Re: addenda/vitamin c/samdra

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In a message dated 28/12/2002 22:02:17 GMT Standard Time,

alevin@... writes:

> imo you don't want to be taking more than 40mg total of vitmain c in

> a day.

>

Would this apply to buffered ascorbates too? Remind me why, I;m concentrating

now I;'ve nade that dental appointment for January LOL

MAndi in UK

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well i think its horse and course a bit, buffered means less acidic

and better tolerated for a stomch and digestive tract point of view...

i was thinking more in terms of vitamin c getting out of balance but

it may be with amalgams that a higher amount is warranted.

its very important to be making your own observations of effect ....

> In a message dated 28/12/2002 22:02:17 GMT Standard Time,

> alevin@i... writes:

>

>

> > imo you don't want to be taking more than 40mg total of vitmain c

in

> > a day.

> >

>

> Would this apply to buffered ascorbates too? Remind me why, I;m

concentrating

> now I;'ve nade that dental appointment for January LOL

> MAndi in UK

>

>

>

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Why is that? usually people take like 60-250 mg or more. Can you give me

site or explain? Thank you very much!

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In a message dated 29/12/2002 14:02:50 GMT Standard Time, Martharolfe@...

writes:

> Why is that? usually people take like 60-250 mg or more. Can you give me

>

> site or explain? Thank you very much!

>

I've been taking 2-3 grams per day, buffered ascorbates, can't say I feel any

better though LOL

Mandi in UK

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the body is designed by millions of years of evolution to take in

foods factors is complexes and ratios's...

you cannot take a single item and ramp it to the floor without

affecting the metabloic pathways associated with all the other

necessary food factors that say vitamin c comes with...

you are creating deficencies in other requisite chemical pathways

when you take such a large amount...

vitamin c is water soluble... i would try low frequent dosing, some

msm compositons have quite a high amount of vitamin c in, to much in

my opinion but i don't think it will compare to three grams a day!

vitamin c is one anti oxidant among many and is not a universal

answer.. like you take heaps and all your anti oxidant problems are

soleved, it is one and an important dimension but only one

the vitamin e trocopherol tuye normally sold is almost an ineffective

form of vitmain e and can inhibit other more effective forms..

> In a message dated 29/12/2002 14:02:50 GMT Standard Time,

Martharolfe@a...

> writes:

>

>

> > Why is that? usually people take like 60-250 mg or more. Can

you give me

> >

> > site or explain? Thank you very much!

> >

>

> I've been taking 2-3 grams per day, buffered ascorbates, can't say

I feel any

> better though LOL

> Mandi in UK

>

>

>

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Thansk , I just thought that with the water solubale ones if you didn't

need it you would just pee it out again. I have been taking it throughout the

day, drinking only filtered water since my new job in school - you wouldn't

beleive what comes out of those taps - its like soup! So I add buffered

powder to 1.5 litres of filtered water and drink it slowly over 8 hours, I

have Vit e (mixed tropheracols?sp) A & D in the CLO, B complex and the Ionic

minerals. All in the water with some Vit C & E to start and end the day in

another drink.

I do feel better from dropping coffee, and drink much less at home too. I'm

using liquid supps as I'm pinching Sams rather than buy more. And for

Christmas I decided my present would be - MY OWN ENZYMES LOL

MAndi in UK

> the body is designed by millions of years of evolution to take in

> foods factors is complexes and ratios's...

>

> you cannot take a single item and ramp it to the floor without

> affecting the metabloic pathways associated with all the other

> necessary food factors that say vitamin c comes with...

>

> you are creating deficencies in other requisite chemical pathways

> when you take such a large amount...

>

> vitamin c is water soluble... i would try low frequent dosing, some

> msm compositons have quite a high amount of vitamin c in, to much in

> my opinion but i don't think it will compare to three grams a day!

>

> vitamin c is one anti oxidant among many and is not a universal

> answer.. like you take heaps and all your anti oxidant problems are

> soleved, it is one and an important dimension but only one

>

> the vitamin e trocopherol tuye normally sold is almost an ineffective

> form of vitmain e and can inhibit other more effective forms..

>

>

>

> > In a message dated 29/12/2002 14:02:50 GMT Standard Time,

> Martharolfe@a...

> > writes:

> >

> >

> > > Why is that? usually people take like 60-250 mg or more. Can

> you give me

> > >

> > > site or explain? Thank you very much!

> > >

> >

> > I've been taking 2-3 grams per day, buffered ascorbates, can't say

> I feel any

> > better though LOL

> > Mandi in UK

>

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In a message dated 29/12/02 10:03:40 pm, alevin@... writes:

> you cannot take a single item and ramp it to the floor without

> affecting the metabloic pathways associated with all the other

> necessary food factors that say vitamin c comes with...

>

This makes sense, of course, but I just wondered why only 40 mg? That

seemed low to me. I wondered if you'd had a particular reason to say 40 mg.

I take up to 2,000 mg if I'm getting cold symptoms. And I take garlic, too,

and of course the cold symptoms go away. But no I don't usually take much

vit c. In fact, I take none. But then I eat fruits and vegetables a lot.

My son won't eat fruit or vegetables at all, unless I hide them in food, so

he gets the vitamin C, up to 500 mg a day I suppose. maybe that's too high,

I don't know. I've not really done a study on it.

I use SNT and talk about high dosages! The B6 is enormous and, yet, I have

seen improvements on this supplement and of course there are many studies

that support that high dosages of B6/Magnesium are helping kids and adults

with autism. I have to admit that I don't always feel good about giving my

child something like 10,000 times the recommended dose. I can't remember

exactly how much it is, but something enormous.

Anyway, I know we aren't meant to give very high dosages of vit C and then

suddenly drop it back. But I didn't know that Vit C in high doses could do

harm. I'll look into it.

Thanks for your posts. Marti

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Hi katherine

Interesting.......on Sam OAT and actually all of the results I've seen, they

all say high vit c. I queried it because I was not supplementing Sam at the

time, he ate no furit or vegatable or even anything remotely that would have

had it added. I got answer that if its all in the wee then its being wasted

not used. BUt how was it getting in there to be wasted???I don't know what to

believe. We did ours at Great Plains where do you do yours? Why are there

alwasy more questions than amswers?????LOL

MAndi in UK

PS I'm going to retry TMG soon

> With the vit C...I don't give my daughter any vitamin supplements,

> but when we had an OAT done a few months ago (last summer) she showed

> high vit C. She does eat fruit and some vegetables, but not nearly

> enough to give her a high vit C level. I just mention this because

> your child could already be absorbing a higher level of vit C and you

> are unaware. Certainly everyone is different- Just something to

> consider.

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well 30 or 40 mg would be the max i ever take a day of vitamin c. if

the dose gets to high it defeats its purpsoe as an antioxidant and

becomes an oxidant.

have never tried say 1000 mg for cold symptoms, would have to think

about it before trying it. if a very high does like that was

effective it would have yo be having a direct anti viral action,

which i seem to rmemebr there is some literature for.

i would question the high b6 dose, it may be doing something quite

different to its role as b6 and it would pay to look at that like

maybe its methylating or something and that might point to heavy

metal toxicity. i take 3 mg of b6 and 500mg magnesium chelate in the

afternoon and it helps with sleep and serotonin... also occasionally

with with a low rda broad spectrum b vit ... i have had higher doese

of b6 and didn't like it...

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In a message dated 30/12/02 9:19:13 am, alevin@... writes:

> like

> maybe its methylating or something and that might point to heavy

> metal toxicity.

>

You mean you think it could be methylating homocystein? Isn't that what

SAMe and TMG do? how weird. What made you think it might be doing that? I

dont' know enough about chemistry to know what lines you are thinking along.

I just thought with the B6 that the reasons that some individuals need so

much is that very little gets absorbed due to gut problems. I have to admit

I'm pretty ignorant about it and just went with it on the basis of

convenience and the Rimland articles.

And again, I've always thought it was an awful lot of B6!

Thanks for not getting annoyed at my tedious questions!

Marti

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My daughter used to use SNT pre enzymes. I would not say we saw

amazing results with it, but it did seem to " fine tune " some areas.

We used a low dose (a low dose of a high dose if that makes sense...)

however, after starting enzymes she no longer tolerated it. That is

to say she got hyper and broke out in a rash. We lowered the dose

until it was completely discontinued and she didn't lose anything so

whatever she was receiving from the vitamins she needed I assume she

is now able to absorb from her greatly expanded diet on enzymes.

With the vit C...I don't give my daughter any vitamin supplements,

but when we had an OAT done a few months ago (last summer) she showed

high vit C. She does eat fruit and some vegetables, but not nearly

enough to give her a high vit C level. I just mention this because

your child could already be absorbing a higher level of vit C and you

are unaware. Certainly everyone is different- Just something to

consider. I myself used to take high levels of vit C as well as

ecchinacea with cold symptoms, but read warnings about the vit C (as

mentioned) and stopped..as well as, it seemed like as soon as

I cut back on either/both- even if I felt fine- a cold attacked me

and was far worse than the average cold.As a sidenote, my daughter

has been on and off of TMG and for sure that does something for her

immune system. The schoolyear we had discontinued it she had many

colds, but back on it again-only 1 so far this schoolyear.

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, Martharolfe@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 29/12/02 10:03:40 pm, alevin@i... writes:

>

>

> > you cannot take a single item and ramp it to the floor without

> > affecting the metabloic pathways associated with all the other

> > necessary food factors that say vitamin c comes with...

> >

>

> This makes sense, of course, but I just wondered why only 40 mg?

That

> seemed low to me. I wondered if you'd had a particular reason to

say 40 mg.

>

>

> I take up to 2,000 mg if I'm getting cold symptoms. And I take

garlic, too,

> and of course the cold symptoms go away. But no I don't usually

take much

> vit c. In fact, I take none. But then I eat fruits and

vegetables a lot.

> My son won't eat fruit or vegetables at all, unless I hide them in

food, so

> he gets the vitamin C, up to 500 mg a day I suppose. maybe that's

too high,

> I don't know. I've not really done a study on it.

>

> I use SNT and talk about high dosages! The B6 is enormous and,

yet, I have

> seen improvements on this supplement and of course there are many

studies

> that support that high dosages of B6/Magnesium are helping kids and

adults

> with autism. I have to admit that I don't always feel good about

giving my

> child something like 10,000 times the recommended dose. I can't

remember

> exactly how much it is, but something enormous.

>

> Anyway, I know we aren't meant to give very high dosages of vit C

and then

> suddenly drop it back. But I didn't know that Vit C in high doses

could do

> harm. I'll look into it.

>

> Thanks for your posts. Marti

>

>

>

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> well 30 or 40 mg would be the max i ever take a day of vitamin c.

if

> the dose gets to high it defeats its purpsoe as an antioxidant and

> becomes an oxidant.

Could you explain how high doses of vitamin c act as an oxidant.

Also, does the same thing apply to other antioxidants such as vitamin

e.

Thanks,

Kat

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BUt how was it getting in there to be wasted???I don't know what to

believe. We did ours at Great Plains where do you do yours?

Mandi-I don't know about the high vit C either. Very weird. Yep, it

was Great Plains for us,too. Most of my daughter's results were

average. Only gliches were the high vit C (although the results said

it wasn't that extreme blah,blah...) low AKA (tried a supplement that

was disasterous) high bacteria with 10mill/day recommendation to fix

that (use Culturelle successfully.) I think that was about it on

hers. No high yeast, but she's never really had signs of that. There

was something else that basically showed she wasn't getting rid of

toxins well. The epsom salt baths seem to help. We tried MSM but it

was only helpful for a brief time and then she couldn't tolerate it.

The TMG though-not sure what all the successful components are there

but that is great for her in tiny doses with enzymes. It has done

alot of fine tuning and it seems to me the No Fenol improves our

results with it. Will be curious how Sam does with it if you try.

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Mum231ASD@a... wrote:

> Hi katherine

> Interesting.......on Sam OAT and actually all of the results I've

seen, they

> all say high vit c. I queried it because I was not supplementing

Sam at the

> time, he ate no furit or vegatable or even anything remotely that

would have

> had it added. I got answer that if its all in the wee then its

being wasted

> not used. BUt how was it getting in there to be wasted???I don't

know what to

> believe. We did ours at Great Plains where do you do yours? Why are

there

> alwasy more questions than amswers?????LOL

> MAndi in UK

> PS I'm going to retry TMG soon

>

> > With the vit C...I don't give my daughter any vitamin

supplements,

> > but when we had an OAT done a few months ago (last summer) she

showed

> > high vit C. She does eat fruit and some vegetables, but not

nearly

> > enough to give her a high vit C level. I just mention this

because

> > your child could already be absorbing a higher level of vit C and

you

> > are unaware. Certainly everyone is different- Just something to

> > consider.

>

>

>

>

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http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag98/aug98-report2.html

>

> In a message dated 30/12/02 9:19:13 am, alevin@i... writes:

>

>

> > like

> > maybe its methylating or something and that might point to heavy

> > metal toxicity.

> >

>

> You mean you think it could be methylating homocystein? Isn't

that what

> SAMe and TMG do? how weird. What made you think it might be

doing that? I

> dont' know enough about chemistry to know what lines you are

thinking along.

> I just thought with the B6 that the reasons that some individuals

need so

> much is that very little gets absorbed due to gut problems. I

have to admit

> I'm pretty ignorant about it and just went with it on the basis of

> convenience and the Rimland articles.

>

> And again, I've always thought it was an awful lot of B6!

>

> Thanks for not getting annoyed at my tedious questions!

>

> Marti

>

>

>

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In a message dated 30/12/02 11:45:39 pm, alevin@... writes:

> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag98/aug98-report2.html

>

Fantastic. thank you. I've learned a lot, well, I've learned that I have

to learn some more in this area!