Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yep. Meets the diagnostic criteria of Asperger's disorder. Textbook case down to the preoccupation with the cars. Even though they are very bright, there will be deficits in their intellect, such as sequencing, which is most frequent. Abstract thinking often escapes them, they are extremely literal. Another deficit is that they lack the ability to perceive anyone else's personal experience/world. They cannot tell another's motivation, so are gullable and naive. They frequently do not read others' nonverbal body language, so peer relationships are a nightmare for them. They often gravitate toward adults as adults are more predictable. Life is hard as they do not fit in with other children. [ ] Asperger Syndrome ??? I met this woman that has the most brillant child. He is 7 years old and will sit and have a conversation like he is an adult. He is obsessed with cars, He not only knows the name he knows the model! The mother told me he started doing this when he was two years old, She said that they were driving down the road and there he was in his car seat and looked at a truck up ahead and said in his baby voice " Volvo " The mother didnt think anything of it (she didnt know Volvo made trucks) When she got up closer she saw that it was a volvo truck. He is very intelligent, beyond his years. One time I walked in to their house, The first thing this " grown up child " said was " So what did you think of the race last night " Hes only 7 years old! And he said it in such a serious tone of voice. I seen her today, and she told me that her son has very sensitive hearing, Hypohearing. He can not stand loud noises. Not even the vaccum cleaner. He is also on allergy shots every month. Does this sound like a child with Asperger syndrome? I have never met a child like this before. Thanks, Donna ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Yes, sounds like Asperger's to me. I'll be going to the AANE (Asperger's Association of New England) conference in Marlborough, MA on Oct 1. Anybody else here going? They've lined up Oliver Sacks as keynote speaker! S S <tt> I met this woman that has the most brillant child. He is 7 years old <BR> and will sit and have a conversation like he is an adult. He is <BR> obsessed with cars, He not only knows the name he knows the model! <BR> The mother told me he started doing this when he was two years old, <BR> She said that they were driving down the road and there he was in <BR> his car seat and looked at a truck up ahead and said in his baby <BR> voice " Volvo " The mother didnt think anything of it (she didnt know <BR> Volvo made trucks) When she got up closer she saw that it was a <BR> volvo truck.<BR> He is very intelligent, beyond his years. One time I walked in to <BR> their house, The first thing this " grown up child " said was " So what <BR> did you think of the race last night " Hes only 7 years old! And he <BR> said it in such a serious tone of voice. <BR> <BR> I seen her today, and she told me that her son has very sensitive <BR> hearing, Hypohearing. He can not stand loud noises. Not even the <BR> vaccum cleaner. <BR> <BR> He is also on allergy shots every month.<BR> <BR> <BR> Does this sound like a child with Asperger syndrome? I have never <BR> met a child like this before.<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> <BR> Donna<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Wow, Thanks. I knew there was something here, Her husband comes from a family of doctors including two of his brothers. So I have to be really careful on how I bring up the Rhogam/Mercury issue. The mother is also a rhogam mom and was injected with rhogam while pregnant. I did tell her about my son and rhogam/mercury, She was all ears. After I told her thats when I found out she was a rhogam mom as well. I dont think her child has been diagnosed. I am going to see her tomorrow and hopefully I will be able to bring up the mercury/rhogam issue again. I feel so sad for her child. He is brillant, But its like he doesnt have a childhood. Thanks, Donna > Yep. Meets the diagnostic criteria of Asperger's disorder. Textbook case down to the preoccupation with the cars. Even though they are very bright, there will be deficits in their intellect, such as sequencing, which is most frequent. Abstract thinking often escapes them, they are extremely literal. > > Another deficit is that they lack the ability to perceive anyone else's personal experience/world. They cannot tell another's motivation, so are gullable and naive. They frequently do not read others' nonverbal body language, so peer relationships are a nightmare for them. They often gravitate toward adults as adults are more predictable. Life is hard as they do not fit in with other children. > > > [ ] Asperger Syndrome ??? > > > I met this woman that has the most brillant child. He is 7 years old > and will sit and have a conversation like he is an adult. He is > obsessed with cars, He not only knows the name he knows the model! > The mother told me he started doing this when he was two years old, > She said that they were driving down the road and there he was in > his car seat and looked at a truck up ahead and said in his baby > voice " Volvo " The mother didnt think anything of it (she didnt know > Volvo made trucks) When she got up closer she saw that it was a > volvo truck. > He is very intelligent, beyond his years. One time I walked in to > their house, The first thing this " grown up child " said was " So what > did you think of the race last night " Hes only 7 years old! And he > said it in such a serious tone of voice. > > I seen her today, and she told me that her son has very sensitive > hearing, Hypohearing. He can not stand loud noises. Not even the > vaccum cleaner. > > He is also on allergy shots every month. > > > Does this sound like a child with Asperger syndrome? I have never > met a child like this before. > > Thanks, > > Donna > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 > Yep. Meets the diagnostic criteria of Asperger's disorder. Textbook case down to the preoccupation with the cars. Even though they are very bright, there will be deficits in their intellect, such as sequencing, which is most frequent. Abstract thinking often escapes them, they are extremely literal. For my Asperger's son, the antiviral Virastop made an enormous difference in the clarity of his thinking. I'm not skilled enough to characterize it exactly, but he was able to focus better, think more deeply and broadly, be less intent on the details. > > Another deficit is that they lack the ability to perceive anyone else's personal experience/world. They cannot tell another's motivation, so are gullable and naive. They frequently do not read others' nonverbal body language, so peer relationships are a nightmare for them. They often gravitate toward adults as adults are more predictable. Life is hard as they do not fit in with other children. This was completely true of my son before biomed. No friends, no empathy, didn't get people at all. Now though he meets up with new kids at the pool or wherever and runs off playing with them, no problem. At school he's made friends too, although he's not gotten to the bosom-buddies stage yet. Whenever I tell anyone he's got an AS dx the don't believe me. The three most helpful things for social interaction have been Houston enzymes, yeast treatment, and of course chelation. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Donna, For a slightly different view of that: Gifted kids commonly have allergies; they have social issues with kids their age which are caused by the fact that their age mates cannot relate to them intellectually and this causes them to gravitate to older kids or adults; it is not at all uncommon for gifted kids to become " obsessed " with a particular topic and want to know everything there is to know about it; sensory issues are also common in gifted individuals (look up 'Dabrowskian Sensitivities " or " overexcitabilities " for more info on that). It is also my understanding that every kid with an IQ over 200 who was interviewed for the book " Different Minds " also had a dx of Asperger's. I have seen several articles hypothesizing that historical geniuses like Einstein and angelo would have also qualified for a diagnosis of " asperger's " . In my opinion, some of the things which significantly distinguish " normal " gifted issues from asperger's are the literal-mindedness found in aspies and the lack of superfical affect. My personal observation is that aspies do have emotions, but they are better described by the old fashioned phrase " still waters run deep " . My oldest child does love me and his brother but he does not readily bond to new people. Like any normal person, he is capable of establishing a deep meaningful bond over a long period of time but he doesn't care at all about people he knows only superficially. For more info, you could see my website (link in my signature block) -- specifically the section called " Asperger's Syndrome: A Working Hypothesis " -- and also http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/ which is a major web portal for giftedness. Uniquely Gifted http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/ is another good source for this topic as it specifically addresses kids who are twice exceptional -- ie kids who are BOTH exceptionally bright kids and also learning disabled or otherwise " exceptional " in some other way. There is enough overlap of " gifted " traits and " aspie " traits (as well as ADD or ADHD) that I am periodically asked what the difference is by new people on gifted lists who start hearing about the non-stop talking, " obsession " with a topic, etc. of aspies and get very worried that their perfectly normal gifted kid has some disorder. HTH, Michele in California calif.michele@... webmaster@... Visit Michele's World! of (Twice) Exceptional Homeschooling http://www.califmichele.com " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. " -- Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Oh Nell .. so glad to hear your son has done better on biomeds! Mine too! He didn't appear to have any before he was fogged out with foods he was allergic too. My son is extremely bright but he's a fun loving, happy kid now too WITH FRIENDS! He's past the withdrawal stage as its been about a month on a dairy/soy free diet and it was rocky emotionally for him but he's a different child. Thank God I found a local DAN! doctor to help us! He doesn't even think he is Asperger's anymore ... just undiagnosed food allergies and very smart. He takes enzymes, probiotics, calcium, lots of vitamins, cod liver oil (he looks at me now!!!) and fish oil. Donna ... as you know, kids are a touchy subject with any parent. I've met parents who I *know* their kids need help but they are just so proud of their young child's knowledge of a subject even if it is so narrowly focused. It's tough ... very tough to try to help other parents see what they don't want to see as a deficit ... I try really hard to balance my son so he doesn't go to far in one topic. I started reading about Asperger's when he was 4.5 and he's 6 now. We just started biomeds this summer and its unbelievable how much it has opened up his world ... he hears me now, he looks at me now and he most importantly of all, plays with friends! I wish mainstream medicine would get a clue ... I asked them to test my son for allergies last September and they did tests that said he was fine ... so I continued to feed him foods that made him tired, bowel problems, inattentiveness, all the diagnostic criteria of kids on the spectrum .. not anymore - he's a different kid today. That gook Children with Starving Brains is a great start ... or the the one on Enzymes and Autism and other nuerological disorders - maybe you could give them to your friend? Kathy > > Yep. Meets the diagnostic criteria of Asperger's disorder. Textbook > case down to the preoccupation with the cars. Even though they are > very bright, there will be deficits in their intellect, such as > sequencing, which is most frequent. Abstract thinking often escapes > them, they are extremely literal. > > For my Asperger's son, the antiviral Virastop made an enormous > difference in the clarity of his thinking. I'm not skilled enough to > characterize it exactly, but he was able to focus better, think more > deeply and broadly, be less intent on the details. > > > > > Another deficit is that they lack the ability to perceive anyone > else's personal experience/world. They cannot tell another's > motivation, so are gullable and naive. They frequently do not read > others' nonverbal body language, so peer relationships are a nightmare > for them. They often gravitate toward adults as adults are more > predictable. Life is hard as they do not fit in with other children. > > This was completely true of my son before biomed. No friends, no > empathy, didn't get people at all. Now though he meets up with new > kids at the pool or wherever and runs off playing with them, no > problem. At school he's made friends too, although he's not gotten to > the bosom-buddies stage yet. Whenever I tell anyone he's got an AS dx > the don't believe me. The three most helpful things for social > interaction have been Houston enzymes, yeast treatment, and of course > chelation. > > Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Donna, My girlfriend's son is also like an adult in a child's body. One on one, he is AWESOME and sweet and such a pleasure compared to the regular onslaught of 9 year old conversation! You can tell he doesn't understand his peers. Of course, they don't get him either. A lot of anger is welling up inside as well as feelings of hopelessness and self-harm. This boy was recently diagnosed with Aspergers. It took several evals and the push of one doc in particular to make the diagnosis believable to the father (doc) and the therapists already involved in the family. There are many sensory issues: mostly tactile (can only wear certain socks, used to wear socks on his hands, etc). I know this boy will be OK if we can get him through adolescence without major psychological damage. He is a magnet for teasing and his reaction (major meltdowns) is just what the kids are looking for. Some of what this family has done or considered are this: private school (he did SO WELL at one type of school that was more Waldorf- like), Occupational Therapy, Melatonin (if he has sleep issues), Feingold diet, a therapy dog (for now they are using their wonderful Retriever) and TONS of talk therapy with a MALE therapist. They are trying to find a young man to hook him up with... more of a Big Brother thing. If this boy is athletic at all, I would find a sport. An individual sport. My girlfriend's son is in martial arts and excels when he isn't pitching a fit! I am working on this family myself! The mom is my dear friend. Now her youngest is being plopped on the spectrum. She is overwhelmed but willing to look at alternative treatments after listening to me and seeing Ian improve (they now live 2000 miles away). This boy also gets weekly allergy shots. Interesting stuff as far as cognitive testing goes. I can't remember exactly how this boy tested, but he had some major discrepencies in certain areas. I think sequencing was the big defecit. He has little sense of sarcasm and trouble with empathy. He failed to test in to the gifted/talented program in grade school. Amazing. I am babbling too much for sending this publicly to the entire list. I guess I just miss my girlfriend! Pam > > Yep. Meets the diagnostic criteria of Asperger's disorder. > Textbook case down to the preoccupation with the cars. Even though > they are very bright, there will be deficits in their intellect, > such as sequencing, which is most frequent. Abstract thinking often > escapes them, they are extremely literal. > > > > Another deficit is that they lack the ability to perceive anyone > else's personal experience/world. They cannot tell another's > motivation, so are gullable and naive. They frequently do not read > others' nonverbal body language, so peer relationships are a > nightmare for them. They often gravitate toward adults as adults are > more predictable. Life is hard as they do not fit in with other > children. > > > > > > [ ] Asperger Syndrome ??? > > > > > > I met this woman that has the most brillant child. He is 7 years > old > > and will sit and have a conversation like he is an adult. He is > > obsessed with cars, He not only knows the name he knows the > model! > > The mother told me he started doing this when he was two years > old, > > She said that they were driving down the road and there he was > in > > his car seat and looked at a truck up ahead and said in his baby > > voice " Volvo " The mother didnt think anything of it (she didnt > know > > Volvo made trucks) When she got up closer she saw that it was a > > volvo truck. > > He is very intelligent, beyond his years. One time I walked in > to > > their house, The first thing this " grown up child " said was " So > what > > did you think of the race last night " Hes only 7 years old! And > he > > said it in such a serious tone of voice. > > > > I seen her today, and she told me that her son has very > sensitive > > hearing, Hypohearing. He can not stand loud noises. Not even the > > vaccum cleaner. > > > > He is also on allergy shots every month. > > > > > > Does this sound like a child with Asperger syndrome? I have > never > > met a child like this before. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Yes, it does. You've described my son. However, my son is an expert on animals. You name it, and he'll tell you everything about them, including what continent they are from or state, etc. He has been this way since 2, and he began reading by 3. He taught himself. a J > I met this woman that has the most brillant child. He is 7 years old > and will sit and have a conversation like he is an adult. He is > obsessed with cars, He not only knows the name he knows the model! > The mother told me he started doing this when he was two years old, > She said that they were driving down the road and there he was in > his car seat and looked at a truck up ahead and said in his baby > voice " Volvo " The mother didnt think anything of it (she didnt know > Volvo made trucks) When she got up closer she saw that it was a > volvo truck. > He is very intelligent, beyond his years. One time I walked in to > their house, The first thing this " grown up child " said was " So what > did you think of the race last night " Hes only 7 years old! And he > said it in such a serious tone of voice. > > I seen her today, and she told me that her son has very sensitive > hearing, Hypohearing. He can not stand loud noises. Not even the > vaccum cleaner. > > He is also on allergy shots every month. > > > Does this sound like a child with Asperger syndrome? I have never > met a child like this before. > > Thanks, > > Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 > I met this woman that has the most brillant child. He is 7 years old > and will sit and have a conversation like he is an adult. This is a good description of my #1. > I seen her today, and she told me that her son has very sensitive > hearing, Hypohearing. He can not stand loud noises. Not even the > vaccum cleaner. This was yeast overgrowth for my kids. http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm > He is also on allergy shots every month. Common for biomedically-induced autism/AS. > Does this sound like a child with Asperger syndrome? I have never > met a child like this before. Yep, sounds like my #1, altho he is much better now with biomedical intervention. Still brilliant, also plays with other kids and has expanded his interests. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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