Re: Still, more questions about the AC protocol

[Guest guest]

--- Beti <mbdpargun@...> wrote:

> 1) If TD-DMPS does not pull out the good minerals

> according to Dr.

> Cutler, is there a reason to double their dose on

> off days as most

> parents are doing?

Minerals are never suspended under AC's protocol.

So minerals are never doubled.

> 2) I understand that the main reason behind the

> low-dose, constant pull

> of the 3/4 schedule is to prevent the redistribution

> of Hg and its

> accumulation in other organs. But after three days

> of 3x3x8 mg dosing

> of TD-DMPS, isn't it inevitable to still have a

> redistribution problem

> by the end of day three and in fact a worse one?

There is redistribution once a week after the

round under AC's, rather than 3 or 4 times a week

under Buttar's.

> 3) Wouldn't dividing the total dose to three (in our

> case 24 drops : 3=

> 8 drops) weaken the effectivenes of each pull?

Yes.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I know Steve already responded, but I don't think he addressed your question

about AC's protocal potentially causing a worse redistribution. The whole goal

of this protocal is to have smaller, more consistent pulls, so that the body is

less overwhelmed during the elimination process, and also, to minimize the

amount of metals that is ultimately redistributed. So, while there would be the

one redistribution at the end of the 3 days, the body would have been moving and

eliminating metals over the course of that time and much less would actually be

available to redistribute.

With the Buttar protocal, a very large pull is done at once. This is obviosuly

much harder for the body to effectively eliminate. Thus, the redistribution

would probably not only be larger, but you woudl have 3 or 4 in a week, vs only

one.

Hope this helps. If I screwed anything up, please keep me honest. That is my

understanding.

Ruth

Beti <mbdpargun@...> wrote:

1) If TD-DMPS does not pull out the good minerals according to Dr.

Cutler, is there a reason to double their dose on off days as most

parents are doing?

2) I understand that the main reason behind the low-dose, constant pull

of the 3/4 schedule is to prevent the redistribution of Hg and its

accumulation in other organs. But after three days of 3x3x8 mg dosing

of TD-DMPS, isn't it inevitable to still have a redistribution problem

by the end of day three and in fact a worse one?

3) Wouldn't dividing the total dose to three (in our case 24 drops : 3=

8 drops) weaken the effectivenes of each pull?

Please help a new member of the group sort things out!

Thanks.

Beti

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Ruth, thanks so much for your response. It does make sense. This

also might have been discussed before, so please excuse my

repetition of certain questions, but do you know why Dr. Cutler

recommends ALA every 3 hours? I'm assuming that it's because of its

half life.

Best,

Beti

>

> 1) If TD-DMPS does not pull out the good minerals according to Dr.

> Cutler, is there a reason to double their dose on off days as most

> parents are doing?

>

> 2) I understand that the main reason behind the low-dose, constant

pull

> of the 3/4 schedule is to prevent the redistribution of Hg and its

> accumulation in other organs. But after three days of 3x3x8 mg

dosing

> of TD-DMPS, isn't it inevitable to still have a redistribution

problem

> by the end of day three and in fact a worse one?

>

> 3) Wouldn't dividing the total dose to three (in our case 24

drops : 3=

> 8 drops) weaken the effectivenes of each pull?

>

> Please help a new member of the group sort things out!

> Thanks.

> Beti

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - same reasoning as below, only shorter half life.

Beti <mbdpargun@...> wrote:

Ruth, thanks so much for your response. It does make sense. This

also might have been discussed before, so please excuse my

repetition of certain questions, but do you know why Dr. Cutler

recommends ALA every 3 hours? I'm assuming that it's because of its

half life.

Best,

Beti

>

> 1) If TD-DMPS does not pull out the good minerals according to Dr.

> Cutler, is there a reason to double their dose on off days as most

> parents are doing?

>

> 2) I understand that the main reason behind the low-dose, constant

pull

> of the 3/4 schedule is to prevent the redistribution of Hg and its

> accumulation in other organs. But after three days of 3x3x8 mg

dosing

> of TD-DMPS, isn't it inevitable to still have a redistribution

problem

> by the end of day three and in fact a worse one?

>

> 3) Wouldn't dividing the total dose to three (in our case 24

drops : 3=

> 8 drops) weaken the effectivenes of each pull?

>

> Please help a new member of the group sort things out!

> Thanks.

> Beti

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> > With the Buttar protocal, a very large pull is done at once.

This is obviosuly much harder for the body to effectively

eliminate. Thus, the redistribution would probably not only be

larger, but you woudl have 3 or 4 in a week, vs only one.

>

> Hope this helps. If I screwed anything up, please keep me honest.

That is my understanding.

>

> Ruth

I agree with the part about ONE last dose (which allows

for redistribution) versus THREE, in a week.

But I want to add one more point to this. If EVERY

dose is a last dose (Buttar protocol) it is not JUST

that you have MORE (3 a week) occassions for possible

redistribution. It is also that you have MUCH LESS

opportunity for effective chelation.

It is the RATIO of the amount of time " on " to the

last dose -- this is why 3 days is important, and

why 5 days is slightly better than 3 days.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Can you explan this more fully?

moriamerri <moriam@...> wrote:It is the RATIO of the amount of time

" on " to the

last dose -- this is why 3 days is important, and

why 5 days is slightly better than 3 days.

[Guest guest]

> moriamerri <moriam@e...> wrote:It is the RATIO of the amount of

time " on " to the

> last dose -- this is why 3 days is important, and

> why 5 days is slightly better than 3 days.

>

" Setlak, Dan & Ruth " <dan-ruth-setlak@s...> wrote:

> Can you explan this more fully?

I'll try but I'm not sure how well I'll do. I'm trying

to think of an analogy and not coming up with anything

adequate.

Let's say you have a 5-day cycle, with DMPS every 8 hours

(at least) for 5 days, then you stop.

So, in that cycle there are 5 days and 5 nights, and almost

all of that time there is a fairly constant level of

chelation agent in the bloodstream, resulting in effective

removal of mercury. Toward the very end it will taper

off, but MOST of that time 5 days + 5 nights, we will

say is " effective " . That is the time that chelation is

happening. That is what we want, right?

After the last dose is given, for some amount of time,

there is mercury that has been freed up but doesn't have

any chelation agent present to pick it up. This is

when redistribution can happen.

In a 5-day cycle, there is, say, 5 x 24 hours of " effective "

time, to one redistribution time.

In a 3-day cycle, there is 3 x 24 hours of " effective " time,

to one redistribution time.

Because the 5 day cycle has more of the " effective " time

with the same " 1 redistribution time " , it is " better " .

The RATIO of " good " time to " redistribution time " is better.

Andy has said that 1 day cycles are " not a good idea " because

people who have tried it tend to have more problems. So, that

seems to be " not long enough " , in practice, for enough

effective chelation to happen.

I think I'm doing " sort of okay " at explaining this, although

I'm ignoring certain details.

One complicating factor that is actually important is that

redistribution is NOT just " a little bit goes back " . It is

" a little bit goes back " but IN A WORSE WAY. It goes back

to worse places.

did that help?

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

If you do the Cutler protocol, you do minerals all the time, not double.

Also, you will not have the same amount of redistribution because it only

happens once, at the end. We do just DMSA the last two doses and that seems

to help.

The dose-pulling ratio does not go up directly. In other words, if you

double the dose, you don't get double the mercury.

Barb

[ ] Still, more questions about the AC protocol

>

> 1) If TD-DMPS does not pull out the good minerals according to Dr.

> Cutler, is there a reason to double their dose on off days as most

> parents are doing?

>

> 2) I understand that the main reason behind the low-dose, constant pull

> of the 3/4 schedule is to prevent the redistribution of Hg and its

> accumulation in other organs. But after three days of 3x3x8 mg dosing

> of TD-DMPS, isn't it inevitable to still have a redistribution problem

> by the end of day three and in fact a worse one?

>

> 3) Wouldn't dividing the total dose to three (in our case 24 drops : 3=

> 8 drops) weaken the effectivenes of each pull?

>

> Please help a new member of the group sort things out!

> Thanks.

> Beti

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

We do this for two doses and it seems to help.

Barb

[ ] Re: Still, more questions about the AC protocol

>

>

>>

>> I'll try but I'm not sure how well I'll do. I'm trying

>> to think of an analogy and not coming up with anything

>> adequate.

>>

>> Let's say you have a 5-day cycle, with DMPS every 8 hours

>> (at least) for 5 days, then you stop.

>> So, in that cycle there are 5 days and 5 nights, and almost

>> all of that time there is a fairly constant level of

>> chelation agent in the bloodstream, resulting in effective

>> removal of mercury. Toward the very end it will taper

>> off, but MOST of that time 5 days + 5 nights, we will

>> say is " effective " . That is the time that chelation is

>> happening. That is what we want, right?

>> After the last dose is given, for some amount of time,

>> there is mercury that has been freed up but doesn't have

>> any chelation agent present to pick it up. This is

>> when redistribution can happen.

>>

>> In a 5-day cycle, there is, say, 5 x 24 hours of " effective "

>> time, to one redistribution time.

>>

>> In a 3-day cycle, there is 3 x 24 hours of " effective " time,

>> to one redistribution time.

>>

>> Because the 5 day cycle has more of the " effective " time

>> with the same " 1 redistribution time " , it is " better " .

>>

>> The RATIO of " good " time to " redistribution time " is better.

>>

>> Andy has said that 1 day cycles are " not a good idea " because

>> people who have tried it tend to have more problems. So, that

>> seems to be " not long enough " , in practice, for enough

>> effective chelation to happen.

>>

>> I think I'm doing " sort of okay " at explaining this, although

>> I'm ignoring certain details.

>>

>> One complicating factor that is actually important is that

>> redistribution is NOT just " a little bit goes back " . It is

>> " a little bit goes back " but IN A WORSE WAY. It goes back

>> to worse places.

>>

>> did that help?

>>

>> good wishes,

>> Moria

>

> Thank you for that Moria. You explained it well.

>

> Regarding the comment " After the last dose is given, for some amount

> of time, there is mercury that has been freed up but doesn't have any

> chelation agent present to pick it up. This is when redistribution

> can happen. "

>

> I agree with what this fully...

> However, wouldn't it be a help if the `freed up' mercury could

> continue to be removed by chelation for a while? After the alpha

> lipoic acid is stopped why not continue with the chelating agent

> (DMSA or DMPS) for another day say so that the `freed up' mercury is

> being scavenged a little longer?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>