Re: 2 weeks on enzymes...not working?

[Guest guest]

>> About 12 midnight he woke up that he needed

> water and then started coughing, which then resulted in him throwing

> up. So Im guessing that this enzymes didnt work? Any suggestions?

For me, I need to use Pep and No-Fenol together for milk foods. I can

eat small amounts, but not for example a bowl of cereal or something

similar. Milk causes me to cough violently, especially in the

evening, plus major asthma. I use Primatene plus a nasal spray when

that happens. But small amounts of milk products are okay with

enzymes.

> I have also noticed that although he is still hyper he is asking for

> sweets (which he never has flat out asked for)

This can be a sign of yeast.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

or wants bread or

> tortillas like crazy. Should I continue and try later, or is this a

> sign that enzymes are not going to work for his dairy allergy?

My kids can have milk products again, even tho I still have some

problems. You might consider chelation

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> For me, I need to use Pep and No-Fenol together for milk foods. I

can

> eat small amounts, but not for example a bowl of cereal or

something

> similar. Milk causes me to cough violently, especially in the

> evening, plus major asthma.

This might be the case for him though. I have thought about

purchasing the No-Fenol but didnt know if I needed to try the other 2

first and then add no-fenol. Honestly I cant tell a difference with

any of them yet.

>

> > I have also noticed that although he is still hyper he is asking

for

> > sweets (which he never has flat out asked for)

>

>

> This can be a sign of yeast.

>

> http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

I read this sight and wow, that sounds so hard to do. I guess

knowing where to start is my hardest part. So I elminate all sugar

foods and treat with probotics, or do I get a yeast test done to see

if that the case, or do I just give digestive enzymes on top of

probotics and watch his sugar intake and go from there. Im really

clueless when it comes to this stuff!

>

>

My kids can have milk products again, even tho I still have some

problems. You might consider chelation

>

> http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

What were symptoms that your children had to be taken off dairy

products, what it an immediate reaction or was it behavior changes?

I also read about the chelation, same questions ont his, your article

mentions tackling the yeast first then going to this. UGH, I fell

like im going to have an anxiety attack, it feels all so

overwhelming,a nd it feels like everything i have tried for the last

year, nothing is working! Going dairy free has produced some

improvments but not enough to say WOW! Im not seeing any

improvements with the enzymes (although im not giving up) and now

looking into these 2 other things seems overwhelming to me! SORRY, I

got carried away! Thank you for the quick response, I needed that

this morning! I called my son's neurologist to see if he would

prescribe nystatin (still awaiting his call).

> Good luck.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

Thats what Im thinking now..and hey if all I get out of it is more

eggs than thats okay with him, he likes them so much anyway.

> Enzymes do not work to eliminate " true " allergy (IgE mediated).

> Dairy should probably still be eliminated form your child's diet.

> Enzymes just might help with the eggs and beef...and red ears.

>

>

> 2 weeks on enzymes...not working?

>

>

> > Hi, Saturday was 2 weeks on Peptizyde and HP Zyme Prime at every

> > meal, so last night we tried pizza. My son showed a high IGE to

> > dairy products and a high IGg to eggs and beef. We have been

diary

> > free for 6 months now. His reactions to diary are more hyperness

and

> > congestion (mostly at night, causing him to gag and throw up).

> > Anyway, I gave him 2 peptizyde and 1 HP ZP and he ate away, no red

> > ears, no immediate reactions such as increase hyperness etc. He

was

> > SO excited about eating it, and kept asking me over an over does

this

> > have milk (he is 6). About 12 midnight he woke up that he needed

> > water and then started coughing, which then resulted in him

throwing

> > up. So Im guessing that this enzymes didnt work? Any

suggestions?

> > I have also noticed that although he is still hyper he is asking

for

> > sweets (which he never has flat out asked for) or wants bread or

> > tortillas like crazy. Should I continue and try later, or is

this a

> > sign that enzymes are not going to work for his dairy allergy?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Enzymes do not work to eliminate " true " allergy (IgE mediated).

> Dairy should probably still be eliminated form your child's diet.

> Enzymes just might help with the eggs and beef...and red ears.

>

>

I did also noticed that I make choc/oatmeal cookies from the store

and they said they had some dairy product in it and I gave him

enzymes before he ate them and it didnt cause a problem could be in

small amounts are tolerable. But it makes since. I think im going

to try the no-fenol next to see what it does to his processed food

intake.

[Guest guest]

Enzymes do not work to eliminate " true " allergy (IgE mediated).

Dairy should probably still be eliminated form your child's diet.

Enzymes just might help with the eggs and beef...and red ears.

2 weeks on enzymes...not working?

> Hi, Saturday was 2 weeks on Peptizyde and HP Zyme Prime at every

> meal, so last night we tried pizza. My son showed a high IGE to

> dairy products and a high IGg to eggs and beef. We have been diary

> free for 6 months now. His reactions to diary are more hyperness and

> congestion (mostly at night, causing him to gag and throw up).

> Anyway, I gave him 2 peptizyde and 1 HP ZP and he ate away, no red

> ears, no immediate reactions such as increase hyperness etc. He was

> SO excited about eating it, and kept asking me over an over does this

> have milk (he is 6). About 12 midnight he woke up that he needed

> water and then started coughing, which then resulted in him throwing

> up. So Im guessing that this enzymes didnt work? Any suggestions?

> I have also noticed that although he is still hyper he is asking for

> sweets (which he never has flat out asked for) or wants bread or

> tortillas like crazy. Should I continue and try later, or is this a

> sign that enzymes are not going to work for his dairy allergy?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Two weeks is sort of early for challenges. I took not only 's book, but

several others to heart with regard to the challenges, and two months is about

what is recommended. I think even with the enzymes it depends on how much gut

healing took place prior. We were GFCF for more than two years before using

enzymes. Some people can use enzymes and challenge immediately, others can't.

Doesn't necessarily mean the enzymes don't work. Another thing to consider is

that once the gluten and casein issues are addressed, oftentimes other food

issues that weren't noticeable before, become very noticeable. For us it would

be phenols that turned out to be the last major food offenders. If you would

have asked me two years ago if tomatoes hurt ph I would have said " of course

not " . However, after watching ph carefully for signs and weeding other food

and preservative offenders out, I discovered that tomatoes and other highly

phenolic foods were problematic. Here's the thing with pizza. You just don't

know every ingredient in it. We still haven't challenged with pizza for this

very reason. No Fenol might help with the digestion of the pizza, but your

mentioning of craving breads was very similar to ph four years ago. I could

put that kid in the grocery basket and he never asked for toys or candy ( of

course the poor kid couldn't talk) but he would grunt like mad for bread. He

could eat a whole loaf while I grocery shopped. I think a yeast overgrowth issue

is at work. Be wary of the things they crave. I stopped the Captain Crunch

cereal for that very reason. When we challenged with it, he craved it morning

noon and night. After a couple of days on it he was a monster with red cheeks.

Turned out to be the BHT in it, but it really reinforced my belief to be wary

when they are craving things.

2 weeks on enzymes...not working?

Hi, Saturday was 2 weeks on Peptizyde and HP Zyme Prime at every

meal, so last night we tried pizza. My son showed a high IGE to

dairy products and a high IGg to eggs and beef. We have been diary

free for 6 months now. His reactions to diary are more hyperness and

congestion (mostly at night, causing him to gag and throw up).

Anyway, I gave him 2 peptizyde and 1 HP ZP and he ate away, no red

ears, no immediate reactions such as increase hyperness etc. He was

SO excited about eating it, and kept asking me over an over does this

have milk (he is 6). About 12 midnight he woke up that he needed

water and then started coughing, which then resulted in him throwing

up. So Im guessing that this enzymes didnt work? Any suggestions?

I have also noticed that although he is still hyper he is asking for

sweets (which he never has flat out asked for) or wants bread or

tortillas like crazy. Should I continue and try later, or is this a

sign that enzymes are not going to work for his dairy allergy?

[Guest guest]

Enzymes do not work for our kids' dairy allergy.

Their reactions are better, but not gone. They have been on enzymes for

years.................

-GA

Should I continue and try later, or is this a

sign that enzymes are not going to work for his dairy allergy?

[Guest guest]

somebody explain bht to me please. i need to start looking for this on

labels and looking for reactions. we sare still in the process of finding out

what

foods arre challenges for my son.

kelly

[Guest guest]

> This might be the case for him though. I have thought about

> purchasing the No-Fenol but didnt know if I needed to try the other

2

> first and then add no-fenol. Honestly I cant tell a difference with

> any of them yet.

It might be another food/supplement he does not tolerate. For my son,

the nitrates in the sausage/pepperoni of the pizza would set him off,

not the cheese.

> I read this sight and wow, that sounds so hard to do.

For my kids, I reduced sugars, not eliminated it, and used GSE. This

worked for us. So you don't need to do ALL of it, just figure out

what will work for your child.

I guess

> knowing where to start is my hardest part. So I elminate all sugar

> foods and treat with probotics, or do I get a yeast test done to see

> if that the case, or do I just give digestive enzymes on top of

> probotics and watch his sugar intake and go from there. Im really

> clueless when it comes to this stuff!

It is all experimentation for me. You can start wherever you think

might be most beneficial for your child.

> What were symptoms that your children had to be taken off dairy

> products, what it an immediate reaction or was it behavior changes?

At first, my son did not show an immediate reaction to anything. Now

sometimes he does. I removed milk because " it was advised by many

people " . I did not see immediate changes, but eventually I did see

some changes, primarily that he began sleeping thru the night. Now he

can have milk, even without enzymes, altho if he gets too much, it

will cause major ear wax for him.

> I also read about the chelation, same questions ont his, your

article

> mentions tackling the yeast first then going to this. UGH, I fell

> like im going to have an anxiety attack, it feels all so

> overwhelming,a nd it feels like everything i have tried for the last

> year, nothing is working!

Seems that way for my son. We finished round 72 last weekend, which

for most kids would probably be more rounds than necessary, but my son

is still showing major improvements. It is upsetting to me sometimes,

to think just exactly how metal toxic he must have been.

Nothing I have done has produced major improvements until just

recently. I think he was so metal toxic that the metals were masking

any major improvements.

Going dairy free has produced some

> improvments but not enough to say WOW! Im not seeing any

> improvements with the enzymes (although im not giving up) and now

> looking into these 2 other things seems overwhelming to me! SORRY,

I

> got carried away!

Remember that I have been working on healing my son for four years,

and I am still not done yet. If you are just starting, it does seem

overwhelming. Just choose one area to work on, then move on to the

next one.

Dana

[Guest guest]

For my kids, I reduced sugars, not eliminated it, and used GSE. This

worked for us. So you don't need to do ALL of it, just figure out

what will work for your child.

What's GSE???

Seems that way for my son. We finished round 72 last weekend, which

for most kids would probably be more rounds than necessary, but my

son is still showing major improvements. It is upsetting to me

sometimes, to think just exactly how metal toxic he must have been.

Nothing I have done has produced major improvements until just

recently. I think he was so metal toxic that the metals were masking

any major improvements.

Did you test him first, or just suspected it and tried the chelating?

Remember that I have been working on healing my son for four years,

and I am still not done yet. If you are just starting, it does seem

overwhelming. Just choose one area to work on, then move on to the

next one.

Thanks Dana for your advice and quick responses. Im taking a deep

breath and working on tackling one thing at a time. I think my

problem is that im in too much of a hurry, he starts kinder in the

fall and I want so bad for him to start without having to fall back

on medication, and show those at the school district that he is fully

capable of doing what he needs to do at school, without excessive

hyperness and moving around!!

[Guest guest]

> For my kids, I reduced sugars, not eliminated it, and used GSE.

This

> worked for us. So you don't need to do ALL of it, just figure out

> what will work for your child.

>

> What's GSE???

GrapeFRUIT seed extract. More info about it on my yeast page

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

>

> Seems that way for my son. We finished round 72 last weekend, which

> for most kids would probably be more rounds than necessary, but my

> son is still showing major improvements. It is upsetting to me

> sometimes, to think just exactly how metal toxic he must have been.

> Nothing I have done has produced major improvements until just

> recently. I think he was so metal toxic that the metals were

masking

> any major improvements.

>

> Did you test him first, or just suspected it and tried the

chelating?

I have not done any testing for my son. No doctor wanted anything to

do with him because of his dx. So I learned everything on my own.

Everything I have done with my kids has been OTC. I tried ALA

chelation because I did not see much improvement with other things. I

guess I got lucky, he no longer qualifies as autistic.

Just keep searching until you find what YOUR child needs.

>

>

> Remember that I have been working on healing my son for four years,

> and I am still not done yet. If you are just starting, it does seem

> overwhelming. Just choose one area to work on, then move on to the

> next one.

>

> Thanks Dana for your advice and quick responses. Im taking a deep

> breath and working on tackling one thing at a time.

Good

>> I think my

> problem is that im in too much of a hurry,

I was in a hurry also. My son did not cooperate LOL. But I can sure

relate to wanting things NOW!

he starts kinder in the

> fall and I want so bad for him to start without having to fall back

> on medication, and show those at the school district that he is

fully

> capable of doing what he needs to do at school, without excessive

> hyperness and moving around!!

Hyper is many times related to phenols and/or yeast, so you are

probably on the right track

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

I have other ideas, but those are the primary ones.

Good luck.

Dana