Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is there any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What clinical signs/symptoms should I look for? Nadine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 > > my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed > mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is there > any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What clinical > signs/symptoms should I look for? How much ALA, and how often are you giving it? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with meals). In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is getting a 60 mg dose instead. Nadine - ( > > > > my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed > > mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is there > > any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What clinical > > signs/symptoms should I look for? > > > How much ALA, and how often are you giving it? > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 He has not been high, but has had an altered zinc/copper ratio. I have removed a lot of the high-copper foods from his diet (soy, mainly) and have added zinc. Nadine > > Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) is a mercury chelator. As far as I > understand it is the only mercury chelator that crosses the blood- > brain barrier. Improper usage of any mercury chelator can and does > often cause extensive mercury redistribution problems. > > > > It is important to understand that chelators like ALA, DMSA, and > DMPS should not be used casually, but only within a safe chelation > protocol. > > [ ] using ALA alone > > > > > > > > my son is on cocktail to support the mitochondria for a presumed > > mitochondrial disorder. The antioxidant ALA is included. Is > there > > any risk to using this without other chelating agents? What > clinical > > signs/symptoms should I look for? > > > > Nadine > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Hi Dana, He is 51/2 and approx 54#. He is doing fine as far as I can tell. Nadine , " danasview " <danasview@y...> wrote: > > > > > > The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with meals). > > In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is > > getting a 60 mg dose instead. > > > I started my son [at age 5-1/2, about 50 pounds] with 25mg ALA 3x per > day. I did eventually work him up to 100mg ALA 3x per day, that was > the dose for the last 20-30 rounds or so. He was finished with > chelation at age 8. He did fine with this protocol, altho if I gave > the ALA more than 6 days in a row, he would get a nasty yeast > overgrowth issue. Plus his body would not have had any days to rest > from processing metals. > > So giving 60mg per dose, 3x per day, would have worked for my son when > he was about 7yo, except for the yeast issue if I gave it daily. How > old is your child, and how is he doing with the daily dose? > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 , No, 100mg/kg/day is the dose prescribed by the metabolic geneticist for augmentation of mitochondrial complex 1. That comes to 80mg three times a day for my son. It is not meant to be a chelation dose. My son weighs 54#, so I suppose by Andy's recommendation he should be receiving at most 26 mg every 3 hours (total of 208 mg/day). My son has been receiving 60mg with meals. Nadine > > > > The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with meals). > > In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is > > getting a 60 mg dose instead. > > > > Nadine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 If you start early morning on day one, you can stop late evening on day 3 so you only get to wake up 2 nights The Aim is 72 hours, not less than 64 hours MAndi in UK Also, in the andy protocol, when we say 3 days, does it also include 3 nights or two nights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Afetr how long did you start seeing progress? Should I expect any after the 1st round? Also, in the andy protocol, when we say 3 days, does it also include 3 nights or two nights? Am just about to finish round one where I am giving 5mg per dose. He is 40 pounds > ---------- > From: ferdeson[sMTP:ferdeson@...] > Sent: 03 April 2005 09:22 > > Subject: [ ] Re: using ALA alone > > > > Nadine, I guess you meant 10 mg/kg/day. > Andy recommends 1/8 to 1/2 of body weight in pounds. > If your son is 10 kg (= 22 lbs), that would be 3 to 10 mg every 3 hrs > for 3 days and nights. Then at least 3 days break. > If your son is mercury toxic, giving him that much ALA, everyday, on > that 3 times a day schedule could be very dangerous. > I started chelating my 2 yo with 4 mg and I saw amazing progress. The > dose does not have to be high to be effective. > > > > > > > The dose is 100mg/kg/day in divided doses (three times with meals). > > In my child, that would be 100 mg three times a day but he is > > getting a 60 mg dose instead. > > > > Nadine > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 > Afetr how long did you start seeing progress? 4-5 rounds. > Should I expect any after the > 1st round? unlikely. > > Also, in the andy protocol, when we say 3 days, does it also include 3 > nights or two nights? It is supposed to be 3 days and 3 nights. Be as close as 72 hrs as you can be. On the long run, it is hard to do 3 nights out of 7, every week. > > Am just about to finish round one where I am giving 5mg per dose. He is 40 > pounds Keep us posted. I hope you'll start seeing improvements in a few rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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