Re: carnosine and taurine-for Valentina

[Guest guest]

Dear Valentina,

Steve from Australia suggested I ask you about taurine supplementation

when using carnosine. I hope you can help. My daughter who will be 14 in 2

weeks has been on carnosine for several weeks. We have been seeing great

results...aggression, mood swings and temper tantrums have dropped

dramatically. She has been talking more and finally doing better in school.

However, someone posted about carnosine depleating the body of taurine and

magnesium, something I didn't know about. If this is so, would you know how

much taurine to supplement? She's already getting magnesium in her daily

calcium supplement. I have a bottle of taurine and the capsules have 250 mg

in them.

Thanks in advance if you can help.

[Guest guest]

> Dear Valentina,

> Steve from Australia suggested I ask you about taurine

>supplementation when using carnosine.

Hi ,

This has gotten a little muddled. I actually suggested that you talk

to Valentina re the differences between Carnaware and other carnosine

and how to use calming supplements in conjunction with carnosine.

Elsewhere I did mention that Jon Pangborn had claimed that carnosine

depleted taurine. I'm not sure how accurate Dr Pangborn's assertion

is, but taurine is a calming amino acid, and coincidentally I have

recently started using it on my son, myself and my wife with good

results. It is also generally considered to be a good supplement for

autistic people.

We are giving ourselves and our son taurine and glycine together with

inositol on an empty stomach (or as empty as possible) at bedtime,

and getting good, deep sleeps. Taurine is also good for the eyes,

bile production and the liver. Glycine is good for liver detox. These

aminos seem to work synergistically, so you will have to tinker with

the doses to find what is right for you. We are using 250mg glycine

with about 350mg taurine on our son; same dose of glycine but higher

dose of taurine on ourselves.

I don't know about using it during the day. Obviously you don't want

to put your daughter to sleep during the day, but I think the night

dose has an effect that lasts for much of the day.

I would suggest trying the 250mg of taurine to start off with; then

adding 250mg glycine if necessary; then taking it from there.

Best wishes,

Steve

[Guest guest]

> Steve from Australia suggested I ask you about taurine supplementation

> when using carnosine. I hope you can help.

Hi ,

I hope I can help too, but I am sorry, I never heard of carnosine influencing

in some way taurine. I am not saying there's no possible connection, I just

never heard of a relevant one.

> We have been seeing great

> results...aggression, mood swings and temper tantrums have dropped

> dramatically. She has been talking more and finally doing better in school.

It's nice to hear that

How much do you give, and when? Do you give it on an empty stomach?

> However, someone posted about carnosine depleating the body of taurine and

> magnesium, something I didn't know about.

me neither )

If somebody knows something, please let us know...

> If this is so, would you know how much taurine to supplement?

Taurine is a great amino acid anyway, so if that is true or not, you could

still try some taurine and see how your daughter responds. Especially because

you have it already anyway.

I used taurine for my son for more than a year and I think is one of the best

things we supplement with I really like it.

I give Denis (4.5 yo) 300mg x 3 times per day. You can start lower if you

want... Try one of your 250mg capsules per day and see what's happening... I

wouldn't expect anything bad from taurine really, but... you know how our kids

are so be careful.

Taurine is an amino acid of sulfur metabolism and my son has problems there, so

this might be a reason why he needs higher doses. But your daughter might

benefit from less or more... I don't know... you have to try it I guess.

Please let us know what's happening.

Also, as Steve was suggesting, glycine seems to work well with taurine for bile

production (if you have this problem). I doubt that taurine would ever put you

to sleep during the day. It is true that it has a calming effect, but that's

all I think about it...

Some time ago, when I started to give carnosine to my son, I discovered that he

is doing much much better if I stop the zinc. Some kids do better with

carnaware (which is zinc + carnosine). Others (like my son) are better without

zinc.

Again, you can only know if you try it.

Good luck

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Dear Valentina,

had hyperactivity problems with Carn-Aware. When I posted this

problem, several parents said that she may be having problems with the zinc.

I remembered she had problems in the past with zinc, so I went to our local

HFS and bought regular L-Carnosine. She is up to half the 500 mg tablet and

I supplement it with 200 IU dry vitamin E. So far I have been giving it to

her when she comes home from school and as she's eating a snack. The only

problem I'm still having is that it doesn't help with the hormonal problems

we have with her cycle. As she gets closer to ovulating or closer to her

period then her aggressive tendencies crop up at school again. I've been

trying chamomile capsules, but sometimes they make her giddy and silly.

Re: carnosine and taurine-for Valentina

> > Steve from Australia suggested I ask you about taurine

supplementation

> > when using carnosine. I hope you can help.

>

> Hi ,

> I hope I can help too, but I am sorry, I never heard of carnosine

influencing

> in some way taurine. I am not saying there's no possible connection, I

just

> never heard of a relevant one.

>

>

> > We have been seeing great

> > results...aggression, mood swings and temper tantrums have dropped

> > dramatically. She has been talking more and finally doing better in

school.

>

> It's nice to hear that

> How much do you give, and when? Do you give it on an empty stomach?

>

>

> > However, someone posted about carnosine depleating the body of taurine

and

> > magnesium, something I didn't know about.

>

> me neither )

> If somebody knows something, please let us know...

>

>

> > If this is so, would you know how much taurine to supplement?

>

> Taurine is a great amino acid anyway, so if that is true or not, you could

> still try some taurine and see how your daughter responds. Especially

because

> you have it already anyway.

> I used taurine for my son for more than a year and I think is one of the

best

> things we supplement with I really like it.

> I give Denis (4.5 yo) 300mg x 3 times per day. You can start lower if you

> want... Try one of your 250mg capsules per day and see what's happening...

I

> wouldn't expect anything bad from taurine really, but... you know how our

kids

> are so be careful.

> Taurine is an amino acid of sulfur metabolism and my son has problems

there, so

> this might be a reason why he needs higher doses. But your daughter might

> benefit from less or more... I don't know... you have to try it I guess.

> Please let us know what's happening.

> Also, as Steve was suggesting, glycine seems to work well with taurine for

bile

> production (if you have this problem). I doubt that taurine would ever put

you

> to sleep during the day. It is true that it has a calming effect, but

that's

> all I think about it...

>

> Some time ago, when I started to give carnosine to my son, I discovered

that he

> is doing much much better if I stop the zinc. Some kids do better with

> carnaware (which is zinc + carnosine). Others (like my son) are better

without

> zinc.

> Again, you can only know if you try it.

> Good luck

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thats a nice thought , I alternate bewteen giving Taurine and Glycine

on the day doses when we are on round.

Mandi in UK

> > I used taurine for my son for more than a year and I think is one

> of the best

> > things we supplement with I really like it.

> > I give Denis (4.5 yo) 300mg x 3 times per day. You can start lower

>

> so since tautine has a sulphur atom in then you are providing a

> background of sulphur when you chelate.

>

> that may substantially reduce the toxicty of any lifted mercury that

> falls off the ala again

>

[Guest guest]

> Taurine is a great amino acid anyway, so if that is true or not,

you could

> still try some taurine and see how your daughter responds.

Especially because

> you have it already anyway.

> I used taurine for my son for more than a year and I think is one

of the best

> things we supplement with I really like it.

> I give Denis (4.5 yo) 300mg x 3 times per day. You can start lower

so since tautine has a sulphur atom in then you are providing a

background of sulphur when you chelate.

that may substantially reduce the toxicty of any lifted mercury that

falls off the ala again

the 3 times a day makes me think its a bit like ala is the way you

are using it.

[Guest guest]

> so since tautine has a sulphur atom in then you are providing a

> background of sulphur when you chelate.

>

> that may substantially reduce the toxicty of any lifted mercury that

> falls off the ala again

>

> the 3 times a day makes me think its a bit like ala is the way you

> are using it.

This is a wrong idea.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

> So far I have been giving it to

> her when she comes home from school and as she's eating a snack.

I think you need to know that carnosine is a dipeptide. It is made of two amino

acids: alanine and histidine. When you take it with food, most likely the

digestive enzymes will break down carnosine into the two amino acids it's made

of.

> The only

> problem I'm still having is that it doesn't help with the hormonal problems

> we have with her cycle.

UFF!! I don't know if carnosine is supposed to help there. Sometimes I wonder if

anything helps that

> As she gets closer to ovulating or closer to her

> period then her aggressive tendencies crop up at school again.

This is of course because of the higher hormonal levels. I am not sure what

would help. I do have some ideas, but there are so many things... I mean this

might be caused by so many " too low " -s or " too high " -s... I can't possibly make

a resume The adrenals, the thyroid, the pituitary.. they are all involved.

Sorry I can't help... there are different " things " that help different women.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Maybe slip in some evening primrose if you haven't yet tried that - very good

for hormonal and even my boys. I have just started giving it to my boys 1000mg

each day with their EFAs and its made a difference in moods so we are all on it

now. One boy is on carnosine one reacted badly - so just trial and error here.

Regards

Terri NZ

Re: carnosine and taurine-for Valentina

> So far I have been giving it to

> her when she comes home from school and as she's eating a snack.

I think you need to know that carnosine is a dipeptide. It is made of two

amino

acids: alanine and histidine. When you take it with food, most likely the

digestive enzymes will break down carnosine into the two amino acids it's made

of.

> The only

> problem I'm still having is that it doesn't help with the hormonal problems

> we have with her cycle.

UFF!! I don't know if carnosine is supposed to help there. Sometimes I wonder

if

anything helps that

> As she gets closer to ovulating or closer to her

> period then her aggressive tendencies crop up at school again.

This is of course because of the higher hormonal levels. I am not sure what

would help. I do have some ideas, but there are so many things... I mean this

might be caused by so many " too low " -s or " too high " -s... I can't possibly

make

a resume The adrenals, the thyroid, the pituitary.. they are all involved.

Sorry I can't help... there are different " things " that help different women.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Thanks Terri!

Re: carnosine and taurine-for Valentina

>

>

> > So far I have been giving it to

> > her when she comes home from school and as she's eating a snack.

>

> I think you need to know that carnosine is a dipeptide. It is made of

two amino

> acids: alanine and histidine. When you take it with food, most likely

the

> digestive enzymes will break down carnosine into the two amino acids

it's made

> of.

>

>

> > The only

> > problem I'm still having is that it doesn't help with the hormonal

problems

> > we have with her cycle.

>

> UFF!! I don't know if carnosine is supposed to help there. Sometimes I

wonder if

> anything helps that

>

>

> > As she gets closer to ovulating or closer to her

> > period then her aggressive tendencies crop up at school again.

>

> This is of course because of the higher hormonal levels. I am not sure

what

> would help. I do have some ideas, but there are so many things... I mean

this

> might be caused by so many " too low " -s or " too high " -s... I can't

possibly make

> a resume The adrenals, the thyroid, the pituitary.. they are all

involved.

> Sorry I can't help... there are different " things " that help different

women.

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Valentina,

No problem with the enzymes and carnosine. As has been on enzymes

for over a year and a half, she can now have snacks without needing the

enzymes.

In getting back to vinpocetine...do you think it would be too much for

to try this in combo with L-Carnosine?

Thanks,

Re: carnosine and taurine-for Valentina

> > So far I have been giving it to

> > her when she comes home from school and as she's eating a snack.

>

> I think you need to know that carnosine is a dipeptide. It is made of two

amino

> acids: alanine and histidine. When you take it with food, most likely the

> digestive enzymes will break down carnosine into the two amino acids it's

made

> of.

>

>

> > The only

> > problem I'm still having is that it doesn't help with the hormonal

problems

> > we have with her cycle.

>

> UFF!! I don't know if carnosine is supposed to help there. Sometimes I

wonder if

> anything helps that

>

>

> > As she gets closer to ovulating or closer to her

> > period then her aggressive tendencies crop up at school again.

>

> This is of course because of the higher hormonal levels. I am not sure

what

> would help. I do have some ideas, but there are so many things... I mean

this

> might be caused by so many " too low " -s or " too high " -s... I can't possibly

make

> a resume The adrenals, the thyroid, the pituitary.. they are all

involved.

> Sorry I can't help... there are different " things " that help different

women.

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> No problem with the enzymes and carnosine. As has been on enzymes

> for over a year and a half, she can now have snacks without needing the

> enzymes.

Oh! No! I wasn't talking about the enzymes that you supplement with... I was

talking about any enzymes. When you eat, your body produces its own enzymes. So

taking carnosine with food, automatically you take it with enzymes, so to speak.

> In getting back to vinpocetine...do you think it would be too much for

> to try this in combo with L-Carnosine?

I don't think these two have anything in common. So yes, you could try it if you

want.

Valentina