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Hello Andy,

I would like your guidance on some of the things I've been doing on my

own. I have a 7 year old daughter. She's 56 " tall and 90 lbs. She's

been GF/CF since age 3 and mostly soy-protein free since then. She did

get whatever soy lecithin and soybean oil was in the prepared products

we allowed her to have (mostly snacks). She finally had a huge

reaction to soy lecithin three months ago. She reacts to casein and

soy in the same way. It starts with some sneezing and extreme nasal

congestion, and progresses rather quickly to what looks like an asthma

attack. The other notable outcome from ingesting soy or casein is that

the autistic behaviors go from mild to extreme. Antihistamines don't

do anything to alleviate, and, indeed, she tests negative to all IgE

tests. The only thing that stops the reaction is Prednisone. Do you

know why that is?

The way she reacts to gluten is that her skin and hair become

extremely dry. With continued exposure, she get psoriasis-like sores.

It takes about 5 months of being gluten-free for the symptoms to

disappear and the skin and hair to return to normal. She also gets

reflux from it.

We tried enzymes, both AFP Peptyzide and No-Phenol, with no noticeable

effect either way. They neither alleviate nor stop reactions to

forbidden foods.

I've been giving her supplements since age 4.5. She takes the following

B6 300 mg per day

B-12 2,500 mcg per day

Folic Acid 800 mcg

Cal/Mag/Zinc/Copper 1000/400/15/1 twice daily (any less than that and

she toe-walks and gets major sensory issues)

Vitamin B2 100mg every other day

P5P 50mg every other day

Grape Seed extract 50mg twice a day

Broccolive Plus, two caps a day (three caps equal 1 lb of cruciferous

vegetables which she craves)

ALA 100mg three times daily three days on four days off

GSE tabs 150mg three times daily

garlic extract as needed for yeast.

I tried Beta caroteine and she reacts badly to it. I've given her

Glutathione before starting the ALA and saw no results either way.

She doesn't tolerate B1. I tried giving her B complex to reduce the

number of pills I gave her and it caused problems (incontinence). She

doesn't tolerate P5P for the same reason.

I am doing this on my own. I can't afford a DAN and I'm not sure I even

want one.

What can/should I add to her daily supplement list? What

can/should I ask her pediatrician in the way of conventional blood

testing to follow her progress?

Thank you for any guidance you can offer.

--

Rima Regas

Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)

http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

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Not Andy here. Has she been tested for celiac disease? The ALA dose and dosing

schedule you use concerns me. Consider 25 mg or lower on a every 3 hours (day)

and every 4 hours night schedule for 3 days on, 4 or more off. This can

significantly reduce redistribution. Did you do a hair analysis? What did it

show? I presume she has no mercury amalgam dental fillings...My understanding

is that is not a good idea to supplement copper unless one knows the person

needs it.

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Hello Andy,<BR>

<BR>

I would like your guidance on some of the things I've been doing on my<BR>

own. I have a 7 year old  daughter. She's 56 " tall and 90 lbs. She's<BR>

been GF/CF since age 3 and mostly soy-protein free since then. She did<BR>

get whatever soy lecithin and soybean oil was in the prepared products<BR>

we allowed her to have (mostly snacks). She finally had a huge<BR>

reaction to soy lecithin three months ago. She reacts to casein and<BR>

soy in the same way. It starts with some sneezing and extreme nasal<BR>

congestion, and progresses rather quickly to what looks like an asthma<BR>

attack. The other notable outcome from ingesting soy or casein is that<BR>

the autistic behaviors go from mild to extreme. Antihistamines don't<BR>

do anything to alleviate, and, indeed, she tests negative to all IgE<BR>

tests. The only thing that stops the reaction is Prednisone. Do you<BR>

know why that is?<BR>

<BR>

The way she reacts to gluten is that her skin and hair become<BR>

extremely dry. With continued exposure, she get psoriasis-like sores.<BR>

It takes about 5 months of being gluten-free for the symptoms to<BR>

disappear and the skin and hair to return to normal. She also gets<BR>

reflux from it.<BR>

<BR>

We tried enzymes, both AFP Peptyzide and No-Phenol, with no noticeable<BR>

effect either way. They neither alleviate nor stop reactions to<BR>

forbidden foods.<BR>

<BR>

I've been giving her supplements since age 4.5. She takes the following<BR>

<BR>

B6 300 mg per day<BR>

B-12 2,500 mcg per day<BR>

Folic Acid  800 mcg<BR>

Cal/Mag/Zinc/Copper 1000/400/15/1 twice daily (any less than that and<BR>

she toe-walks and gets major sensory issues)<BR>

Vitamin B2 100mg every other day<BR>

P5P 50mg every other day<BR>

Grape Seed extract 50mg twice a day<BR>

Broccolive Plus, two caps a day (three caps equal 1 lb of cruciferous<BR>

vegetables which she craves)<BR>

<BR>

ALA 100mg three times daily three days on four days off<BR>

GSE tabs 150mg three times daily<BR>

garlic extract as needed for yeast.<BR>

<BR>

I tried Beta caroteine and she reacts badly to it. I've given her<BR>

Glutathione before starting the ALA and saw no results either way.<BR>

<BR>

She doesn't tolerate B1. I tried giving her B complex to reduce the<BR>

number of pills I gave her and it caused problems (incontinence). She<BR>

doesn't tolerate P5P for the same reason.<BR>

<BR>

I am doing this on my own. I can't afford a DAN and I'm not sure I even<BR>

want one. <BR>

<BR>

What can/should I add to her daily supplement list? What<BR>

can/should I ask her pediatrician in the way of conventional blood<BR>

testing to follow her progress?<BR>

<BR>

Thank you for any guidance you can offer.<BR>

<BR>

--<BR>

Rima Regas<BR>

Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)<BR>

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href= " http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com " >http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.c\

om</a><BR>

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> Hello Andy,

>

> I would like your guidance on some of the things I've been doing on my

> own. I have a 7 year old daughter. She's 56 " tall and 90 lbs. She's

> been GF/CF since age 3 and mostly soy-protein free since then. She did

> get whatever soy lecithin and soybean oil was in the prepared products

> we allowed her to have (mostly snacks). She finally had a huge

> reaction to soy lecithin three months ago. She reacts to casein and

> soy in the same way. It starts with some sneezing and extreme nasal

> congestion, and progresses rather quickly to what looks like an asthma

> attack. The other notable outcome from ingesting soy or casein is that

> the autistic behaviors go from mild to extreme. Antihistamines don't

> do anything to alleviate, and, indeed, she tests negative to all IgE

> tests. The only thing that stops the reaction is Prednisone. Do you

> know why that is?

It more or less turns off inflammation.

Do you have trouble keeping her diet clean? If so you might want to

see if your doctor would prescribe an asthma inhaler to see if that

will control the wheezing.

Also if it wasn't determined as part of the allergy test, you might

want to have total IgE determined next time blood tests are done for

other reasons.

> The way she reacts to gluten is that her skin and hair become

> extremely dry. With continued exposure, she get psoriasis-like sores.

> It takes about 5 months of being gluten-free for the symptoms to

> disappear and the skin and hair to return to normal. She also gets

> reflux from it.

>

> We tried enzymes, both AFP Peptyzide and No-Phenol, with no noticeable

> effect either way. They neither alleviate nor stop reactions to

> forbidden foods.

It is pretty obvious that what is going to work is dietary restriction.

Is this feasible to do with high reliability?

> I've been giving her supplements since age 4.5. She takes the following

>

> B6 300 mg per day

> B-12 2,500 mcg per day

> Folic Acid 800 mcg

These 3 should be 3 or 4 times a day, OK to divide it up.

> Cal/Mag/Zinc/Copper 1000/400/15/1 twice daily (any less than that and

> she toe-walks and gets major sensory issues)

Can you leave the copper out? Use more zinc?

> Vitamin B2 100mg every other day

> P5P 50mg every other day

These 3 should be 3 or 4 times each day.

> Grape Seed extract 50mg twice a day

> Broccolive Plus, two caps a day (three caps equal 1 lb of cruciferous

> vegetables which she craves)

Do you know her plasma cysteine? Craving sulfur foods can indicate an

intolerance to them. People with high cysteine levels often have

dramatic allergy like problems as you describe above.

Plasma cysteine is a blood test available only through Great Smokies

Laboratories.

> ALA 100mg three times daily three days on four days off

Stop this immediately.

ALA must be given on a proper chelation schedule, every 3 hours (4

during sleep OK) or not at all. Also this is a large amoun, try 25 mg

when you try it on a 3 hour schedule.

> GSE tabs 150mg three times daily

> garlic extract as needed for yeast.

>

> I tried Beta caroteine and she reacts badly to it.

This could suggest chemical sensitivity - deranged phase 1 liver

metabolism. Such people often have wild allergic appearing problems.

> I've given her

> Glutathione before starting the ALA and saw no results either way.

>

> She doesn't tolerate B1. I tried giving her B complex to reduce the

> number of pills I gave her and it caused problems (incontinence). She

> doesn't tolerate P5P for the same reason.

>

> I am doing this on my own. I can't afford a DAN and I'm not sure I even

> want one.

>

> What can/should I add to her daily supplement list?

Vitamins C and E.

> What

> can/should I ask her pediatrician in the way of conventional blood

> testing to follow her progress?

It is uncoventional, but plasma cysteine at great smokies laboratories

would be very informative. It need only be done once. I'll put my long

discussion of testing at the end of this (I have put it on the list

before). Cysteine can be skipped if you are willing to to some week

long dietary and supplement experiments, but the test only costs $35.

> Thank you for any guidance you can offer.

>

> --

> Rima Regas

> Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)

> http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

Tier 1 of testing, what you learn

Test What you learn, or other commentary *

DDI hair element profile Heavy metals, adrenal, maybe thyroid status

A

CBC with diff B-12/folate, iron defc, other anemias, assorted immune

abberations, viral or bacterial infection festering M

Serum uric acid Marker of Mo status, goes up with Pb tox, down with

mercury M

Plasma sulfate Marker of Mo status, goes up if not used metabolically,

down with heavy metals (including Pb) A

Plasma cysteine Often deranged in heavy metal tox, use as diet

indicator A

Hgb A1c hypOglycemia not uncommon M

IgE Is it up or not? Often unclear from s/sx. M

Ferritin Deficiency common, overload sometimes M

fT3 fT4 TSH Thyroid, needs to be interpreted properly, not per

bogus normal ranges, and in relation to each other. Often low, also can

pick up chemical sensitivity here. M

* M = mainstream, people can get insurance to pay if doc has half a

brain in writing order. A = alternative, coverage unlikely.

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On 5/22/05, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

> > tests. The only thing that stops the reaction is Prednisone. Do you

> > know why that is?

>

> It more or less turns off inflammation.

>

> Do you have trouble keeping her diet clean? If so you might want to

> see if your doctor would prescribe an asthma inhaler to see if that

> will control the wheezing.

This is only during those very rare times when she had an infraction

on the diet with casein or soy.

>

> Also if it wasn't determined as part of the allergy test, you might

> want to have total IgE determined next time blood tests are done for

> other reasons.

IgE tests are negative. We had two series with allergists and saw a

pediatric GI who took biopsies after several weeks of challenge. Other

than extreme inflamation, he could not point to any problem.

>

> > We tried enzymes, both AFP Peptyzide and No-Phenol, with no noticeable

> > effect either way. They neither alleviate nor stop reactions to

> > forbidden foods.

>

> It is pretty obvious that what is going to work is dietary restriction.

> Is this feasible to do with high reliability?

We have been doing it pretty reliably for 4.5 years. Every so often

there is an accident. The extreme issues with soy are very recent and

that's out completely now.

>

> > Cal/Mag/Zinc/Copper 1000/400/15/1 twice daily (any less than that and

> > she toe-walks and gets major sensory issues)

>

> Can you leave the copper out? Use more zinc?

I tried to give her the supps separately, with no copper and she

didn't do well at all. Sensory issues were way up and she started

mouthing non-food items. Now that she's back on this combo,

everything's back in control.

>

> > Broccolive Plus, two caps a day (three caps equal 1 lb of cruciferous

> > vegetables which she craves)

>

> Do you know her plasma cysteine? Craving sulfur foods can indicate an

> intolerance to them. People with high cysteine levels often have

> dramatic allergy like problems as you describe above.

>

> Plasma cysteine is a blood test available only through Great Smokies

> Laboratories.

I will go ahead and do this one. I don't know what her levels are.

>

Thank you!!!

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Rima Regas

Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)

http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

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> Thank you! Responses interspersed below: I am posting this with a cc to you.

>

> > > tests. The only thing that stops the reaction is Prednisone. Do you

> > > know why that is?

> >

> > It more or less turns off inflammation.

> >

> > Do you have trouble keeping her diet clean? If so you might want to

> > see if your doctor would prescribe an asthma inhaler to see if that

> > will control the wheezing.

>

> This is only during those very rare times when she had an infraction

> on the diet with casein or soy.

Which means it wouild mostly sit in the cupboard unused. An albuterol

or similar inhaler is a lot more benign than prednisone. Did you try

it already?

> > Also if it wasn't determined as part of the allergy test, you might

> > want to have total IgE determined next time blood tests are done for

> > other reasons.

>

> IgE tests are negative. We had two series with allergists and saw a

> pediatric GI who took biopsies after several weeks of challenge. Other

> than extreme inflamation, he could not point to any problem.

This isn't what I said - have the test " serum IgE " done next time she

has to be tested for other things. See what the number is.

Also see if she can have salivary or fecal IgA tested, and if that is

low add serum IgA to the list of tests for next time she needs a blood

test.

> > > We tried enzymes, both AFP Peptyzide and No-Phenol, with no noticeable

> > > effect either way. They neither alleviate nor stop reactions to

> > > forbidden foods.

> >

> > It is pretty obvious that what is going to work is dietary restriction.

> > Is this feasible to do with high reliability?

>

> We have been doing it pretty reliably for 4.5 years. Every so often

> there is an accident. The extreme issues with soy are very recent and

> that's out completely now.

> >

>

> > > Cal/Mag/Zinc/Copper 1000/400/15/1 twice daily (any less than that and

> > > she toe-walks and gets major sensory issues)

> >

> > Can you leave the copper out? Use more zinc?

>

> I tried to give her the supps separately, with no copper and she

> didn't do well at all. Sensory issues were way up and she started

> mouthing non-food items. Now that she's back on this combo,

> everything's back in control.

> >

> > > Broccolive Plus, two caps a day (three caps equal 1 lb of cruciferous

> > > vegetables which she craves)

> >

> > Do you know her plasma cysteine? Craving sulfur foods can indicate an

> > intolerance to them. People with high cysteine levels often have

> > dramatic allergy like problems as you describe above.

> >

> > Plasma cysteine is a blood test available only through Great Smokies

> > Laboratories.

>

> I will go ahead and do this one.

The " doctor's office " has to call GS and get a comprehensive

detoxification profile kit, which you then have the plasma vial

prepared and send only that along with the order sheet marked for

" plasma cysteine " but nothing else back in the enclosed mailer. The

test must be drawn M-Th.

Discard the rest of the kit unless you want to do the rest of the test.

If you want to get sulfate, it is done from the same plasma vial as the

cysteine is.

See if the doctor will let you call " from his office " and set it up.

That will make it happen faster.

> > I don't know what her levels are.

> >

>

> Thank you!!!

>

> --

> Rima Regas

> Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)

> http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

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On 5/22/05, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

> > > Do you have trouble keeping her diet clean? If so you might want to

> > > see if your doctor would prescribe an asthma inhaler to see if that

> > > will control the wheezing.

> >

> > This is only during those very rare times when she had an infraction

> > on the diet with casein or soy.

>

> Which means it wouild mostly sit in the cupboard unused. An albuterol

> or similar inhaler is a lot more benign than prednisone. Did you try

> it already?

Yes. We tried. What's more is that there is a huge difference in how

it is delivered. She responds best (almost immediate) with an

injection of Prednisone. Next, she responds, but less quickly, to the

nebulized Prednisone. Pills take about an hour or so to begin having

an effect. The inhaler was almost never effective.

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Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)

http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

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You might want to try assorted forms of " adrenal support, " such as

adrenal cortexx extract, licorice, etc.

The wheezing must have been quite bad for the doc to be willing to

inject prednisone.

Andy . . . . . . . .

> > > > Do you have trouble keeping her diet clean? If so you might want to

> > > > see if your doctor would prescribe an asthma inhaler to see if that

> > > > will control the wheezing.

> > >

> > > This is only during those very rare times when she had an infraction

> > > on the diet with casein or soy.

> >

> > Which means it wouild mostly sit in the cupboard unused. An albuterol

> > or similar inhaler is a lot more benign than prednisone. Did you try

> > it already?

>

> Yes. We tried. What's more is that there is a huge difference in how

> it is delivered. She responds best (almost immediate) with an

> injection of Prednisone. Next, she responds, but less quickly, to the

> nebulized Prednisone. Pills take about an hour or so to begin having

> an effect. The inhaler was almost never effective.

>

> --

> Rima Regas

> Mom to Leah, age 7 (AS, DSI and APD)

> http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

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> You might want to try assorted forms of " adrenal support, " such as

> adrenal cortexx extract, licorice, etc.

>

> The wheezing must have been quite bad for the doc to be willing to

> inject prednisone.

>

so asthma, wheezing, respiratory problems can be linked with adrenal

problems? Am i right in taking this inference from this posting?

My son used to get bad croup/brocnhail problems that required a

nebuliser and prednisone. He also had adranl problems, which now seem

to be under control

Steve

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How did you bring the adrenal problems under control? What were the

symptoms? How did you test for them in the first place (conventional

doc? Dan doc?)

Thanks!

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>

> > You might want to try assorted forms of " adrenal support, " such as

> > adrenal cortexx extract, licorice, etc.

> >

> > The wheezing must have been quite bad for the doc to be willing to

> > inject prednisone.

> >

>

> so asthma, wheezing, respiratory problems can be linked with adrenal

> problems? Am i right in taking this inference from this posting?

>

> My son used to get bad croup/brocnhail problems that required a

> nebuliser and prednisone. He also had adranl problems, which now seem

> to be under control

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

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