Re: Re:* Glyconutrients~Inga

[Guest guest]

Hi Inga,

I would be happy to look at the program you were on and tell you if I

think you gave it a fair shot or not. I find that most people that use

or try these products bought them online. They did not have anyone to

help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

and I always recommend the bulk powder. I had late state lyme and it

took 4 months to start seeing some minor changes, but 8,9, and 10

months to really start getting my life back. Most people would give up

after 1 or 2 months. The drug paradyme has got most of us thinking that

you take a pill for a set amount of time and then you are better and

don't need to take the pill anymore. If you are sick and we can assume

it is because of lack of good food, stress and toxins, then it only

makes sense that in order to change that pattern, you will need to

supplement for the rest of your life. Unless you are darn serious about

juicing organic vegies and fruits all day long. Even still as evidenced

by the studies being posted on this forum that will not supply enough to

stay healthy for most people. There is no magic bullet, but this

products is about as close as I have ever seen. In some cases it truly

does seem like magic, some others it takes more time.

Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> on 4/1/05 8:26 AM, noaholiviaian at phaselow@... wrote:

>

> I don't have a child with Down Syndrome. I'm just intrigued by the

> claims of this product and curious as to why it hasn't caught on

> more rapidly if the results are so miraculous.

>

> >>>That is what I have wondered. I took some for awhile a few years

> ago....went

> to a great lecture about it too....signed up to be a distributor so I could

> get my cost, but have to admit that I did not feel a thing from it. Maybe I

> was so messed up it cold not make a notciable difference over a short period

> of time.

>

> >>>Of course the gal who got me into it, says that it keeps her from being

> dyslexic and has reversed her bone loss.

>

> >>>Hmmm..... It sounds like interesting stuff, and I am sure it is

> good, but I

> wonder if it is being given more hype than it deserves.

>

> >>>Truly don't know....and wondering myself. If it were really that magic

> bullet, I would stop taking what I am taking now so I could afford the

> Ambrotose.

>

> >>>~Inga

>

>

>

> to raise your defenses or cause argument.

>

> Thanks to everyone who is trying to explain this to me!

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Where do you get it from?

Dagmar.

I always recommend the bulk powder.

[Guest guest]

on 4/4/05 11:04 PM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

wrote:

Hi Inga,

I would be happy to look at the program you were on and tell you if I

think you gave it a fair shot or not. I find that most people that use

or try these products bought them online.

>>>No, I bought them from a gal that was using/selling them for some time - said

it cured her dyslexia as long as she took it all the time. I also went to a

lecture by that famous lab doctor that unofficially endorsed the Mannatech

product (I forget his name at this point), and the gal had many talks with

me.

They did not have anyone to

help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

and I always recommend the bulk powder.

>>>Of course...never buy capsules, LOL!

I had late state lyme and it

took 4 months to start seeing some minor changes, but 8,9, and 10

months to really start getting my life back. Most people would give up

after 1 or 2 months.

>>>This is true....especially when they can't afford it in the first place...and

then their life is made even more miserable, since the suggestion is they

have to now sell this product in order to afford their own to save

themselves. That REALLY turned me off >>B I G T I M E<<.

>>>So admittedly, I only used the product for 2-3 months...felt NOTHING. Guess I

am that sick...haven't been able to work for 2 years now. Too bad there is

no way to get an 8-10 month trial supply of enough of the product to see if

it will help in the long run.

>>>Unfortunately, I was given mostly all the motivational tapes by the compnay

and info on how to SELL the product and become financially independant. This

really turned me off >>>BIG TIME<<<

The drug paradyme has got most of us thinking that

you take a pill for a set amount of time and then you are better and

don't need to take the pill anymore. If you are sick and we can assume

it is because of lack of good food, stress and toxins, then it only

makes sense that in order to change that pattern, you will need to

supplement for the rest of your life. Unless you are darn serious about

juicing organic vegies and fruits all day long. Even still as evidenced

by the studies being posted on this forum that will not supply enough to

stay healthy for most people. There is no magic bullet, but this

products is about as close as I have ever seen.

>>>Would it cure my low thryoid problems and mercury toxicity then???

>>>MONEY BEING MORE THAN SHORT, would you recommend I quit taking thyroid and

adrenal support,chelating and taking the recommended supplements and opt for

the Mannatech products instead?

>>>Again, I wish I could obtain a 8-10 month supply of it in bulk ammounts so I

could try it - maybe it would work.

In some cases it truly

does seem like magic, some others it takes more time.

>>>I can only assume you are selling this product. I am not saying it is bad,

but for all the money, my guess is there may be better places to spend it.

>>>Please correct me if I am wrong.....I would like to be wrong, and if I were,

I would like for somebody to front me the product long enough for me to get

well enough so I could sell it! If it could really " cure " me, I would really

WANT to sell it....but I don't know if I could sell it for the recommended

profit structure and such....

>>>~Inga

Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> on 4/1/05 8:26 AM, noaholiviaian at phaselow@... wrote:

>

> I don't have a child with Down Syndrome. I'm just intrigued by the

> claims of this product and curious as to why it hasn't caught on

> more rapidly if the results are so miraculous.

>

> >>>That is what I have wondered. I took some for awhile a few years

> ago....went

> to a great lecture about it too....signed up to be a distributor so I could

> get my cost, but have to admit that I did not feel a thing from it. Maybe I

> was so messed up it cold not make a notciable difference over a short period

> of time.

>

> >>>Of course the gal who got me into it, says that it keeps her from being

> dyslexic and has reversed her bone loss.

>

> >>>Hmmm..... It sounds like interesting stuff, and I am sure it is

> good, but I

> wonder if it is being given more hype than it deserves.

>

> >>>Truly don't know....and wondering myself. If it were really that magic

> bullet, I would stop taking what I am taking now so I could afford the

> Ambrotose.

>

> >>>~Inga

>

>

>

> to raise your defenses or cause argument.

>

> Thanks to everyone who is trying to explain this to me!

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

So INga, what is it you are trying to get well from? And you never said

what is was you were taking. Nonone is going to give you anything for

free, at least I never had my doctor tell me he would refund my money

when the many drugs he gave me failed. It sounds like you started off

with some good education but lost faith in your body somewhere along the

way. I have worked with some people who have taken these products for 6

months and had not seen much improvement, but they just kept pluggin

away. I have also worked with people who starting getting immediate

results. It depends on how many drugs you are currently taking, what

state of health you are in, your mental state of mind, what is your diet

and lifestyle like,are they toxic. ALso each and every cell in your

body has its own life span, blood cells live 4 months for example, So it

would take at least 4 months to have your blood cells working properly .

That is the minimum time anyone should give this program to really be

fair about it working or not. Most people do see positive changes

before then. If someone is in a wheelchair say with MS, then they will

not be walking in 4 months. They will however start feeling their feet,

have reduced bladder infections, be stronger, have more energy, and

things like that. Then over time they will get out of the chair and

start walking with a walker. I am working with 8 people with MS so I

know how the improvements start to come, and they do come. As far as

your question of thyroid and mercury. I had late stage lyme and mercury

and lead poisoning. I took no drugs and still don't. My health has

returned and tyroid function is normal and si is every other function in

my body.If the body has what it needs it can rebuild at the cell level

and repair things, clean itself, and defend itself against things like

cancer, bacteria and viruses. I am sorry your expericne was more toward

the business approach, obviously you were sick needing to be well and

that should have been the focus of the person helping you. Let me know

if there is anything I can do for you at this time.

Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> on 4/4/05 11:04 PM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

> wrote:

>

> Hi Inga,

>

> I would be happy to look at the program you were on and tell you if I

> think you gave it a fair shot or not. I find that most people that use

> or try these products bought them online.

>

> >>>No, I bought them from a gal that was using/selling them for some

> time - said

> it cured her dyslexia as long as she took it all the time. I also went to a

> lecture by that famous lab doctor that unofficially endorsed the Mannatech

> product (I forget his name at this point), and the gal had many talks with

> me.

>

> They did not have anyone to

> help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

> how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

> buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

> they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

> and I always recommend the bulk powder.

>

> >>>Of course...never buy capsules, LOL!

>

> I had late state lyme and it

> took 4 months to start seeing some minor changes, but 8,9, and 10

> months to really start getting my life back. Most people would give up

> after 1 or 2 months.

>

> >>>This is true....especially when they can't afford it in the first

> place...and

> then their life is made even more miserable, since the suggestion is they

> have to now sell this product in order to afford their own to save

> themselves. That REALLY turned me off >>B I G T I M E<<.

>

> >>>So admittedly, I only used the product for 2-3 months...felt

> NOTHING. Guess I

> am that sick...haven't been able to work for 2 years now. Too bad there is

> no way to get an 8-10 month trial supply of enough of the product to see if

> it will help in the long run.

>

> >>>Unfortunately, I was given mostly all the motivational tapes by the

> compnay

> and info on how to SELL the product and become financially independant. This

> really turned me off >>>BIG TIME<<<

>

> The drug paradyme has got most of us thinking that

> you take a pill for a set amount of time and then you are better and

> don't need to take the pill anymore. If you are sick and we can assume

> it is because of lack of good food, stress and toxins, then it only

> makes sense that in order to change that pattern, you will need to

> supplement for the rest of your life. Unless you are darn serious about

> juicing organic vegies and fruits all day long. Even still as evidenced

> by the studies being posted on this forum that will not supply enough to

> stay healthy for most people. There is no magic bullet, but this

> products is about as close as I have ever seen.

>

> >>>Would it cure my low thryoid problems and mercury toxicity then???

>

> >>>MONEY BEING MORE THAN SHORT, would you recommend I quit taking

> thyroid and

> adrenal support,chelating and taking the recommended supplements and opt for

> the Mannatech products instead?

>

> >>>Again, I wish I could obtain a 8-10 month supply of it in bulk

> ammounts so I

> could try it - maybe it would work.

>

> In some cases it truly

> does seem like magic, some others it takes more time.

>

> >>>I can only assume you are selling this product. I am not saying it

> is bad,

> but for all the money, my guess is there may be better places to spend it.

>

> >>>Please correct me if I am wrong.....I would like to be wrong, and if

> I were,

> I would like for somebody to front me the product long enough for me to get

> well enough so I could sell it! If it could really " cure " me, I would really

> WANT to sell it....but I don't know if I could sell it for the recommended

> profit structure and such....

>

> >>>~Inga

>

>

>

> Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> > on 4/1/05 8:26 AM, noaholiviaian at phaselow@... wrote:

> >

> > I don't have a child with Down Syndrome. I'm just intrigued by the

> > claims of this product and curious as to why it hasn't caught on

> > more rapidly if the results are so miraculous.

> >

> > >>>That is what I have wondered. I took some for awhile a few years

> > ago....went

> > to a great lecture about it too....signed up to be a distributor so I

> could

> > get my cost, but have to admit that I did not feel a thing from it.

> Maybe I

> > was so messed up it cold not make a notciable difference over a short

> period

> > of time.

> >

> > >>>Of course the gal who got me into it, says that it keeps her from

> being

> > dyslexic and has reversed her bone loss.

> >

> > >>>Hmmm..... It sounds like interesting stuff, and I am sure it is

> > good, but I

> > wonder if it is being given more hype than it deserves.

> >

> > >>>Truly don't know....and wondering myself. If it were really that

> magic

> > bullet, I would stop taking what I am taking now so I could afford the

> > Ambrotose.

> >

> > >>>~Inga

> >

> >

> >

> > to raise your defenses or cause argument.

> >

> > Thanks to everyone who is trying to explain this to me!

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dagmar,

I have written you privately, so look for my email.

Dagmar wrote:

> Where do you get it from?

>

> Dagmar.

>

>

> I always recommend the bulk powder.

>

>

[Guest guest]

on 4/5/05 10:45 AM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

wrote:

So INga, what is it you are trying to get well from?

>>>Mercury toxicity and ensuing hypothyroidim

And you never said

what is was you were taking.

>>>Andy's protocol but no ALA yet...jsut DMSA for close to a year. Also natural

thyroid hormoned+adrenal supplementation. Also currently taking:

E

C

molybdenum

zinc

B's

A

Huston Nutraceutical Enzymes

Milk Thistle

Lysine

pregnenolone

folic acid

Flax oil

Magnesium

progesterone cream

DMSA

Nonone is going to give you anything for

free, at least I never had my doctor tell me he would refund my money

when the many drugs he gave me failed.

>>>I can not afford to go to a doctor anymore anyway, lOL!

It sounds like you started off

with some good education,

>>>You mean as far as Andy's Protocol or taking Mannatech products?

but lost faith in your body somewhere along the

way.

>>>Perhaps to some degree, becasue I have spent a small fortune over and am

still sick. Thyroid hormone seems to finally be helping some, and I am self

medicating with the natural Hormones.

I have worked with some people who have taken these products for 6

months and had not seen much improvement, but they just kept pluggin

away.

>>>Boy, that is some blind faith. I wonder how they could afford it if they were

that sick...that is always my question and struggle

I have also worked with people who starting getting immediate

results. It depends on how many drugs you are currently taking,

>>>None, other than the natural thryoid and Andy's protocol which includes DMSA.

what

state of health you are in,

>>>Sick

your mental state of mind,

>>>Well, I recently lost my mother and fiance, and so that was a stressor, and

illness and low thyroid does not help the brain chemistry much, but I do

listen to Medicine Buddha and other tapes geared towards spiritual healing.

Healing is the only reason we are here, you know.....

what is your diet

>>>Pretty good, but there is always room for improvement. This week, I am

learing how to make kefir for the natural probiotics, and I keep trying to

be better. I rarely eat flour at all, and seldom have sugar. I would say

that I am milk free, but then I have started making yogurt and kefir.

>>>All that said, I must admit that I do have the occaisional potatoe chip binge

and such...but I try. No coffee, no tea, no packaged meats, no canned foods,

organic when I can, etc....

and lifestyle like,

>>>What lifestyle? Very quiet nowadays, because I can't do much.

are they toxic. ALso each and every cell in your

body has its own life span, blood cells live 4 months for example, So it

would take at least 4 months to have your blood cells working properly .

That is the minimum time anyone should give this program to really be

fair about it working or not. Most people do see positive changes

before then. If someone is in a wheelchair say with MS, then they will

not be walking in 4 months. They will however start feeling their feet,

have reduced bladder infections, be stronger, have more energy, and

things like that. Then over time they will get out of the chair and

start walking with a walker. I am working with 8 people with MS so I

know how the improvements start to come, and they do come.

As far as

your question of thyroid and mercury. I had late stage lyme and mercury

and lead poisoning. I took no drugs and still don't.

>>>And you do not credit any of your recovery to chelating???

My health has returned and tyroid function is normal

>>>Was your thyroid totally trashed and did it repair itself completely just

from taking glyconutrients???

and si is every other function in

my body.

>>>All just because of the Mannatech products?

If the body has what it needs it can rebuild at the cell level

and repair things, clean itself, and defend itself against things like

cancer, bacteria and viruses. I am sorry your expericne was more toward

the business approach, obviously you were sick needing to be well and

that should have been the focus of the person helping you.

>>>Yes, yes. She said I would get well, if only I would take Mannatech products,

but unfortunatley I had to sell them (which I couldn't) in order to afford

them. I was supposed to go fly to some " Mannafest " convention...spent the

money on the flight, but couldn't go at the time. What a bummer the whole

thing was.

Let me know

if there is anything I can do for you at this time.

>>>Well, which supplements do you think I should replace with the Mannatech? I

will have to give at least some or most of the other stuff up, so I can try

this.

>>>Maybe this really is the miracle we have all been waiting for....

>>>~Inga

..

Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> on 4/4/05 11:04 PM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

> wrote:

>

> Hi Inga,

>

> I would be happy to look at the program you were on and tell you if I

> think you gave it a fair shot or not. I find that most people that use

> or try these products bought them online.

>

> >>>No, I bought them from a gal that was using/selling them for some

> time - said

> it cured her dyslexia as long as she took it all the time. I also went to a

> lecture by that famous lab doctor that unofficially endorsed the Mannatech

> product (I forget his name at this point), and the gal had many talks with

> me.

>

> They did not have anyone to

> help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

> how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

> buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

> they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

> and I always recommend the bulk powder.

>

> >>>Of course...never buy capsules, LOL!

>

> I had late state lyme and it

> took 4 months to start seeing some minor changes, but 8,9, and 10

> months to really start getting my life back. Most people would give up

> after 1 or 2 months.

>

> >>>This is true....especially when they can't afford it in the first

> place...and

> then their life is made even more miserable, since the suggestion is they

> have to now sell this product in order to afford their own to save

> themselves. That REALLY turned me off >>B I G T I M E<<.

>

> >>>So admittedly, I only used the product for 2-3 months...felt

> NOTHING. Guess I

> am that sick...haven't been able to work for 2 years now. Too bad there is

> no way to get an 8-10 month trial supply of enough of the product to see if

> it will help in the long run.

>

> >>>Unfortunately, I was given mostly all the motivational tapes by the

> compnay

> and info on how to SELL the product and become financially independant. This

> really turned me off >>>BIG TIME<<<

>

> The drug paradyme has got most of us thinking that

> you take a pill for a set amount of time and then you are better and

> don't need to take the pill anymore. If you are sick and we can assume

> it is because of lack of good food, stress and toxins, then it only

> makes sense that in order to change that pattern, you will need to

> supplement for the rest of your life. Unless you are darn serious about

> juicing organic vegies and fruits all day long. Even still as evidenced

> by the studies being posted on this forum that will not supply enough to

> stay healthy for most people. There is no magic bullet, but this

> products is about as close as I have ever seen.

>

> >>>Would it cure my low thryoid problems and mercury toxicity then???

>

> >>>MONEY BEING MORE THAN SHORT, would you recommend I quit taking

> thyroid and

> adrenal support,chelating and taking the recommended supplements and opt for

> the Mannatech products instead?

>

> >>>Again, I wish I could obtain a 8-10 month supply of it in bulk

> ammounts so I

> could try it - maybe it would work.

>

> In some cases it truly

> does seem like magic, some others it takes more time.

>

> >>>I can only assume you are selling this product. I am not saying it

> is bad,

> but for all the money, my guess is there may be better places to spend it.

>

> >>>Please correct me if I am wrong.....I would like to be wrong, and if

> I were,

> I would like for somebody to front me the product long enough for me to get

> well enough so I could sell it! If it could really " cure " me, I would really

> WANT to sell it....but I don't know if I could sell it for the recommended

> profit structure and such....

>

> >>>~Inga

>

>

>

> Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> > on 4/1/05 8:26 AM, noaholiviaian at phaselow@... wrote:

> >

> > I don't have a child with Down Syndrome. I'm just intrigued by the

> > claims of this product and curious as to why it hasn't caught on

> > more rapidly if the results are so miraculous.

> >

> > >>>That is what I have wondered. I took some for awhile a few years

> > ago....went

> > to a great lecture about it too....signed up to be a distributor so I

> could

> > get my cost, but have to admit that I did not feel a thing from it.

> Maybe I

> > was so messed up it cold not make a notciable difference over a short

> period

> > of time.

> >

> > >>>Of course the gal who got me into it, says that it keeps her from

> being

> > dyslexic and has reversed her bone loss.

> >

> > >>>Hmmm..... It sounds like interesting stuff, and I am sure it is

> > good, but I

> > wonder if it is being given more hype than it deserves.

> >

> > >>>Truly don't know....and wondering myself. If it were really that

> magic

> > bullet, I would stop taking what I am taking now so I could afford the

> > Ambrotose.

> >

> > >>>~Inga

> >

> >

> >

> > to raise your defenses or cause argument.

> >

> > Thanks to everyone who is trying to explain this to me!

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi INgrid, I have too many questions for you, we need to talk on the

phone. I still was hoping you could remember what products you tried

previously from Mannatech. There is one thing, on your list of things

right now that concern me, that is the progesterone cream. There is lead

is most of the creams, that is partly how I became poisoned, the other

things were bad fish oil and coral calcium. Can you contact privately

with your phone number.

Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> on 4/5/05 10:45 AM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

> wrote:

>

> So INga, what is it you are trying to get well from?

> >>>Mercury toxicity and ensuing hypothyroidim

> And you never said

> what is was you were taking.

>

> >>>Andy's protocol but no ALA yet...jsut DMSA for close to a year. Also

> natural

> thyroid hormoned+adrenal supplementation. Also currently taking:

> E

> C

> molybdenum

> zinc

> B's

> A

> Huston Nutraceutical Enzymes

> Milk Thistle

> Lysine

> pregnenolone

> folic acid

> Flax oil

> Magnesium

> progesterone cream

> DMSA

>

> Nonone is going to give you anything for

> free, at least I never had my doctor tell me he would refund my money

> when the many drugs he gave me failed.

>

> >>>I can not afford to go to a doctor anymore anyway, lOL!

> It sounds like you started off

> with some good education,

> >>>You mean as far as Andy's Protocol or taking Mannatech products?

>

> but lost faith in your body somewhere along the

> way.

>

> >>>Perhaps to some degree, becasue I have spent a small fortune over

> and am

> still sick. Thyroid hormone seems to finally be helping some, and I am self

> medicating with the natural Hormones.

>

> I have worked with some people who have taken these products for 6

> months and had not seen much improvement, but they just kept pluggin

> away.

>

> >>>Boy, that is some blind faith. I wonder how they could afford it if

> they were

> that sick...that is always my question and struggle

>

> I have also worked with people who starting getting immediate

> results. It depends on how many drugs you are currently taking,

>

> >>>None, other than the natural thryoid and Andy's protocol which

> includes DMSA.

>

> what

> state of health you are in,

> >>>Sick

> your mental state of mind,

>

> >>>Well, I recently lost my mother and fiance, and so that was a

> stressor, and

> illness and low thyroid does not help the brain chemistry much, but I do

> listen to Medicine Buddha and other tapes geared towards spiritual healing.

> Healing is the only reason we are here, you know.....

>

> what is your diet

> >>>Pretty good, but there is always room for improvement. This week, I am

> learing how to make kefir for the natural probiotics, and I keep trying to

> be better. I rarely eat flour at all, and seldom have sugar. I would say

> that I am milk free, but then I have started making yogurt and kefir.

> >>>All that said, I must admit that I do have the occaisional potatoe

> chip binge

> and such...but I try. No coffee, no tea, no packaged meats, no canned foods,

> organic when I can, etc....

>

> and lifestyle like,

> >>>What lifestyle? Very quiet nowadays, because I can't do much.

>

> are they toxic. ALso each and every cell in your

> body has its own life span, blood cells live 4 months for example, So it

> would take at least 4 months to have your blood cells working properly .

> That is the minimum time anyone should give this program to really be

> fair about it working or not. Most people do see positive changes

> before then. If someone is in a wheelchair say with MS, then they will

> not be walking in 4 months. They will however start feeling their feet,

> have reduced bladder infections, be stronger, have more energy, and

> things like that. Then over time they will get out of the chair and

> start walking with a walker. I am working with 8 people with MS so I

> know how the improvements start to come, and they do come.

>

> As far as

> your question of thyroid and mercury. I had late stage lyme and mercury

> and lead poisoning. I took no drugs and still don't.

>

>

> >>>And you do not credit any of your recovery to chelating???

>

> My health has returned and tyroid function is normal

>

> >>>Was your thyroid totally trashed and did it repair itself completely

> just

> from taking glyconutrients???

>

> and si is every other function in

> my body.

>

> >>>All just because of the Mannatech products?

>

> If the body has what it needs it can rebuild at the cell level

> and repair things, clean itself, and defend itself against things like

> cancer, bacteria and viruses. I am sorry your expericne was more toward

> the business approach, obviously you were sick needing to be well and

> that should have been the focus of the person helping you.

>

> >>>Yes, yes. She said I would get well, if only I would take Mannatech

> products,

> but unfortunatley I had to sell them (which I couldn't) in order to afford

> them. I was supposed to go fly to some " Mannafest " convention...spent the

> money on the flight, but couldn't go at the time. What a bummer the whole

> thing was.

>

> Let me know

> if there is anything I can do for you at this time.

>

> >>>Well, which supplements do you think I should replace with the

> Mannatech? I

> will have to give at least some or most of the other stuff up, so I can try

> this.

>

> >>>Maybe this really is the miracle we have all been waiting for....

>

> >>>~Inga

> .

>

> Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> > on 4/4/05 11:04 PM, Kindscher (Charter) at

> morningsunranch@...

> > wrote:

> >

> > Hi Inga,

> >

> > I would be happy to look at the program you were on and tell you if I

> > think you gave it a fair shot or not. I find that most people that use

> > or try these products bought them online.

> >

> > >>>No, I bought them from a gal that was using/selling them for some

> > time - said

> > it cured her dyslexia as long as she took it all the time. I also

> went to a

> > lecture by that famous lab doctor that unofficially endorsed the

> Mannatech

> > product (I forget his name at this point), and the gal had many talks

> with

> > me.

> >

> > They did not have anyone to

> > help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

> > how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

> > buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

> > they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

> > and I always recommend the bulk powder.

> >

> > >>>Of course...never buy capsules, LOL!

> >

> > I had late state lyme and it

> > took 4 months to start seeing some minor changes, but 8,9, and 10

> > months to really start getting my life back. Most people would give up

> > after 1 or 2 months.

> >

> > >>>This is true....especially when they can't afford it in the first

> > place...and

> > then their life is made even more miserable, since the suggestion is they

> > have to now sell this product in order to afford their own to save

> > themselves. That REALLY turned me off >>B I G T I M E<<.

> >

> > >>>So admittedly, I only used the product for 2-3 months...felt

> > NOTHING. Guess I

> > am that sick...haven't been able to work for 2 years now. Too bad

> there is

> > no way to get an 8-10 month trial supply of enough of the product to

> see if

> > it will help in the long run.

> >

> > >>>Unfortunately, I was given mostly all the motivational tapes by the

> > compnay

> > and info on how to SELL the product and become financially

> independant. This

> > really turned me off >>>BIG TIME<<<

> >

> > The drug paradyme has got most of us thinking that

> > you take a pill for a set amount of time and then you are better and

> > don't need to take the pill anymore. If you are sick and we can assume

> > it is because of lack of good food, stress and toxins, then it only

> > makes sense that in order to change that pattern, you will need to

> > supplement for the rest of your life. Unless you are darn serious about

> > juicing organic vegies and fruits all day long. Even still as evidenced

> > by the studies being posted on this forum that will not supply enough to

> > stay healthy for most people. There is no magic bullet, but this

> > products is about as close as I have ever seen.

> >

> > >>>Would it cure my low thryoid problems and mercury toxicity then???

> >

> > >>>MONEY BEING MORE THAN SHORT, would you recommend I quit taking

> > thyroid and

> > adrenal support,chelating and taking the recommended supplements and

> opt for

> > the Mannatech products instead?

> >

> > >>>Again, I wish I could obtain a 8-10 month supply of it in bulk

> > ammounts so I

> > could try it - maybe it would work.

> >

> > In some cases it truly

> > does seem like magic, some others it takes more time.

> >

> > >>>I can only assume you are selling this product. I am not saying it

> > is bad,

> > but for all the money, my guess is there may be better places to

> spend it.

> >

> > >>>Please correct me if I am wrong.....I would like to be wrong, and if

> > I were,

> > I would like for somebody to front me the product long enough for me

> to get

> > well enough so I could sell it! If it could really " cure " me, I would

> really

> > WANT to sell it....but I don't know if I could sell it for the

> recommended

> > profit structure and such....

> >

> > >>>~Inga

> >

> >

> >

> > Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> > > on 4/1/05 8:26 AM, noaholiviaian at phaselow@... wrote:

> > >

> > > I don't have a child with Down Syndrome. I'm just intrigued by the

> > > claims of this product and curious as to why it hasn't caught on

> > > more rapidly if the results are so miraculous.

> > >

> > > >>>That is what I have wondered. I took some for awhile a few years

> > > ago....went

> > > to a great lecture about it too....signed up to be a distributor so I

> > could

> > > get my cost, but have to admit that I did not feel a thing from it.

> > Maybe I

> > > was so messed up it cold not make a notciable difference over a short

> > period

> > > of time.

> > >

> > > >>>Of course the gal who got me into it, says that it keeps her from

> > being

> > > dyslexic and has reversed her bone loss.

> > >

> > > >>>Hmmm..... It sounds like interesting stuff, and I am sure it is

> > > good, but I

> > > wonder if it is being given more hype than it deserves.

> > >

> > > >>>Truly don't know....and wondering myself. If it were really that

> > magic

> > > bullet, I would stop taking what I am taking now so I could afford the

> > > Ambrotose.

> > >

> > > >>>~Inga

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > to raise your defenses or cause argument.

> > >

> > > Thanks to everyone who is trying to explain this to me!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

on 4/5/05 10:45 AM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

wrote:

They did not have anyone to

> help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

> how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

> buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

> they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

> and I always recommend the bulk powder.

I checked and it shows to be $142 for 240 capsules , so that would be a 10

day supply for one person.

Then it lists 100 g bulk for $125. I do not know the size of the capsule

size or I could figure it out

How many day supply would this be?

~Inga

[Guest guest]

Hi Ingrid,

I will try to answer some of your questions from previous post and this

one also. So you told me you were taking bulk ambrotose and pytaloe.

This would be a good start but you would have need a products called

plus to address the endocrine problems. ALso I don't know if you had

already address the metals yet. The product immunostart is what I used

to chelate. It is very safe and FDA approved (not that I like FDA)The

other product would have been a vitamin mineral and also the

antioxidant. Regarding the list you gave me of the stuff you take now.

It looks like the list I had for 7 years. I now call this the swiss

cheese approach, it is full of holes! From everything I have learned,

and that is alot from mistakes made in years past, it is never best to

isolate so many nutrients and take them separate. Unless you have been

specifically tested to be deficient in that one thing, then I could see

it. ALl things must work with synergy. The food we eat never comes with

isolated nutrients, say an orange with only vitamin C. The body has its

most basic needs and when people pick and chose a few things so many

others are left unattended.Even though I thinki the food pyramid is

wrong, it would be like putting all vetables on there. It just does not

work that way. I would also ask you how much you are spending on these

17 things? You said the Mannatech was expensive but unless you are

buying your products at K-Mart, then you must be spending quite a bit.

Without knowing the brands and ingredients on all your products I cannot

comment on the quality or effectiveness. I will tell you that most

companies do not have Good Mfg. Practices, they do not have any

validation to back up their claims, and they use inferior raw materials

but make claims based on superior raw materials. An example of this is

aloe vera. It is very unstable, once cut from the plant, it is useless

in 2-6 hours. So someone finally figured out how to stabilze the

molucule in the aloe plant that has the beneficial qualities, the

molucule is called Mannose, and the man, Dr. MClley. Now do you

think the aloe for $2.99 at K-mart is stabilized aloe. No, but the

$30.00 bottle is, what one are you going to buy. Most companies count on

you buying the cheap one and hope you don't notice it does not work. SO

the next question I have is with all these 17 items you are using, are

you getting well? How long have you been on this protocol? I am not

picking on you, keep in mind I did this for 7 years, and was getting

sicker all the time. You had asked me if I could get metal poisoning

from the supplements I took. Yes! Progesterone cream (most of it) has

PEg-8 a chemical used as a pentrater, which has lead in it. The coral

calcium and cheap fish oil I was mega dosing on for a long time was

contaminated with mercury. My immune system was already so comprimised

from the lyme that there was no way my body could clean itself from any

of this. 1-1/2 years ago, I had low thyroid, other major hormonal

issues, chronic infections of the sinus, bladder , chest

(pnuemonia,bronchitis),bowel problems, short term memeory loss, my

speech was getting really messed up, blurry eyesite,extreme cold hands

and feet to the point of burning pain, hair falling out, I had gained 10

lbs form a weight I had been all my life, could not run because of

extreme muscle weakness,asthma, allergies,irregular heart beat, and the

list just goes on and on. Today I have none of these symtoms, except the

irregular heart beat comes on occaison. I have not had a single

infection, and every other function is now normal and better then I

rememeber for a long time. So you asked can this help your thyroid and

get rid of metal poisoning, it did for me, but I was faithful every day,

and took the four foundational products, plus enzymes and probiotics to

help with my bowel problems. So I don't know if that answers all your

questions, Oh, yeah about the price. The company just came out with a

new advanced ambrotose, it costs depends on associate or member cost,

the ones you were quoting was the ambrotose A/O this is not the

ambrotose powder, the capsules for that cost $33.00 per bottle and at

the rate of 24 capsules to = the bulk rate, it would cost $385.80 per

month!!!! Bulk is the only way to go. SO ambrotose would cost $72.00

member price and if used at the premium level would last 1 month. The

other products would total about another $100.00. So you are looking at

$172.00 for a program that works vs. your program which costs. ??? and

may or may not be working, does not sound like it anyway. So ask me some

more questions, and I will be happy to answer.

Ingrid Mager-Renault wrote:

> on 4/5/05 10:45 AM, Kindscher (Charter) at morningsunranch@...

> wrote:

>

> They did not have anyone to

> > help them understand the products or the correct amount to use or for

> > how long before they could expect results. The most common error is

> > buying the ambrotose capsules and taking only 2, when for most people

> > they would need 24 capsules per day. The capsules are not cost effective

> > and I always recommend the bulk powder.

>

>

> I checked and it shows to be $142 for 240 capsules , so that would be a 10

> day supply for one person.

>

> Then it lists 100 g bulk for $125. I do not know the size of the capsule

> size or I could figure it out

> How many day supply would this be?

> ~Inga

>

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