Re: Advanced Biocidin-Mandy? - Joy

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In a message dated 16/07/2005 07:30:22 GMT Daylight Time, joymroscoe@...

writes:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who had this reaction to biocidin. My

daughter

was severely ill from her die off after one drop. She is improving now

after

two weeks, and even though her reaction was horrific, I think I can see now

that her gut is abit better. I am extremely wary of the product now, and

need

to look at other options.

Hi Joy

The symptoms above lasted about 2-3 weeks as I recall. Bicodin is a very

effectoive but also has a lot of different stuff in.

Its so hard to distinguish between die off and sensitive to supp type

reactions when treating gut bugs because the they seem the same.............

GSE was always like that with us - same reactions, rash much worse than with

Biocidin and in those days he was in nappies and even if the nappy was

changed immediately his skin looked burnt where he wee'd but used to resolve in

a

few hours. Never could work out whether that was an intolerance to GSE or die

off.

I caused a major die off in myself by plowing in with 2 Candex and being ill

for 36 hours, if fact I thought I was going to die, it was awful. We have to

keep things managable for the kids but need keep chipping away.

Do you do HNI enzymes? They help in many ways with gut bugs, not least by

improving digestion and reducing the amount of gut bug food matter in the gut.

Keep a note of whether you have odd behaviours, inclduing hyper and see if

this is cyclical around the full moon. Parasites are nasty little critters,

worse than yeast in MHO and you get nasty die off treating those fist time

round.

I am finding Sacc Bourlardi from Kirkman very effective now, we used it

first 3 years or so ago and again, die off reaction from hell.......

Keep the Biocidin safe, you are likely to be able to come back it later when

things are less acute. If one drop is too much still, put the one drop in a

little water and then give her just a drop or two of the diluted liquid to

start with.

The good news is this will get better as chelation progresses, don't get

discoraged, just keep chipping away

Mandi in UK

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In a message dated 16/07/2005 11:49:29 GMT Daylight Time, lanellici@...

writes:

ACK! I had to go lie down for a few hours, felt sweaty and shaky and

terrible. Don't know if it was die-off or intolerance to the SF722 --

but if that's what die-off feels like, oh our poor kiddos!

>>>Oh yes that was it plus vomiting and squits, high temperature, aching

bones, I threw up the activated charcoal, oh what a state I was in. I

Interestingly, I am now just doing Sacc Bourlardi on me and thats working

fine - fingers crossed. Lord knows what is goign to be like chelating myself, I

am scared to death, two more amalgams to go and I have no

excuses.............

Mandi x

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In a message dated 16/07/2005 09:31:27 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@...

writes:

Do you do HNI enzymes? They help in many ways with gut bugs, not least by

improving digestion and reducing the amount of gut bug food matter in the

gut.

Hi Mandi

I have tried houston enzymes but got some hyper reactions, so am now trying

some of kirkman's multi-enzyme formula, just one a day at breakfast at the

moment. I've had a phone consult with and she has recommended l-glutamine

and colostrum aswell so we've just started with that. Her gut is a total mess,

I'm not sure that I can continue with ALA after the reaction she had to

biocidin. Sure scared me to death, her skin is still peeling off two weeks

later. She is on threelac and 8 biokult a day, so if this isn't enough to manage

yeast from ALA then I don't know what would be. I'm reluctant to buy any more

supps, I've spent a bomb this last month.

We've stopped chelating while she settles down, and recommended to stop

the ALA and just continue with TD-DMPS for now. We've sent an OATS test, and

done some kidney and liver function screening which aren't back yet.

Made me feel abit out of my depth trying to manage this process! I've been

worried sick thinking that I was harming her. And I will never know whether her

reaction was a die-off or an allergic reaction to biocidin. The ingredients

are simply listed as grapefruit seed extract, so I don't know how she could

really be allergic to that. She doesn't really have much citrus, but she does

have it occassionally, and I've never noticed it causing anything negative.

Anyway, plodding on, slowly,

Joy

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> I caused a major die off in myself by plowing in with 2 Candex and

being ill

> for 36 hours, if fact I thought I was going to die, it was awful. We

have to

> keep things managable for the kids but need keep chipping away.

Oh yes. A few days ago I was doing a round myself, and got a bad

headache. I thought, maybe this is yeast, so I took a cap of Thorne's

SF722, which is supposed to be a mild antifungal and which I've given

to n off and on for ages.

ACK! I had to go lie down for a few hours, felt sweaty and shaky and

terrible. Don't know if it was die-off or intolerance to the SF722 --

but if that's what die-off feels like, oh our poor kiddos!

Nell

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In a message dated 16/07/2005 14:51:09 GMT Daylight Time, joymroscoe@...

writes:

Made me feel abit out of my depth trying to manage this process! I've been

worried sick thinking that I was harming her. And I will never know whether

her

reaction was a die-off or an allergic reaction to biocidin. The ingredients

are simply listed as grapefruit seed extract, so I don't know how she could

really be allergic to that. She doesn't really have much citrus, but she

does

have it occassionally, and I've never noticed it causing anything negative.

>>>>You got UK Biocidin (was it Biocare brand?)- that is simply Grapefruit

Seed Extract (GSE). GSE is extremely harsh, IMHO, carpet bombs gut flora, I

don't use it anymore becuase of this, so hard to get any kind of balance back

afterwards for Sam.

GSE also slows down Phase 1 liver detox, which wouldn;t be a problem unless

her phase 1 is already slow..............

The Biocidin we are generally referring to on the is Biocidin

from Biobotanicals - which is a whole lot different.

_www.biobotanicalresearch.com_ (http://www.biobotanicalresearch.com)

Somebody borrowed my bottle but is supposed to be sending it back, so if you

do decide to try again, let me know and try before you buy - its expensive

stuff but last ages and ages. I've asked Dr Heard to stcok it again at the

Breakspear which shoud save sending to the US for it.

Ref the enyzmes - most get hyper to start with. If you were dealing with

nasty gut bugs, that hyper could well have been from low level die off. We had

that for extended period when starting enzymes (waaay back when HNI first came

out). Once we figured it was like a chronic die off and treated actively the

yeast, the improvements shone through.

Details on adjustment effects from enzymes are on 's site

_www.enzymestuff.com_ (http://www.enzymestuff.com) - you can borrow my

book if you want

Did you get the new addy for the UK biomed group (nee Desperates), if not

this is it

_TreatingAutism-Biomedical/_

(TreatingAutism-Biomedical/)

HTH

Mandi in UK

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> >>>Oh yes that was it plus vomiting and squits, high temperature,

aching

> bones, I threw up the activated charcoal, oh what a state I was in.

LOL I forgot about the fever and aches!

>

> Interestingly, I am now just doing Sacc Bourlardi on me and thats

working

> fine - fingers crossed. Lord knows what is goign to be like

chelating myself, I

> am scared to death, two more amalgams to go and I have no

> excuses.............

I'll try the sac boulardii. In general chelating myself has been easy

enough, the only real side effect I have is feeling really tired. I

started feeling a lot better once I got a pill minder and got serious

about supps. My hypothyroid has finally stabilized and the brain fog

has lifted at least a hair.

Nell

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In a message dated 16/07/2005 16:34:32 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@...

writes:

>>>>You got UK Biocidin (was it Biocare brand?)- that is simply Grapefruit

Seed Extract (GSE). GSE is extremely harsh, IMHO, carpet bombs gut flora, I

don't use it anymore becuase of this, so hard to get any kind of balance

back

afterwards for Sam.

OMG I can't believe it how two products can have the same name. That is so

confusing. I bet I'm not the only person who ordered the wrong one.

I'd love to try the correct one, if you get it back that would be great -

thanks.

I'll carry on with the enzymes and thanks for the links.

Your advice much appreciated,

Joy

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Citrus causes constipation in me. Small amounts slow my gut function

down. This equalls a yeast attack.

Liz D.

.. The ingredients

> are simply listed as grapefruit seed extract, so I don't know how she

could

> really be allergic to that. She doesn't really have much citrus, but she

does

> have it occassionally, and I've never noticed it causing anything

negative.

>

> Anyway, plodding on, slowly,

> Joy

> x

>