Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Hi I guess flat might be a good description of the last few months but then apart from being suicidal I meet all possible criteria for clinical deprssion. I was only one inch away from starting the paroxetine again (trying to block s comments out LOL) and I deceided to give the enzymes a go (cost issues, low budget stopped me before) and then I had that amazing 36 hours which was way better. Just trying to figure what is was that did that. Maybe the Pep is getting at the yeast now. Probably not taking enough time and sorting it all out. My moneys on the EP bath but I have run out and can't more until tomorrow, I'll try again Weds - my day off and do it in the early AM, can't be doing with still being up at 3.00am again now I'm back at work. Please try not to laugh........I think the best I felt with supps was with the over 40 pack from QVC LOL. Maybe I should just take those again until my minds in better order, I can cope with figuring Sams but doing both is hard work. Been looking at iherb today, sure wish we had one of these in UK, but lots sneak copper and other stuff. I think even with shipping and potential import duties it would still be cheaper to order from them. Money doesn't cure but it would at least make choosing supps easier. MAnd in UK > How do you feel taking the inorganic? Does it make > you feel flat? > > P > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Hi Its indivdiual little daily packs containing a multi vit/min and then separates of Calcium (600mg carbonate), one CLO cap, one EPO and an odourless garlic capsule. The vit/min does contain Iron (as ferrous sulphate18mg) and Copper (as cupric oxide2mg v 15mg zinc). Just noticing also some Boron as citrate 150mcg. Mad MAndi in UK > work. Please try not to > > laugh........I think the best I felt with supps was with the over > 40 pack > > from QVC LOL. > > > > > > > > > if its a tablet you can try cutting it down...but if it works... > > some of these multi vitamins that are resonably based on the rda will > keep a mercury toxic person going... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 work. Please try not to > laugh........I think the best I felt with supps was with the over 40 pack > from QVC LOL. > > > > > if its a tablet you can try cutting it down...but if it works... some of these multi vitamins that are resonably based on the rda will keep a mercury toxic person going... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Dear MAnd in UK, I had severe clinical depression 1.5 year ago, I went to a psychologist, it is very expensive, but I had no choice, I lost all connections to life. It was partially triggered by my sons dx and his problems, but there were lots of other factors. I tried to take Zoloft, but after the first pill I had cold chills and such strong reoccurring palpitations that I had to stop at once. I never took any other drug apart from a sleeping pill (which I had to gradually come off after a while, it was addictive) because I also had severe general anxiety disorder, one of these did not let me fall asleep, the other woke me early even if I fell asleep, so I was living on 2-4 hours sleep for many months. I had to attend my kids, my husband did not support me emotionally, he took the 'you can not afford this, why do you do this' attitude. I was also working full time, never lost even a day of work. It felt like swimming in a wild river only the tip of my head out. I healed myself with the help of my great psychologist. He gave me his time, well over what I payed for, he even allowed me to call him on his overseas holiday. What helped was several methods. Firstly he taught me to be a better parent with teaching me how not to respond to whining, tantruming and other negative behaviours. It worked with my then 6 yo AS son, not so much with my then 14 y o NT daughter. He based his teaching on the STEP method. Then he taught me how to control my feelings with the power of my thoughts. Self help book is called 'Choose to be happy' by a new zeland author (I think). It is totally possible to learn the technics on your own. I also had an outpour of all the earlier things, childhood hurts and injuries, etc leading into a kind of analysis. I also followed the book 'Homecoming' by Bradshaw, I did it with minimal support from my therapist, I even did my own self hypnosis sessions alone. I started running every day (exercise has two benefits, it is a natural 'breathing therapy' and also raises serotonin levels). I am a strong believer now that depression can be faught without drugs and even without supplements, although I must admit that it is a very bumpy road, and while you are on it, you do not see the end, and it is a LOT OF HARD WORK. I would still choose it over drugs. If you choose the hard work, you choose psychological growth. I do not deny that there may be other people for whom it is totally biomedical as opposed to psychological, and that there are people for whom drugs may be needed, but I feel other options could be considered first. All the best, and hang out there, you are definitely part of this life here, you belong here and you are needed. Elvira Melbourne Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Hi Elvira Thanks for the encouraging words. Oh ^ & *(^ & I just remebered I forgot to buy some espom salts for another try at the bath. Anyway, to all intents and purposes I 'manage' quite well I think and thats part of the problem, as is my diet, consumption of beer and lack of exercise. I 've cut the beer down to one small glass per day (200mls) so thats a start, drastically reduced my sugar intake (most of was beer anyway) and think right now, what with adding the enzymes, I'm going through die off. It will take longer going slower but at least I can still function (unlike the time I OD'd myself on the GSE LOL). I work 9 hour days, the first 5 without a break so its kind of tough, especially with having probs going back to sleep after chelation doses at the weekends. I'm nearly 44, overweight with 8, 7 and 6 year olds, I have simply GOT to get fit and healthy myself but I kind of used up all my brain power with sorting out Sam. Good job I have a brilliant house husband, so I don't have to cook and clean, just work, play with kids, sit on the computer and try to be scientist, doctor, nutritionist, teacher and mum LOL. Still I do 'LOL' and I'm sure I'm not alone, I think with me its likely to be biological in cause but you reminded I should ring my good friend Janice who is a counsellor - thanks again MAndi in UK > I had severe clinical depression 1.5 year ago, I went to a psychologist, it > is very expensive, but I had no choice, I lost all connections to life. It > was partially triggered by my sons dx and his problems, but there were lots > of other factors. > > I tried to take Zoloft, but after the first pill I had cold chills and such > strong reoccurring palpitations that I had to stop at once. I never took > any > other drug apart from a sleeping pill (which I had to gradually come off > after a while, it was addictive) because I also had severe general anxiety > disorder, one of these did not let me fall asleep, the other woke me early > even if I fell asleep, so I was living on 2-4 hours sleep for many months. > I > had to attend my kids, my husband did not support me emotionally, he took > the 'you can not afford this, why do you do this' attitude. I was also > working full time, never lost even a day of work. It felt like swimming in > a > wild river only the tip of my head out. > > I healed myself with the help of my great psychologist. He gave me his > time, > well over what I payed for, he even allowed me to call him on his overseas > holiday. > > What helped was several methods. Firstly he taught me to be a better parent > with teaching me how not to respond to whining, tantruming and other > negative behaviours. It worked with my then 6 yo AS son, not so much with > my > then 14 y o NT daughter. He based his teaching on the STEP method. > > Then he taught me how to control my feelings with the power of my thoughts. > Self help book is called 'Choose to be happy' by a new zeland author (I > think). It is totally possible to learn the technics on your own. > > I also had an outpour of all the earlier things, childhood hurts and > injuries, etc leading into a kind of analysis. > > I also followed the book 'Homecoming' by Bradshaw, I did it with > minimal support from my therapist, I even did my own self hypnosis sessions > alone. > > I started running every day (exercise has two benefits, it is a natural > 'breathing therapy' and also raises serotonin levels). > > I am a strong believer now that depression can be faught without drugs and > even without supplements, although I must admit that it is a very bumpy > road, and while you are on it, you do not see the end, and it is a LOT OF > HARD WORK. I would still choose it over drugs. If you choose the hard work, > you choose psychological growth. > > I do not deny that there may be other people for whom it is totally > biomedical as opposed to psychological, and that there are people for whom > drugs may be needed, but I feel other options could be considered first. > > > All the best, and hang out there, you are definitely part of this life > here, > you belong here and you are needed. > > Elvira > Melbourne > Australia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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