Yogurt?

[Guest guest]

I see a lot of people writing about giving their kids (or themselves)

yogurt. Is is ok to give yogurt on a gfcf diet or are the people eating

it either not cf or are using enzymes? Is the casein broken down during

the process of making yogurt?

Thanks in advance,

Jim

[Guest guest]

At 03:57 PM 7/30/2004, you wrote:

>When you refer to yogurt, is it cows milk or goat?

>My son LOVES yogurt, I removed it from his diet over a year ago, but

>he really misses it, when they offer it to the other children at

>snack time, he begs and crys for it, but they know he can't have it

>or can he? Is this allowed on a GF/CF diet? I am a bit confused on

>this one.

If soy is not an issue soy yogurt is quite yummy (me and my boys love

it). Traditional diary yogurt is not allowed on GFCF as it would have some

casein but is allowed on SCD - but I think you need a special kind of

homemade yogurt on SCD...

- in LA

[Guest guest]

Yes, the SCD allows homemade yogurt from cow or goat milk. A number

of autism kids are doing quite well on both kinds, some with enzymes

and some without. Other kids are doing well on raw milk, both cow and

goat as well as cheeses made from these milks.

.

P.S. I get Dananimals...and Stonyfields is good...all natural kinds

without the additives.

[Guest guest]

Silk yogurt is ok on the cfgf diet. It is soy based and my kids love it.

THere are other brands of soy yogurt. The other yogurts I was told was not good

and is not on the diet....sorry. Try the silk, see what you think.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Holy no-no's. I had no idea. Great. I am super lost right now. We have

been gfcf and now I am learning about another diet. I am tired of being a

chemist.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the clarification. Soy does not agree with my son so

that is not an option for him. I live in the Netherlands and they

have an organic yogurt here that contains what they call 'biogarde

plus' basically it is a culture that consists of L. acidophilus, L.

casei and bifiodbacterium, the label says 78% - although to me that

seems to good to be true. I gave it to him today without enzymes

(they have not arrived yet) and he did not have any reaction to it.

In fact, we went to the beach today and decided to try a restaruant

because he was being so pleasant (we never go to restaurants with him-

we have tried in the past but as soon as we sit down he starts to act

out) and he was perfectly behaved, even my 6 year old was surprised.

After we left the restaurant my 6 year old wanted to ride the

carousel and my son joined him and did not want to get off when it

stopped (this is a real big step for him because in the last year he

has refused to ride the carosule and even tantrumed if we went near

it). He was happy to have the yogurt and I was happy to see his

reaction to it. Thanks for giving me the courage to try yogurt again.

> >>>> Would you recommend cow yogurt over soy?

>

> I would recommend whatever the person does best with. Really.

> Different diets work for different people because our bodies are

> different.

>

> Personally though, I think soy has as many limitions as benefits

and

> I am not even overly-sold on the touted benefits. Or the touted

evils

> of dairy. But that's me. Plus I think dairy tastes really good and

> soy tastes really bad...but again, that's just me.

>

> True mammal dairy is a different substance than juice from a

> vegetable (which is basically what all the milk substitutes are).

It

> has anti-microbial properties, different proteins, lactoferrin,

> minerals and other elements that a vegetable extract doesn't have.

>

> I don't know the nutritional difference or probiotic quality and

> quantity between dairy yogurts and vegetable-based yogurts. Or how

> well made kefir or miso-type foods compare. That would be

interesting

> to find out. But the health benefits of good dairy yogurt are well

> documented in studies as well as anecdotal/history records. This is

> the more 'real' or natural healthy dairy yogurts - not the ultra

> sweetened, hyper-processed, brightly colored, candie-rich things on

> many super-market shelves.

>

> But if someone cannot tolerate dairy for whatever reason, including

> personal philosophy, and does well with soy products, I am glad

they

> have something that works well for them.

>

> .

[Guest guest]

Gosh - this is the first time I've seen it spelled out WHY soy

is not supposed to be good for ASD kids. Why in the world is it

touted so much as being healthy for anyone? For instance in OTC

remedies for hot flashes and such?

The only soy my son gets on a semi-regular basis is Tofutti cheese

slices once or twice a week, and the soybean oil that his gluten free

chicken nuggets have. Is any amount bad? He eats so few things and

I was thrilled to get the Wellshire Farms chicken nuggets because he

chows down on them. I've tried several recipes to make them myself

and he just won't eat them.

I have bought goat milk yogurt made by a small farm in California

which he really liked for a while, but is less enthused with now

(after two weeks on vacation away from home - long story, but several

things are worse now than before we left). I just haven't had to

time to check to see if there's a local source of raw goat milk. He

is apparently still allergic to cow's milk, which he was as an infant

(eczema).

I've looked at the SCD site and could make the goat milk yogurt if

need be.

,

Would you recommend cow yogurt over soy?  We pretty much only use

soy around here, w/ the exception of things like cheese and butter. 

I think I might be brave enough to try some cows yogurt if it would

be healthier for my son than the soy. Thanks

> >   Yes, the SCD allows homemade yogurt from cow or goat milk. A

numberof autism kids are doing quite well on both kinds, some with

enzymes and some without. Other kids are doing well on raw milk, both

cowand goat as well as cheeses made from these milks.

  .

> >

> >

> >   P.S. I get Dananimals...and Stonyfields is good...all natural

kinds

> >   without the additives.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Well, the short answer is $$$

We spend almost $100 million a year promoting soy in this country.

There are countless public relations firms and lobbyists working for

the soy boards. You've got a crop which is cheap to grow in any

climate or soil, and has almost endless uses, from cheap fillers and

extenders to high-end " designer " foods such as Edamame. If you have

enough money, you can get all the " research " you need to back up your

product and advertise everywhere until you have created a huge demand

for this " miracle food " which allegedly prevents cancer, quells

menopausal symptoms, etc. In fact, soy has more anti-nutrients than

any other dietary staple. The isoflavones, which are touted for all of

their supposed health benefits, are extremely potent thyroid

inhibitors, and processing soy foods such as with soy milk actually

PRODUCES carcinogens. Still more money is spent smearing good quality

foods like milk, meat, butter and cheese. It's really a shame.

It doesn't sound like you are giving your son too much soy, but I would

always take a non-soy alternative if you can get him to eat it. The

small amounts he is consuming shouldn't be too much of a problem,

though. I completely understand how hard it is to find foods the kids

like. My daughter will not eat any meat at all, so protein consumption

is a bit of a challenge.

On Jul 31, 2004, at 5:47 PM, wrote:

> Gosh - this is the first time I've seen it spelled out WHY soy

> is not supposed to be good for ASD kids.  Why in the world is it

> touted so much as being healthy for anyone?  For instance in OTC

> remedies for hot flashes and such?

>

> The only soy my son gets on a semi-regular basis is Tofutti cheese

> slices once or twice a week, and the soybean oil that his gluten free

> chicken nuggets have.  Is any amount bad?  He eats so few things and

> I was thrilled to get the Wellshire Farms chicken nuggets because he

> chows down on them.  I've tried several recipes to make them myself

> and he just won't eat them.

>

> I have bought goat milk yogurt made by a small farm in California

> which he really liked for a while, but is less enthused with now

> (after two weeks on vacation away from home - long story, but several

> things are worse now than before we left).  I just haven't had to

> time to check to see if there's a local source of raw goat milk.  He

> is apparently still allergic to cow's milk, which he was as an infant

> (eczema).

>

> I've looked at the SCD site and could make the goat milk yogurt if

> need be.

>

>

>

>

> ,

>   Would you recommend cow yogurt over soy?  We pretty much only use

> soy around here, w/ the exception of things like cheese and butter. 

> I think I might be brave enough to try some cows yogurt if it would

> be healthier for my son than the soy.  Thanks 

>

> > >    Yes, the SCD allows homemade yogurt from cow or goat milk. A

> numberof autism kids are doing quite well on both kinds, some with

> enzymes and some without. Other kids are doing well on raw milk, both

> cowand goat as well as cheeses made from these milks.

>

>     .

> > >

> > >

> > >    P.S. I get Dananimals...and Stonyfields is good...all natural

> kinds

> > >    without the additives.

> > >

> > > 

[Guest guest]

,

My daughter does well on 24 to 30 -hour cow and goat yogurt which I

make myself. She also can have raw cow's milk products as they retain

their enzymes and do not tax her system. I never give her pasteurized

or homogenized dairy. All the nutrients have been cancelled out by the

processing. If you can get undenatured whey protein, and your son can

tolerate it, this is the absolute best from of protein you can give

him. That's how I get the requisite amount of protein into my

daughter. We use a vanilla flavored undenatured whey powder and I mix

it into her yogurt and cereal, etc. There are several excellent brands

out there with no soy whatsoever in them.

On Aug 1, 2004, at 5:03 PM, wrote:

> Thanks for the reply .  My son would happily eat regular dairy

> anything, but is not supposed to (GFCF, etc.)  We were out of town

> for two weeks recently and I let him eat whatever he would (with

> Houston enzymes) and his poops and behavior noticeably deteriorated

> (which I suppose could be attributed to even just the traveling).  He

> had a bowl of Cheerios and regular milk one day and was happy as

> could be - and had a hideous diaper the next day

>

> Can your daughter eat regular dairy - you may have mentioned earlier,

> sorry if I missed it.  I understand what you mean about the protein

> thing.  My son eats only chicken, and only in nugget form.  He used

> to eat other things, but no more.  He would probably happily eat a

> smoothie in the morning, but I think most protein powders are soy-

> based, aren't they?

>

>

>

>

>   If you have

> > enough money, you can get all the " research " you need to back up

> your product and advertise everywhere until you have created a huge

> demand for this " miracle food " which allegedly prevents cancer,

> quells  menopausal symptoms, etc.  In fact, soy has more anti-

> nutrients than  any other dietary staple.  The isoflavones, which are

> touted for all of  their supposed health benefits, are extremely

> potent thyroid  inhibitors, and processing soy foods such as with soy

> milk actually  PRODUCES carcinogens.  Still more money is spent

> smearing good quality  foods like milk, meat, butter and cheese. 

> It's really a shame.

>

> It doesn't sound like you are giving your son too much soy, but I

> would always take a non-soy alternative if you can get him to eat

> it.  The small amounts he is consuming shouldn't be too much of a

> problem,  though.  I completely understand how hard it is to find

> foods the kids  like.  My daughter will not eat any meat at all, so

> protein consumption  is a bit of a challenge.

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