fenol

once he's settled on the Pep. HN ZYme is good too :) HNI really are better

than

the rest IMHO

Good luck

Mandi in UK

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Also...(I sent the last post without finishing my thought)...What does the

No Fenol do? Is it to address the issues that the Feingold diet deals with?

Some of this is pretty confusing to me.

Caroline

Re: Not seeing results

In a message dated 01/12/2003 19:03:38 GMT Standard Time,

uucamper@... writes:

> Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next?

>

Try Houstons, you can ring Devin if you don;t like web ordering

<A HREF= " www.houstonni.com " >

www.houstonni.com</A>

In your case I woul dstart with Peptizyde and consider adding the No Fenol

once he's settled on the Pep. HN ZYme is good too :) HNI really are better

than

the rest IMHO

Good luck

Mandi in UK

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Hmmm... I sent a post but maybe it got lost in space somewhere!

Will try again...

I would suggest going to houston's enzymes and giving those a try

before you rule out enzymes completely. I would suggest using add'l

supplements like some liquid vitamins and minerals (brainchild's) and

something to fight off yeast/bacteria/viruses like Lauricidin (be

prepared for some die off with this!)... I would get some EFA's into

him for the sensory issues... I would get some magnesium and vitamin

C into him for the encopresis (lauricidin will help here too) and

also some sulfur-y based supplements. The sulfur stories list has a

list of supplements but something like L glutamine will probably help

the encopresis.

Do you do any brushing/joint compressions with him?

Look into Sea Buddies Concentrate! Focus Formula. Also consider

getting him to eat more raw fruits/veggies and less starchy carbs to

help with his low-engine and reduce the need to rev himself up

(hyper).

Look into metal analysis with a DDI hair test...

Look into Feingold www.Feingold.org and SCD www.pecanbread.com

Everything I mentioned was meant to help with one or more of the

issues you mentioned. If you want me to explain further, just ask.

:-)

W

> I hoping for some suggestions. I've been lurking a while. Some of

what

> I've seen on the list is over my head. Also, I'm just not sure how

> aggressively we need to pursue the issues.

>

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Have you ever eliminate dairy/casein?

Re: Not seeing results

In a message dated 01/12/2003 19:03:38 GMT Standard Time,

uucamper@... writes:

> Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next?

>

Try Houstons, you can ring Devin if you don;t like web ordering

<A HREF= " www.houstonni.com " >

www.houstonni.com</A>

In your case I woul dstart with Peptizyde and consider adding the No Fenol

once he's settled on the Pep. HN ZYme is good too :) HNI really are better

than

the rest IMHO

Good luck

Mandi in UK

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:

Thanks for all the suggestions. It just seems too much to do all at once.

How do you tell what is helping if you start everything at once? How do you

pay for all of this stuff...on top of occupational therapy, psychotherapy,

tutoring, etc.

Why do the Lauricidin unless you see yeast die off? Does grapefruit seed

work as well? Massive doses or a smaller amount consistently?

I don't do the brushing/joint compressions because my son is 8 and already

shows inappropriate boundaries. The OT thought that it would be better if

my son would do his own compression stuff (rolling on a big therapy ball,

trampoline, climbing, etc.). Unfortunately, he is resistant to doing much

of anything, except playing with his Legos and Playmobile stuff or watching

TV, when I let him.

I do try to get him to eat the raw fruits and veggies--but he is addicted to

the starchy carbs, of course. I worry about too much fruit because I'm

hypoglycemic (worry that he might be too) and vegetables are pretty much

force fed as a mandatory item with dinner. I do make sure he eats some

lunch and dinner.

I rather start a bit more slowly...see some improvement and then go from

there. Are the Houston enzymes really so much better? If I don't see any

improvement with them, am I barking up the wrong tree entirely?

I'd also rather the enzymes worked than try another elimination diet. I

work at a camp and get meals included. It gets complicated to keep casein

out. The wheat was a little easier--my boss is cyliac. Most of the food is

good and fresh, but there is always a desert. It's hard to ensure my son

passes by the foods that might be a problem.

I'm sorry if I sound like a whiner. It's just that we have tried so much

and with so little result. I don't want to go and invest 100's of dollars

and make my son take loads of different stuff all at once to just have

another " no change " result.

What would be a good way to start more slowly and methodically?

Caroline

Re: Not seeing results

Hmmm... I sent a post but maybe it got lost in space somewhere!

Will try again...

I would suggest going to houston's enzymes and giving those a try

before you rule out enzymes completely. I would suggest using add'l

supplements like some liquid vitamins and minerals (brainchild's) and

something to fight off yeast/bacteria/viruses like Lauricidin (be

prepared for some die off with this!)... I would get some EFA's into

him for the sensory issues... I would get some magnesium and vitamin

C into him for the encopresis (lauricidin will help here too) and

also some sulfur-y based supplements. The sulfur stories list has a

list of supplements but something like L glutamine will probably help

the encopresis.

Do you do any brushing/joint compressions with him?

Look into Sea Buddies Concentrate! Focus Formula. Also consider

getting him to eat more raw fruits/veggies and less starchy carbs to

help with his low-engine and reduce the need to rev himself up

(hyper).

Look into metal analysis with a DDI hair test...

Look into Feingold www.Feingold.org and SCD www.pecanbread.com

Everything I mentioned was meant to help with one or more of the

issues you mentioned. If you want me to explain further, just ask.

:-)

W

> I hoping for some suggestions. I've been lurking a while. Some of

what

> I've seen on the list is over my head. Also, I'm just not sure how

> aggressively we need to pursue the issues.

>

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I'm going to put my comments in your text with ****preceding them.

Read thru till you see my signature...

> How do you tell what is helping if you start everything at once?

***** It's best to start one new thing at a time, allowing a few

weeks in between start times.

How do you

> pay for all of this stuff...on top of occupational therapy,

psychotherapy, > tutoring, etc.

******* Chelating Ethan was the biggest cost-saver we ever did. We

were spending about 400 a month on occupational therapy and about 700

a month on vision therapy. Chelating and supplements and diet (or

any combo of these) is much cheaper, IMO! Epsom salt baths are

probably the cheapest and easiest thing I suggested. Ethan reacted

badly to them at first (majority of kids react very positively right

away) but that can be adjusted by adjusting the amount and frequency

of the baths.

>

> Why do the Lauricidin unless you see yeast die off?

******* there does seem to be a viral component for ASD kiddo's. You

may notice this in the form of changes around illnesses. Especially

if they seem " better " when they are in a fever and then regress

somewhat right before and right after an illness. Lauricidin is an

antiviral which is the main reason why I wanted to start him on it--

to see if it had an effect. But he was also having some weird

bacteria or yeast problems in a cyclic (monthly) manner and it was

suggested to me to start Lauricidin by Conrad LeBeau who is very

knowledgeable about the gut. I think lauricidin is better than just

doing an antifungal treatment because I think you should also deal

with the bad bacteria,too, and lauricidin does do that. Think of it

this way... Ethan was doing alright this summer... just a little OCD

now and then a little impulsiveness now and then and having regular

stools every day. His height and weight are both above 75th

percentile... so no outward signs that he's having bad bacteria and

yeast. I give him four pellets of lauricidin and whoa-- he's a

mess! Stools are foul! Then he returns to normal. Keep him on four

pellets and then suddenly go to a full scoop of pellets and the next

day he was sooo much calmer and no more ocd thoughts or impulsivity.

So even though you do not see outward yeast issues right now, you

really can't judge that-- it's almost like you don't know how bad it

is until you see things really good. That's how it was with

chelating Ethan-- I saw how good things were getting, so when yeast

flared up, I knew it because I knew what to look for in him (decrease

eye contact, increase impulsivity, poor auditory skills...).

Does grapefruit seed

> work as well?

***** grapefruit seed extract wipes out both good and bad bacteria

and yeast, too. It is effective, but you cannot overuse it. The

child has to have a break from it now and then.

Massive doses or a smaller amount consistently?

**** When we used it, we did a drop or sometimes three drops per day,

for a few days on, and then stopped for a week or two or three.

>

> I don't do the brushing/joint compressions because my son is 8 and

already

> shows inappropriate boundaries.

****** what do you mean? Do you mean that he doesn't have a good

body bubble? The brushing/joint compressions would not adversely

impact this at all. Brushing is powerful in several ways-- one, it

is felt to retrain the pathways but two, brushing is also a

detoxification technique in spa's... it helps the lymph and fatty

tissues dump toxins. Email me at

maryw@...

if you want me to send you a writeup on brushing from a harvard.edu

website interspersed with some comments from me.

The OT thought that it would be better if

> my son would do his own compression stuff (rolling on a big therapy

ball,

> trampoline, climbing, etc.).

****** those things are good for sensory issues but the brushing

daily and joint compressions may be really good for him.

Unfortunately, he is resistant to doing much

> of anything, except playing with his Legos and Playmobile stuff or

watching > TV, when I let him.

****** again, I think the type of food he is eating, and a lack of

vitamins and minerals may be at play here... sounds very lethargic.

>

> I do try to get him to eat the raw fruits and veggies--but he is

addicted to

> the starchy carbs, of course.

******Of course!

I worry about too much fruit because I'm

> hypoglycemic (worry that he might be too) and vegetables are pretty

much

> force fed as a mandatory item with dinner.

****** Ask someone who is more knowledgeable about SCD than I am to

tell you whether or not the fruit would be a problem. My response is

that no it wouldn't be especially if you could get some protein

snacks in him at regular intervals through the day. Protein snacks

really help hypoglycemics.

> I rather start a bit more slowly...see some improvement and then

go from> there. Are the Houston enzymes really so much better?

****** My son has what appears to be an allergic reaction to enzyme

products so I can't speak from personal experience. When he was

first on them, before the reaction, yes, the difference was very

noticeable in how much better he was doing. The longer he stayed on

them the more red his lips became, etc. So for him it was an allergy

issue. Most kids just go through die off with the enzymes and then

you can get a good idea of whether it is helping or not. The Houston

Enzymes do have a very positive effect on a lot of kids, many of whom

had been on different enzyme brands before and their parents can see

the difference with the Houston enzymes.

If I don't see any

> improvement with them, am I barking up the wrong tree entirely?

******* No. Some kids cannot do enzymes and no dietary

changes...some kids need both enzymes and dietary changes...some need

enzymes and some supplements... everything you try is giving you a

clue about what is going on in your child's body. Every reaction

they have, positive, negative, or nil, is telling you something.

Sometimes timing is an issue. For a while, magnesium supplements

were making Ethan hyper-- NOT the expected response. If I had never

tried magnesium again, that would have been a mistake. By using

ojibwa tea of life, it helped detox his system enough and then he was

able to take magnesium without being hyper. So timing, not the

supplement, was the issue-- you may try Houston Enzymes now and see

no changes... but perhaps trying them again in a year or two may

yield changes after you've changed some other things for him.

>

> I'm sorry if I sound like a whiner. It's just that we have tried

so much

> and with so little result. I don't want to go and invest 100's of

dollars

> and make my son take loads of different stuff all at once to just

have

> another " no change " result.

******* I know. BUT as you have said, you are having to pay for all

kinds of therapy services that may not be needed once you figure out

what is causing the diagnosis/symptoms.

>

> What would be a good way to start more slowly and methodically?

****** If I were in your shoes, I would start with

Houston Enzymes

Epsom Salt baths

brushing/joint compressions

then stick with these for a while to see what changes you see

magnesium and vitamin C and essential fatty acids-- are really not

too expensive. You can get magnesium and vitamin C at the drugstore

for less than 10 dollars each... just make sure you get brands that

are free from colorings and allergens and yeast. EFA oils can run a

bit more... I would start with some flax oil and see if you see any

positive or negatives from that.

Brainchild Nutritionals vitamin and minerals

then see how things go for a while

Lauricidin...

see how things go for a while

I would not stress out too much about cost at this point. Yes, if

you were to start it all tomorrow--there would be a big cost output

but if we are talking six months to a year to try these things then

that is not going to be too hard. And you may see enough changes to

be satisfied for a while with just a few of the things mentioned.

Other people may mention other things too. THe point is, to save all

of these suggestions and just try things when you can. I heard about

lauricidin at least a year ago, but didn't try it right away. We can

put that pressure on ourselves to do it all right away, but

realistically, we do have to take things one step at a time, and give

yourself permission to do that! But just save the messages that you

see that talk about various products--some will turn out to be things

that don't apply but some will be real gems. Each child is different

and so you can only know by trying.

W

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You're great for giving all the info. I was hoping for the info. on the

brushing/joint compressions. Also, do I understand correctly that you can use

the Lauricidin and the Ojibwa tea at the same time? We had to momentarily stop

the Ojibwa Tea ( I hated that because it had brought us such great things) while

doing the Valtrex. Now that we may no longer be doing the Valtrex, I'd like to

broach Dr. Megson about the Lauricidin, and it's a bonus for us if we can return

to the tea. It's such a great gentle detox. Thank you again.

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I'm going to put my comments in your text with ****preceding them.

Read thru till you see my signature...

> How do you tell what is helping if you start everything at once?

***** It's best to start one new thing at a time, allowing a few

weeks in between start times.

How do you

> pay for all of this stuff...on top of occupational therapy,

psychotherapy, > tutoring, etc.

******* Chelating Ethan was the biggest cost-saver we ever did. We

were spending about 400 a month on occupational therapy and about 700

a month on vision therapy. Chelating and supplements and diet (or

any combo of these) is much cheaper, IMO! Epsom salt baths are

probably the cheapest and easiest thing I suggested. Ethan reacted

badly to them at first (majority of kids react very positively right

away) but that can be adjusted by adjusting the amount and frequency

of the baths.

>

> Why do the Lauricidin unless you see yeast die off?

******* there does seem to be a viral component for ASD kiddo's. You

may notice this in the form of changes around illnesses. Especially

if they seem " better " when they are in a fever and then regress

somewhat right before and right after an illness. Lauricidin is an

antiviral which is the main reason why I wanted to start him on it--

to see if it had an effect. But he was also having some weird

bacteria or yeast problems in a cyclic (monthly) manner and it was

suggested to me to start Lauricidin by Conrad LeBeau who is very

knowledgeable about the gut. I think lauricidin is better than just

doing an antifungal treatment because I think you should also deal

with the bad bacteria,too, and lauricidin does do that. Think of it

this way... Ethan was doing alright this summer... just a little OCD

now and then a little impulsiveness now and then and having regular

stools every day. His height and weight are both above 75th

percentile... so no outward signs that he's having bad bacteria and

yeast. I give him four pellets of lauricidin and whoa-- he's a

mess! Stools are foul! Then he returns to normal. Keep him on four

pellets and then suddenly go to a full scoop of pellets and the next

day he was sooo much calmer and no more ocd thoughts or impulsivity.

So even though you do not see outward yeast issues right now, you

really can't judge that-- it's almost like you don't know how bad it

is until you see things really good. That's how it was with

chelating Ethan-- I saw how good things were getting, so when yeast

flared up, I knew it because I knew what to look for in him (decrease

eye contact, increase impulsivity, poor auditory skills...).

Does grapefruit seed

> work as well?

***** grapefruit seed extract wipes out both good and bad bacteria

and yeast, too. It is effective, but you cannot overuse it. The

child has to have a break from it now and then.

Massive doses or a smaller amount consistently?

**** When we used it, we did a drop or sometimes three drops per day,

for a few days on, and then stopped for a week or two or three.

>

> I don't do the brushing/joint compressions because my son is 8 and

already

> shows inappropriate boundaries.

****** what do you mean? Do you mean that he doesn't have a good

body bubble? The brushing/joint compressions would not adversely

impact this at all. Brushing is powerful in several ways-- one, it

is felt to retrain the pathways but two, brushing is also a

detoxification technique in spa's... it helps the lymph and fatty

tissues dump toxins. Email me at

maryw@...

if you want me to send you a writeup on brushing from a harvard.edu

website interspersed with some comments from me.

The OT thought that it would be better if

> my son would do his own compression stuff (rolling on a big therapy

ball,

> trampoline, climbing, etc.).

****** those things are good for sensory issues but the brushing

daily and joint compressions may be really good for him.

Unfortunately, he is resistant to doing much

> of anything, except playing with his Legos and Playmobile stuff or

watching > TV, when I let him.

****** again, I think the type of food he is eating, and a lack of

vitamins and minerals may be at play here... sounds very lethargic.

>

> I do try to get him to eat the raw fruits and veggies--but he is

addicted to

> the starchy carbs, of course.

******Of course!

I worry about too much fruit because I'm

> hypoglycemic (worry that he might be too) and vegetables are pretty

much

> force fed as a mandatory item with dinner.

****** Ask someone who is more knowledgeable about SCD than I am to

tell you whether or not the fruit would be a problem. My response is

that no it wouldn't be especially if you could get some protein

snacks in him at regular intervals through the day. Protein snacks

really help hypoglycemics.

> I rather start a bit more slowly...see some improvement and then

go from> there. Are the Houston enzymes really so much better?

****** My son has what appears to be an allergic reaction to enzyme

products so I can't speak from personal experience. When he was

first on them, before the reaction, yes, the difference was very

noticeable in how much better he was doing. The longer he stayed on

them the more red his lips became, etc. So for him it was an allergy

issue. Most kids just go through die off with the enzymes and then

you can get a good idea of whether it is helping or not. The Houston

Enzymes do have a very positive effect on a lot of kids, many of whom

had been on different enzyme brands before and their parents can see

the difference with the Houston enzymes.

If I don't see any

> improvement with them, am I barking up the wrong tree entirely?

******* No. Some kids cannot do enzymes and no dietary

changes...some kids need both enzymes and dietary changes...some need

enzymes and some supplements... everything you try is giving you a

clue about what is going on in your child's body. Every reaction

they have, positive, negative, or nil, is telling you something.

Sometimes timing is an issue. For a while, magnesium supplements

were making Ethan hyper-- NOT the expected response. If I had never

tried magnesium again, that would have been a mistake. By using

ojibwa tea of life, it helped detox his system enough and then he was

able to take magnesium without being hyper. So timing, not the

supplement, was the issue-- you may try Houston Enzymes now and see

no changes... but perhaps trying them again in a year or two may

yield changes after you've changed some other things for him.

>

> I'm sorry if I sound like a whiner. It's just that we have tried

so much

> and with so little result. I don't want to go and invest 100's of

dollars

> and make my son take loads of different stuff all at once to just

have

> another " no change " result.

******* I know. BUT as you have said, you are having to pay for all

kinds of therapy services that may not be needed once you figure out

what is causing the diagnosis/symptoms.

>

> What would be a good way to start more slowly and methodically?

****** If I were in your shoes, I would start with

Houston Enzymes

Epsom Salt baths

brushing/joint compressions

then stick with these for a while to see what changes you see

magnesium and vitamin C and essential fatty acids-- are really not

too expensive. You can get magnesium and vitamin C at the drugstore

for less than 10 dollars each... just make sure you get brands that

are free from colorings and allergens and yeast. EFA oils can run a

bit more... I would start with some flax oil and see if you see any

positive or negatives from that.

Brainchild Nutritionals vitamin and minerals

then see how things go for a while

Lauricidin...

see how things go for a while

I would not stress out too much about cost at this point. Yes, if

you were to start it all tomorrow--there would be a big cost output

but if we are talking six months to a year to try these things then

that is not going to be too hard. And you may see enough changes to

be satisfied for a while with just a few of the things mentioned.

Other people may mention other things too. THe point is, to save all

of these suggestions and just try things when you can. I heard about

lauricidin at least a year ago, but didn't try it right away. We can

put that pressure on ourselves to do it all right away, but

realistically, we do have to take things one step at a time, and give

yourself permission to do that! But just save the messages that you

see that talk about various products--some will turn out to be things

that don't apply but some will be real gems. Each child is different

and so you can only know by trying.

W

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The more yeast, the higher the sensory issues here. Perhaps a combo of

probiotics in addition to the enzymes would facilitate faster results. If it

were my son I'd also use the Ojibwa tea, the burdock root and other 3 herbs do a

number on any number of bacteria, viruses, and fungus. Just something to look

into. Hope it helps.

Not seeing results

I hoping for some suggestions. I've been lurking a while. Some of what

I've seen on the list is over my head. Also, I'm just not sure how

aggressively we need to pursue the issues.

My 8 yo son is dx PDD-NOS. He has some of the Asperger's type

stuff--difficulty transitioning, whining & temper tantrums when things don't

go his way, etc. His main issues tend to be sensory integration

stuff--difficulty concentrating, tending to be " low " and stimming (hyper

behavior) in an attempt to get himself " even " , needing proprioceptive input,

etc. He also is encopretic and overweight.

All in all, his symptoms are not as bad as many kids, but enough that he

feels different and bad about himself more often than I would like.

I was hoping using the enzymes would help him with some of the sensory

issues. I was also hoping that the encopresis would improve and that his

weight would become more normal.

I tried him on a gluten free diet for a while (probably a year) but it

didn't seem to make much difference. Not enough to put him through the

feeling that he was deprived. We were seeing a physical therapist at the

time and according to her muscle testing, he was not intolerant of wheat.

I'm not sure I agreed with the results, but had trouble justifying keeping

him on the diet.

We've been using the Enzymetica " Digest Gold " --partially since I can get it

at the store and don't have organize timing on the mail order, etc. (maybe

laziness on my part). I'm not seeing any dramatic results from these

enzymes after a month or so. The encopresis might be a bit better but the

sensory issues seem to be about the same.

I'm not sure where I should go from here. I had very high hopes when I read

's book. Everything made so much sense to me. I thought because there

was the encopresis, that probably there were other gut things going on as

well. I have been disappointed not to see more results.

Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next?

Caroline Quintanilla

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> Caroline,

>

> Peptizyde is what really helped both my daughters¹ constipation. My AS

> daughter is almost 7 and also has benefited from extra magnesium and 5-htp.

> Cutting back a bit on the cow¹s milk has helped as well.

>

> Serena

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Yes, you can use lauricidin and ojibwa tea together-- I just would

not give them at the same time. Give the lauricidin at least an hour

away from the tea if possible.

Will send you the brushing protocol privately.

W

> You're great for giving all the info. I was hoping for the info. on

the brushing/joint compressions. Also, do I understand correctly that

you can use the Lauricidin and the Ojibwa tea at the same time? We

had to momentarily stop the Ojibwa Tea ( I hated that because it had

brought us such great things) while doing the Valtrex. Now that we

may no longer be doing the Valtrex, I'd like to broach Dr. Megson

about the Lauricidin, and it's a bonus for us if we can return to

the tea. It's such a great gentle detox. Thank you again.

>

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> I tried him on a gluten free diet for a while (probably a year) but it

> didn't seem to make much difference. Not enough to put him through the

> feeling that he was deprived.

It may be that he needed other food removals. Enzymes can help with that, many

times instead of food removals.

Try enzymes from one of these sources

http://www.houstonni.com/

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/

Dana

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> Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next?

Hi Caroline,

Try using the Houston enzymes - I know it's difficult with having to

time the order to prevent running out but it's really worth it!

My son is so improved, and little things continue to show up which

were unexpected. We attribute most of this to the enzymes.

When you use the enzymes make sure you

1. Match the enzyme to the food

2. Time the enzyme to BEFORE a meal (20 mins or so if in capsule,

immediately before or with the first bites if sprinkled out of the

capsule)

3. Use them with all meals, snacks etc.

HTH

Jaci, Australia

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> I hoping for some suggestions.

Hi Caroline,

I forgot to suggest treating for yeast and bacteria. Give good

probiotics, if he can tolerate them, while treating.

His encopresis should improve, if nothing else!

(I don't know about you but I read and re-read 's book - it's

fantastic and the more I read the more I learn. Seems to be layers

of information!)

Jaci, Australia

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Wondering if others see this advantage to testing, or are there some who feel

these tests are not all they claim to be?

>>.IMHO they are expensive, often unreliable and their usefulness if accurate

is dependent on anothers anility to correctly intrepret the results. False

negatives are common with stool tests for gut bugs :(

Having said that we did 4 non invasive tests when we started on the bimed

journey

CDSA with parasiteolgy (poop)

OAT (wee)

These two showed wildly differing results, however they proved to me my

seemingly healthy looking son wasn;t at all :(

Hair Test - highly recommned this one - Use DDI Hair elements - <A

HREF= " www.doctorsdata.com " >

www.doctorsdata.com</A>

Peptides - COMPLETE waste of time, inconclusive results and even

Sahttock himself will tell you, they are only guessing these peaks are peptides

Mandi in UK

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Thank You.

Re: Not seeing results

Yes, you can use lauricidin and ojibwa tea together-- I just would

not give them at the same time. Give the lauricidin at least an hour

away from the tea if possible.

Will send you the brushing protocol privately.

W

> You're great for giving all the info. I was hoping for the info. on

the brushing/joint compressions. Also, do I understand correctly that

you can use the Lauricidin and the Ojibwa tea at the same time? We

had to momentarily stop the Ojibwa Tea ( I hated that because it had

brought us such great things) while doing the Valtrex. Now that we

may no longer be doing the Valtrex, I'd like to broach Dr. Megson

about the Lauricidin, and it's a bonus for us if we can return to

the tea. It's such a great gentle detox. Thank you again.

>

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Far from an expert here, but an expert from another site did give me some advice

which made sense to me. She was stressing the usefulness in getting some basic

tests ran from one of the specialty labs, like Great Plains, for help in a

starting point. This seemed like a short cut to just testing out different

diets or supplements. It's just for my daughter I was having a hard time

determining the effectiveness of something like enzymes. Then I find out that

with enzymes as with some others getting worse before getting better is a good

sign; there are different kinds of enzymes; may need to vary the starting

amount; and if you have mold issues sometimes enzymes can not be tolerated.

These tests aren't cheap, but depending on insurance situations may help defer

the cost. I just sent off for some tests so will have to wait a few weeks to

see what they come up with and/or if they pan out for me.

Wondering if others see this advantage to testing, or are there some who feel

these tests are not all they claim to be?

Thanks,

Kari

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In a message dated 12/1/03 2:03:53 PM, uucamper@... writes:

<< Does anyone have suggestions on what to try next? >>

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Hi Mandi,

Thanks for your input. Was the CDSA and OAT tests you did from the same lab?

Sounds like even though they were totally different, what was there that gave

you a enough to prove all wasn't great inside for your son? I'm really thinking

my daughter has candida, and it just seems to make sense that something like

this could be determined. But I guess since some yeast in our body is normal,

so is the catch to this defining normalness or whether or not the test can

identify this? Her pediatrician gave her a urine test but from many sources I

was told that to give a child a urine test for yeast is merely a means to pacify

a pushy parent. It came back negative.

Great Plains is claiming to test an element called tartaric acid which can only

come from yeast. Anyone know this to be true and/or comments as to whether

something like this might prove to be conclusive?

Thanks again,

Kari

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These two showed wildly differing results, however they proved to me my

seemingly healthy looking son wasn;t at all :(

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Dear Caroline:

My son used the Digest Gold enzymes and did poorly. They have malt.

Currently, we use Kirkman. Many people like Houston. Have you read

the Body Ecology Diet? I know how it feels to be overwhelmed, but

little by little... Do you do the Feingold diet? We saw marked

results with this.

Jill

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<<Great Plains is claiming to test an element called tartaric acid

which can only

come from yeast. Anyone know this to be true and/or comments as to

whether

something like this might prove to be conclusive?>>

You can read about this and other Great Plains tests in the

book " Biological Treatments for Autism and PDD " written by Dr. Shaw

of Great Plains.

Deborah

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