DMSA

[Guest guest]

Actually, your naturopath's 'challenge' sounds safer than most. Most

challenges involve one very large dose of dmsa (much larger than what

you mention) and then measuring the urine about 6 hours later. So if

your naturopath wants to give the first dose, then measure the urine

for the next six hours (this is when approx 90% of the metals are

dumped, from what I am told-- it could be erroneous info...) and then

continue dmsa for the next two days-- that's not so bad. You could

see if they would continue it for a total of three days and that

would be like doing a " round " of chelation itself. Then there's the

whole debate of -- is it ok to do dmsa every 8 hours or should it be

done every 4 hours... and I'm not even going to go there, other than

suggest if you want to read why, you can read info on the autism-

mercury board, in the Files.

To me, these amount seem a bit high for a two year old.

There's some inconsistency in what you wrote-- if the person wants to

do a challenge-- it should not be " to see if he tolerates dmsa " .

Doing a challenge in the sense of measuring metal output is one

thing, giving him a dose to see if he tolerates it is another... and

your naturopath should be clear on what his purpose is, or purposes

are.

Negative reactions can be increased stimming, irritability,

tiredness... but you can also see some good things with it too,

because it is sulfury. We saw some negatives AND some positives

within the first day or two of using dmsa. Definitely had two weird

days after chelation rounds for a while, but then would see positives

in between rounds. We were doing every 4 hours, 10 mg's a dose for

my 50 pound son.

The only real thing of " going through with chelation " is the yeast

problem. DMSA is known to flare up yeast. Depends on how much you

can tolerate going on with your child (the actual preparation and

administration of chelating itself is very simple). We switched to

oral dmps for that reason-- DMPS is not going to flare up yeast so

much as DMSA. Ethan has improved enough that I have toyed with the

idea of Metal Free or PCA-Rx but the scanty information out there

just hasn't sold me on making an order yet! It's very hard to find

ANY families using it on the boards-- every once in a while someone

posts about it, and seems to like either of the products, but it's

not like the 100's of posts you can read about in the

Files (love letters) and use that to help you make your decision.

RE: the vitamin C-- that is, to my understanding, only helping the

body with the free-floating metals--not the metals that are already

bound within the body. If you want to search for an alternative to

DMSA, the only other chelators (in the technical sense) that I have

read about are oral dmps, edta, IP-6-- and there's debate as to

whether edta is more helpful than hurtful, and there's debate as to

whether IP-6 chelates any mercury out at all. There's debate

everywhere you look and it is really rather frustrating as a parent

to decide what to do! If you don't want to go this route, there is

always 's selenium information-- check in the archives or ask

him for more info... glutathione info... TTFD/glutathione/B12 trio...

methylcobalamin injections...

Good luck deciding what to do.

While you are looking into the options, what about starting epsom

salt baths for now... these could make a significant difference in

your child. If you want some technical info on why they would help,

email me privately

maryandphilip@...

Also, the Ojibwa Tea lady feels that her product can help kids

excrete metals, too and I must say that we have seen good results

using her tea

www.ojibwatea.com

So you *could* try some of these things while you figure out what you

want to do.

And to anyone who reads my post and wants to debate with me as to

what I wrote-- save it. I already said that just about everything in

regards to chelation is debatable and I'm just not going to clog up

this board with a debate. The mom asked for input/opinions, and I'm

sharing mine. Share yours but you don't need to bring mine into it.

My visiting FIL is in the hospital with congestive heart failure and

I'm spending very little time on the board today and not feeling up

to a debate.

W

> Hello

>

> My naturopath would like to do a metals challenge on my 2.6 year

old

> son using DMSA. I am absolutely terrified. First, I am supposed

to

> give him 1 50 mg capsule, 3 times a day, for 2 days.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

How much does your son weigh? The dmsa dosage should be up to 1/2 his weight in

milligrams per dose.....in otherwards a 50 lb child would get the maximum of

25mgs every dose every 4 hours. If using ala/dmsa then do every 3-4 hours.I know

the pdr says hundreds of milligrams per dose but that is way too dangerous and

it also causes redistribution of heavy metals. If your son is mercury toxic you

need ala added to the dmsa to get it out of the brain and flush it out of the

body .Make sure you pre-load the body for at least 10 days with vit a,e,

c,d,zinc, magnesium,efa's,calcium 4 times a day.For every bit of mercury lost,

the child will loose 6 times the amount of zinc.......so give weight plus 20 of

zinc per day(70 mgs for a 50 lb child)in 4 divided doses. Go to

autism treatment@... and go into the files section to read about

chelation and detox.If you do the dmsa properly you will usually see only good

results and not bad. You get bad results when you do anybody's protocol other

than Andy Cutlers,(doctor of biochemistry).Hope I helped.

R

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your great information.

I was probably not clear in my post... I have been told to give Ian

the low dose of DMSA over a two day period to see if he tolerates

the DMSA itself. If he shows no problem with it, THEN we will do

the challenge at the higher doses and collect the 6 hour urine.

I have a lot to think about. THEN comes the hard part of convincing

my husband to do this if I decide it is something I wish to try.

I will definitely do the Epsom salts. I have some in the bathroom

but have yet to use them.

pam in WA

> > Hello

> >

> > My naturopath would like to do a metals challenge on my 2.6 year

> old

> > son using DMSA. I am absolutely terrified. First, I am

supposed

> to

> > give him 1 50 mg capsule, 3 times a day, for 2 days.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam

I would a hair test instead to try and indentify if metals are an issue or

not, easy painless, no risk (if you can use the scissors). Use the Counting

Rules you can read about on list. Start worrying about DMSA only

IF

metals are an issue. I will send you link

MAndi in UK

> Any info would be greatly appreciated. Negative and positive, of

> course. I will do a literature search myself later today.

>

[Guest guest]

Pam, I have done 6 rounds of chelation and saw positive improvements

for the first 5 rounds (she got sick, unrelated to chelation, during

the 6th). I used Cutler's protocol in the autism treatment

board and since I don't have a doc overseeing I only used ALA, or

alpha-lipoic acid. While I can't tell you what to do in your

situation, I can tell you that I'm very glad we have done it and

plan to continue. I'm taking Allie for her 4 yr well visit the end

of this month and plan on asking him to do a urine/fecal check

during a round of chelation to see what's coming out. You are lucky

to have a physician overseeing it. I found very little negative with

Allie, she became more verbal within a few hrs of the first 3

rounds. I felt that The Lord was giving me conviction to do this

therapy and I have read so many positives about chelation and autism

that I felt I owed it to my daughter to try it. Perhaps in your

situation things are different and not an option, not trying to

guilt you, just giving you my experience.

I hope this helps!

Debi

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > My naturopath would like to do a metals challenge on my 2.6

year

> > old

> > > son using DMSA. I am absolutely terrified. First, I am

> supposed

> > to

> > > give him 1 50 mg capsule, 3 times a day, for 2 days.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it helps! I've also been doing some reading. I had no idea

DMSA has been around for 50+ years.

Yeast issues were mentioned as a possible negative effect. Ian has

had testing and is yeast-free without a history of yeast problems.

I am hoping that does not become an issue

Well, I will go ahead with the testing of the DMSA and the challenge

IF (and this is a BIG IF) my husband agrees. I just need to print

up the articles. Looking for literature by an M.D. and not an N.D.

or D.O. since my husband is a physician and gets a little uppity

about that kind of stuff (sweet man, but medical school can make one

a little arrogant! My job is to deflate him every once in a while).

Thank you. I am hoping, if Ian is metal toxic, that the language

will improve after chelation. That is our remaining issue. At this

point, it appears to be a mixture of Apraxia and motor planning

concerns.

Pam in WA

> > > > Hello

> > > >

> > > > My naturopath would like to do a metals challenge on my 2.6

> year

> > > old

> > > > son using DMSA. I am absolutely terrified. First, I am

> > supposed

> > > to

> > > > give him 1 50 mg capsule, 3 times a day, for 2 days.

[Guest guest]

> Hello

>

> My naturopath would like to do a metals challenge on my 2.6 year old

> son using DMSA. I am absolutely terrified. First, I am supposed to

> give him 1 50 mg capsule, 3 times a day, for 2 days. This is to see

> if he tolerates DMSA. He couldnt' give me real specifics for

> negative reactions.

>

> I guess I need to decide if I can go through with chelation before I

> even see if he tolerates DMSA. Are there better, safer ways to

> chelate?

In my opinion, yes.

You can read my intro page

http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm

I use only ALA, not DMSA.

Many people recommend hair test instead of challenge test.

>>Do the risks outweigh the benefits.

For my son, chelation is what gave him a chance to get rid of his

Kanners autism dx, which now he no longer qualifies. It also gave him

language and other things. So for my son, the benefits far outweighed

any risks. The only negative I have experienced with ALA is yeast,

which I kept under control with GSE until it no longer was a problem.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Im curious is there a DMSA that is Trans Dermal or is it just Oral. Can you be

chelating using DMSA and still use the TD-DMPS or is that dangerous?Please

enlighten me..

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[Guest guest]

The only reason to use transdermal DMPS would be if a child completely

refused to take any medication by mouth. Transdermal preparations are

new and experimental.

Best to use either DMSA or DMPS, at any one time. Not both at the

same time.

>

> Im curious is there a DMSA that is Trans Dermal or is it just Oral.

Can you be chelating using DMSA and still use the TD-DMPS or is that

dangerous?Please enlighten me..