RE: O/T More Chelation....now sulphate

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In a message dated 22/1/03 4:24:03 am, val@... writes:

>

> If your daughter has a high plasma cysteine, you should actually limit the

> sulfur intake. Maybe you would like to try a low sulfur diet for a week or

> so

> and see what's happening.

>

Would that mean also not giving mag sulphate baths?

Could you do the reverse test, give tons of baths and sulphur containing food

and see what happens?

Okay, more general now. I still don't understand the whole sulphur issue.

We know that some bacterias are sulphur reducing. They make the sulphur

transferase system even more debilitated. If you eat a lot of sulphur foods

it won't actually make any difference if you are low on cystein, which is an

amino acid which is the precursor of sulphate. However, I've read that

cystein is potentially toxic and spontaneously catabolized in the GI tract.

Cystine is more stable, but I still don't understand if it is good or bad,

only that you can't produce glutathione inter-cellularly without it.

have never supplemented glutathione or MSM because I'm still too ignorant and

don't understand, a condition that remains chronic despite much attempt at

learning.

Any ideas anyone? I'd like to understand more on sulphur. After all, it

is the sulfation system that detoxes phenols and amines. Please feel free

to contradict everything I've said about sulphur / cystein and cystine as I

am very shake in my knowledge.

Marti

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In a message dated 22/1/03 9:26:23 am, alevin@... writes:

> sulphur mobilises mercury so if there is a high tissue level of

> mercury then it is sprung and can resettle to do more damage.

>

So does that have any practical day-to-day repercussions for you, , in

limiting sulphur rich foods, like meat including poultry, eggs, fish,

legumes, milk? Also, garlic.

I don't think I would want to reduce or get rid of all the above in Nicky's

diet! Except the garlic, which I've read has some drawbacks for ASD kids.

Marti

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sulphur mobilises mercury so if there is a high tissue level of

mercury then it is sprung and can resettle to do more damage.

>

> In a message dated 22/1/03 4:24:03 am, val@t... writes:

>

>

> >

> > If your daughter has a high plasma cysteine, you should actually

limit the

> > sulfur intake. Maybe you would like to try a low sulfur diet for

a week or

> > so

> > and see what's happening.

> >

>

> Would that mean also not giving mag sulphate baths?

>

> Could you do the reverse test, give tons of baths and sulphur

containing food

> and see what happens?

>

> Okay, more general now. I still don't understand the whole

sulphur issue.

> We know that some bacterias are sulphur reducing. They make the

sulphur

> transferase system even more debilitated. If you eat a lot of

sulphur foods

> it won't actually make any difference if you are low on cystein,

which is an

> amino acid which is the precursor of sulphate. However, I've read

that

> cystein is potentially toxic and spontaneously catabolized in the

GI tract.

> Cystine is more stable, but I still don't understand if it is good

or bad,

> only that you can't produce glutathione inter-cellularly without

it.

>

> have never supplemented glutathione or MSM because I'm still too

ignorant and

> don't understand, a condition that remains chronic despite much

attempt at

> learning.

>

> Any ideas anyone? I'd like to understand more on sulphur. After

all, it

> is the sulfation system that detoxes phenols and amines. Please

feel free

> to contradict everything I've said about sulphur / cystein and

cystine as I

> am very shake in my knowledge.

>

> Marti

>

>

>

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In a message dated 22/1/03 2:01:43 pm, vyer@... writes:

> What's the drawback with garlic?  Garlic and biocidin was the stuff that

> finally worked on 's yeast, and we include it in all kinds of food he

> eats.

>

>

Garlic has an enzyme called cyclooxygenase needed for B-oxidation of long

chain fatty acids. It may not be active if the garlic is cooked?

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I typed it wrong. What I meant to say was that garlic suppresses an

enzyme called cyclooxygenase, needed for B-oxidation of long chain fatty

acids. Suppresses, not has in it. Oh dear. Sorry.

Also, of course garlic is very good for most people. It's just that some

kids on the spectrum build up VLCFA. So for them, maybe not.

i'm not telling anyone to give up garlic. I was just saying that it is

easily avoided, while eggs, meat, poultry, is not.

Glad you caught my mistake.

marti

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> sulphur mobilises mercury so if there is a high tissue level of

> mercury then it is sprung and can resettle to do more damage.

So does that have any practical day-to-day repercussions for you, , in

limiting sulphur rich foods, like meat including poultry, eggs, fish,

legumes, milk? Also, garlic.

Just a thought - most of these sulphur rich foods are ones my AS husband has

refused to eat since age 5 (previously ate everything and anything), when

something (possibly Measles vaccine) triggered " eating disorders " as his first

noticeable syptom. Could this have been a natural response to mercury toxicity

with the body not wanting to mobilise the mercury?

Lucy

UK

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I typed it wrong.  What I meant to say was that garlic suppresses an

enzyme called cyclooxygenase, needed for B-oxidation of long chain fatty

acids.  Suppresses, not has in it. Oh dear. Sorry.

Also, of course garlic is very good for most people.  It's just that some

kids on the spectrum build up VLCFA.  So for them, maybe not.

i'm not telling  anyone to give up garlic.  I was just saying that it is

easily avoided, while eggs, meat, poultry, is not.

Glad you caught my mistake. 

[Guest guest]

Marti wrote:

" So does that have any practical day-to-day repercussions for you, ,

in

limiting sulphur rich foods, like meat including poultry, eggs, fish,

legumes, milk? Also, garlic.

I don't think I would want to reduce or get rid of all the above in Nicky's

diet! Except the garlic, which I've read has some drawbacks for ASD kids. "

What's the drawback with garlic? Garlic and biocidin was the stuff that

finally worked on 's yeast, and we include it in all kinds of food he

eats.

[Guest guest]

You can get a red blood cell membrane fatty acids test. Make sure it is red

blood cell membrane and not just a blood test for EFA's. Then you need

someone to interpret it. I like Dr. Kane. You can get to her at

www.bodybio.com. There's a list of doctors who you can go through to get

this test. I'm doing another for Nicky in a couple of months. the last

one was MOST interesting...

Marti

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Marti wrote:

" Garlic has an enzyme called cyclooxygenase needed for B-oxidation of long

chain fatty acids. It may not be active if the garlic is cooked? "

Somebody will have to clarify this for me. A brief search on the Internet

seems to show overwhelming support for the health benefits of garlic.

According to this website:

http://www.willner.com/References/webref21.htm

raw garlic inhibits cyclooxygenase (COX) activity, which seems to be a

*good* thing, at least for sufferers of cancer and arthritis. It seems that

COX is implicated in the production of fever, inflammation, and pain.

Inhibiting it will - I suppose - work a little bit like aspirin does.

See also:

http://emedicine.com/med/topic3096.htm

[Guest guest]

So, is there a standard test to check for buildup of VLCFA (which I assume

means very long chain fatty acids)?

Re: O/T More Chelation....now sulphate

Sorry, I typed it wrong.  What I meant to say was that garlic suppresses an

enzyme called cyclooxygenase, needed for B-oxidation of long chain fatty

acids.  Suppresses, not has in it. Oh dear. Sorry.

Also, of course garlic is very good for most people.  It's just that some

kids on the spectrum build up VLCFA.  So for them, maybe not.

i'm not telling  anyone to give up garlic.  I was just saying that it is

easily avoided, while eggs, meat, poultry, is not.

Glad you caught my mistake. 

[Guest guest]

its a catch 22, you need the sulphur....

you really are quite toxic if you can't handle sulphur........

your husband may have a spectrum of heavy metala including lead

i don't know what you do, lead releases from the bones for years....

you just follow the directions you are making progress, get any

amalgams out.....

i think my approach is to let the heavy metals naturally dissociate

(thats is the heavy metals come apart form the organic structure it

is incorporated in) and pick it up through metals transport

enhancement minerals. selenium is proably a tad more aggressive than

that.

> > sulphur mobilises mercury so if there is a high tissue level of

> > mercury then it is sprung and can resettle to do more damage.

> So does that have any practical day-to-day repercussions for you,

, in

> limiting sulphur rich foods, like meat including poultry, eggs,

fish,

> legumes, milk? Also, garlic.

>

> Just a thought - most of these sulphur rich foods are ones my AS

husband has refused to eat since age 5 (previously ate everything and

anything), when something (possibly Measles vaccine)

triggered " eating disorders " as his first noticeable syptom. Could

this have been a natural response to mercury toxicity with the body

not wanting to mobilise the mercury?

>

> Lucy

> UK

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