Re: /was: Silsby ASD Vitamin Supplement for chelation

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I am unfamiliar with the product. If you could post the ingredients others could

comment on it.

[ ] Silsby ASD Vitamin Supplement for chelation

My son is currently taking the Silsby Pharmacy ASD Vitamin Supplement

in preparation for chelation. Is anyone familiar with it and if so,

do you feel it contains adequate levels of everything?

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[Guest guest]

, it contains the following:

Vitamin A (as Vitamin A Acetate) 5000 iu

Vitamin C (as Sodium Asbcorbate) 500 mg

Vitamin D 200 iu

Vitamin E (as Vitamin E Succinate) 200 iu

Vitamin B-1 (as Thiamine HCI) 10 mg

Riboflavin-5-Phosphate (Vitamin B-2) 15 mg

Niacin (as Niacinamide) 40 mg

Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (Vitamin B-6) 25 mg

Biotin 150 mcg

Pantothenic Acid (as Ca. Pantothenate) 100 mg

Calcium Folinate 800 mcg

Chromium (as Chromium Picolinate )200 mcg elemental

Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 200 mcg elemental

Molybdenum 150 mcg elemental

Zinc (as Zinc Amino Acid Chelate) 30 mg elemental

Magnesium (as Magnesium Glycinate) 80 mg elemental

Calcium (as Calcium Citrate) 300 mg elemental

I believe this formulation came about as a result of a DAN

conference to get a good Vitamin/mineral supplement to support

chelation. I was planning to use it daily, whether I am chelating

or not. Can anyone comment as to whether it is adequate, and if

not, what am I missing that I should add in??

thanks,

> :

>

> I am unfamiliar with the product. If you could post the

ingredients others could comment on it.

>

>

> [ ] Silsby ASD Vitamin Supplement for

chelation

>

>

> My son is currently taking the Silsby Pharmacy ASD Vitamin

Supplement

> in preparation for chelation. Is anyone familiar with it and if

so,

> do you feel it contains adequate levels of everything?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

, it contains the following:

Vitamin A (as Vitamin A Acetate) 5000 iu

<<okay

Vitamin C (as Sodium Asbcorbate) 500 mg

<<500 mgs. needs to be given 3-4 times a day

Vitamin D 200 iu

<<inadequate

Vitamin E (as Vitamin E Succinate) 200 iu

<<good form of E and good amount

Vitamin B-1 (as Thiamine HCI) 10 mg

Riboflavin-5-Phosphate (Vitamin B-2) 15 mg

Niacin (as Niacinamide) 40 mg

Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (Vitamin B-6) 25 mg

Biotin 150 mcg

Pantothenic Acid (as Ca. Pantothenate) 100 mg

<<needs to be given 3-4 times a day.

Calcium Folinate 800 mcg

<<okay, but some kids get hyper if you give this much folic acid, watch for

hyperactivity

Chromium (as Chromium Picolinate )200 mcg elemental

Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 200 mcg elemental

Molybdenum 150 mcg elemental

Zinc (as Zinc Amino Acid Chelate) 30 mg elemental

<<okay, but zinc citrate is better

Magnesium (as Magnesium Glycinate) 80 mg elemental

<<<good form, inadequate amount, needs to be given 3-4 times a day.

Calcium (as Calcium Citrate) 300 mg elemental

<<Okay, if cf, kid needs much more, 800 mg.

I believe this formulation came about as a result of a DAN

conference to get a good Vitamin/mineral supplement to support

chelation.

<<<Shows you what DAN! people know, this is largely inadequate. Check the

www.onibasu.com and type in supplements to see appropriate amounts. C, B,

magnesium need to be given 3-4 times a day. Gosh, I wish it was this easy. Don't

skip this as you can make the kid pretty sick if there is not enough of these.

I was planning to use it daily, whether I am chelating

or not. Can anyone comment as to whether it is adequate, and if

not, what am I missing that I should add in??

thanks,

> :

>

> I am unfamiliar with the product. If you could post the

ingredients others could comment on it.

>

>

> [ ] Silsby ASD Vitamin Supplement for

chelation

>

>

> My son is currently taking the Silsby Pharmacy ASD Vitamin

Supplement

> in preparation for chelation. Is anyone familiar with it and if

so,

> do you feel it contains adequate levels of everything?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> Biotin 150 mcg

If your child is biotin deficient, this dose will cause constipation

as the biotin will deplete magnesium to be absorbed. At least this is

my family's experience. You might consider giving at least 150mg or

more magnesium, if you notice constipation.

> Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 200 mcg elemental

I would start with 100mcg, unless the child is older, like maybe age 8

or so. Selenium can be toxic once any deficiency is addressed, and

this dose seems high to me.

> Calcium (as Calcium Citrate) 300 mg elemental

My son is calcium toxic, so giving any calcium causes hyper and other

problems. I am actually using IP6 to reduce calcium [and iron]. If

your child was one who drank milk all the time, you might consider this.

However, if your child shows signs of calcium deficiency, or is cf and

not toxic, you should be giving at least 800mg for most kids over age 4.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

My son is also getting another mineral supplement, Citramin II from

Thorne along with this vitamin product that supplies more calcium.

He is casein free so sufficient calcium has always been a big

concern for us since we could never supplement; he always wigged

out. Then I read somewhere that mercury binds to calcium sites so

when you start supplementing with calcium the mercury gets displaced

and therefore you can see behavior problems. Not sure if this is

true or not, but we are not noticing any increase in hyperactivity

with the ASD and Citramin II.

I was worried about the selenium dose too but the dr. says higher is

better because of the metals. He is doing better since taking both

these supplements; the problem is the ASD is a powder you mix with

liquids and he hates the taste. Short of putting it into capsules

myself, which he has no trouble swallowing, I'm not sure how much

longer I can force feed it to him. Do you or anyone else have a

recommendation for a good multi vitamin supplement to use while

chelating??

thanks,

> > Biotin 150 mcg

>

>

> If your child is biotin deficient, this dose will cause

constipation

> as the biotin will deplete magnesium to be absorbed. At least

this is

> my family's experience. You might consider giving at least 150mg

or

> more magnesium, if you notice constipation.

>

>

> > Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 200 mcg elemental

>

>

> I would start with 100mcg, unless the child is older, like maybe

age 8

> or so. Selenium can be toxic once any deficiency is addressed, and

> this dose seems high to me.

>

>

> > Calcium (as Calcium Citrate) 300 mg elemental

>

>

> My son is calcium toxic, so giving any calcium causes hyper and

other

> problems. I am actually using IP6 to reduce calcium [and iron].

If

> your child was one who drank milk all the time, you might consider

this.

>

> However, if your child shows signs of calcium deficiency, or is cf

and

> not toxic, you should be giving at least 800mg for most kids over

age 4.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

We use Life Extension Mix without Copper and with Stevia. It's not bad. They

also have the same multivitamin/mineral in capsules. We got great improvement

with it. It does have NAC in it. Not for high plasma cysteine kids.

Re: [ ]/was: Silsby ASD Vitamin Supplement for

chelation

Dana,

My son is also getting another mineral supplement, Citramin II from

Thorne along with this vitamin product that supplies more calcium.

He is casein free so sufficient calcium has always been a big

concern for us since we could never supplement; he always wigged

out. Then I read somewhere that mercury binds to calcium sites so

when you start supplementing with calcium the mercury gets displaced

and therefore you can see behavior problems. Not sure if this is

true or not, but we are not noticing any increase in hyperactivity

with the ASD and Citramin II.

I was worried about the selenium dose too but the dr. says higher is

better because of the metals. He is doing better since taking both

these supplements; the problem is the ASD is a powder you mix with

liquids and he hates the taste. Short of putting it into capsules

myself, which he has no trouble swallowing, I'm not sure how much

longer I can force feed it to him. Do you or anyone else have a

recommendation for a good multi vitamin supplement to use while

chelating??

thanks,

> > Biotin 150 mcg

>

>

> If your child is biotin deficient, this dose will cause

constipation

> as the biotin will deplete magnesium to be absorbed. At least

this is

> my family's experience. You might consider giving at least 150mg

or

> more magnesium, if you notice constipation.

>

>

> > Selenium (as L-selenomethionine) 200 mcg elemental

>

>

> I would start with 100mcg, unless the child is older, like maybe

age 8

> or so. Selenium can be toxic once any deficiency is addressed, and

> this dose seems high to me.

>

>

> > Calcium (as Calcium Citrate) 300 mg elemental

>

>

> My son is calcium toxic, so giving any calcium causes hyper and

other

> problems. I am actually using IP6 to reduce calcium [and iron].

If

> your child was one who drank milk all the time, you might consider

this.

>

> However, if your child shows signs of calcium deficiency, or is cf

and

> not toxic, you should be giving at least 800mg for most kids over

age 4.

>

> Dana

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:30:51 AM Central Standard Time,

danasview@... writes:

Calcium causes him to get VERY hyper and oppositional.

Doesn't your child need calcium since he isn't eating any dairy products?

[Guest guest]

>>Then I read somewhere that mercury binds to calcium sites so

> when you start supplementing with calcium the mercury gets displaced

> and therefore you can see behavior problems. Not sure if this is

> true or not, but we are not noticing any increase in hyperactivity

> with the ASD and Citramin II.

My son is fully chelated, so there is no more mercury in his body.

Calcium causes him to get VERY hyper and oppositional.

I am using IP6 to remove the excess calcium. If I try to reduce the

dose, I regret it.

>>Do you or anyone else have a

> recommendation for a good multi vitamin supplement to use while

> chelating??

My son never tolerated multis, because they contain iron or calcium,

which my son has toxic levels of. So I can't really recommend any.

You can browse online suppliers, see if you can find anything that

might work for you.

http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#supplements

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Calcium causes him to get VERY hyper and oppositional.

>

> Doesn't your child need calcium since he isn't eating any dairy

products?

He eats minimal dairy products, but he is apparently VERY calcium

toxic from drinking a TON of milk when he was younger. Even when he

was cf for over 2 years, I never could supplement calcium, because it

caused problems. He went 2+ years without any calcium at all, but

never developed signs of deficiency. Right now I am giving him IP6 to

reduce his calcium [and iron] toxicity, and if I reduce the dose, I

seriously regret it.

So no, my child does not need calcium even tho he is not really eating

any dairy. He needs to get rid of what he already has.

Dana