reversing chromosomal disorders Re: Glyconutrients

[Guest guest]

The FDA keeps records of these things. They don't keep the spinach, but

the records are kept from year to year.

noaholiviaian wrote:

>

> I'm not being sarcastic, but do they have spinach from 1950 to

> test? How are you coming up with these numbers? Were iron content

> tests compared from then and now?

>

> Not disbelieving you; just wondering how they figure that stuff out.

>

> pam

>

>

> > > > Pam said:

> > > > > I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to understand how

> > glyconutrients

> > > > > reversed a chromosomal disorder.

> > > >

> > > > I think that the human body is a lot more " plastic " -- I mean

> > > malleable

> > > > -- than is generally believed. I think too much stock is put

> in

> > how

> > > > much " genes " determine things. I think environment has a much

> > bigger

> > > > impact than is generally believed.

> > > >

> > > > When my oldest child was 3, he was a year behind in speach

> > development

> > >

> > > > and I put him in preschool to force him to speak. At that

> time, it

> > > was

> > > > apparent to me that he had some serious problems and I

> concluded

> > that

> > > I

> > > > had until his brain stopped growing at age 6 or 7 to make the

> most

> > > > meaningful impact. I figured that, after that, there

> wouldn't be

> > much

> > > I

> > > > could do. I don't regret my decision to work hard at helping

> him

> > > while

> > > > he was little but my estimate of when the " window "

> would " close "

> > > turned

> > > > out to be wrong.

> > > >

> > > > I did vitamin therapy with him when he was 9 and that caused

> > permanent

> > >

> > > > improvement in handwriting, social skills, and other areas.

> He was

> > > > finally ID'd as " gifted " at age 11 1/2, after spending years

> in

> > > " special

> > > > ed " programs. His genetic disorder was ID'd at age 14 and the

> > > > subsequently put 20 pounds on him. That was a nearly 20%

> weight

> > gain

> > > > for him and many of his 'aspie' issues dramatically improved

> or

> > > > seemingly " disappeared " with his improved health. Someone

> clued me

> > > > about face blindness when he was 15 and that was a huge AHA!

> for us

> > > and

> > > > has helped us understand a LOT of the mysterious garbage in

> his

> > life

> > > and

> > > > helped us better understand what kind of accommodations he

> needs

> > and

> > > so

> > > > forth. About a year ago, I began buying books for him to

> read like

> > > > " Thinking in Pictures " and " Children with Emerald Eyes " and

> > > " Upside-Down

> > > > Brilliance " and started a discussion group for him to

> participate

> > in.!

> > >

> > > > With the security of knowing mom was running the group and

> with his

> > > > new-found understanding

> > > > of how his own mind works and what is different about it

> compared

> > to

> > > all

> > > > those weirdos out there (aka " normal " people, :-P), he really

> began

> > to

> > >

> > > > come out of his shell.

> > > >

> > > > I think few people get 'optimal' nutrition and I think

> > understanding

> > > > what " optimal nutrition " really means is still in its

> infancy --

> > and

> > > > that " optimal nutrition " is highly individualized, not really

> about

> > > " the

> > > > four food groups " and other generic advice. My genetic

> disorder --

> > a

> > > > mild form of Cystic Fibrosis -- means that my body

> misprocesses

> > > certain

> > > > molecules at the cellular level. People think that means

> that I

> > > " must "

> > > > cough up " gallons " of mucous daily and be constantly sick.

> But the

> > > > latest reseach suggests that CF patients aren't really

> > overproducing

> > > > mucous -- that they are coughing up phlegm, not merely

> mucous, and

> > the

> > >

> > > > reality is that their mucous membranes produce to LITTLE

> mucous.

> > That

> > >

> > > > is consistent with my experience: when I get enough salt and

> fluids

> > > and

> > > > so forth and am not sick, I have more actual mucous and I

> cough up

> > > less

> > > > crap. One molecule that my body misprocesses is salt, which

> is an!

> > > > important ingredient in creating mucous. So my prescribed

> diet is

> > a

> > > > high salt diet

> > > > because my body purges salt at a high rate, making me prone to

> > > > dehydration, too little mucous, etc. The lack of sufficient

> mucous

> > > > leaves me vulnerable to infections, particularly respiratory

> > > > infections. So, for me, whether or not I get enough salt,

> etc.

> > > > significantly impacts how symptomatic I am for the types of

> issues

> > the

> > >

> > > > medical profession classifies as " CF " .

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, we currently do a poor job of distinguishing

> the

> > > > causative, underlying issues and the symptoms that occur as a

> > > secondary

> > > > or even tertiary effect. So while I agree with my doctors

> that my

> > > > genetic disorder is " incurable " and " symptom management is

> the name

> > of

> > >

> > > > the game " , we have VERY different ideas about what " symptoms "

> are

> > to

> > > be

> > > > " managed " . To ME, the symptoms I need to manage are things

> like

> > the

> > > > need for a high salt diet. To THEM, the symptoms I need to

> manage

> > are

> > >

> > > > the pain, post-nasal drip, etc. of having a chronic sinus

> > infection.

> > > I

> > > > was told outright that " CF patients are simply chronically

> infected

> > --

> > >

> > > > symptom management is the name of the game " . They are so

> used to

> > CF

> > > > patients being chronically ill that they cannot differentiate

> > between

> > > > the effects on the body caused by the genetic disorder per se

> and

> > the

> > > > effects on the body of being chronically ill because those

> > underlying

> > > > effect! s are not well understood or properly addressed.

> > > >

> > > > Given my experience, I have no problem imagining that a Down's

> > > Syndrome

> > > > person is not really " guaranteed " to have the issues you

> typically

> > see

> > >

> > > > with this syndrome. If the difference in how their body

> functions

> > is

> > > > better understood, I can well imagine that the outcome could

> be a

> > lot

> > > > more 'normal'-looking. Maybe a simple comparison would be

> that I

> > have

> > >

> > > > pale skin and get easily sunburned. If no one realized my

> skin was

> > > more

> > > > vulnerable to sun burn than that of most folks and we all ran

> > around

> > > > outside naked all the time, I would likely be chronically

> > sunburned,

> > > > possibly chronically peeling, and would be highly likely to

> get

> > skin

> > > > cancer at an early age and possibly die from it. So, then

> let's

> > call

> > > it

> > > > " peeling skin disorder " and write it up in all the medical

> journals

> > > with

> > > > symptoms like " chronically peeling skin, especially in summer

> > months "

> > > > and " most of the people die at an early age of skin cancer " .

> If

> > > people

> > > > li! ke me always have those symptoms and my " genetic

> disorder " is

> > > assumed to

> > > > be the CAUSE of the peeling skin, cancer, etc. then it is

> hard to

> > > > imagine treating such an overwhelming condition by simply

> > protecting

> > > me

> > > > from an excess of sunlight. But the fact is that my genetic

> > variation

> > >

> > > > does not make me constantly sunburned. My genetic variation

> only

> > > makes

> > > > me more vulnerable to the effects of sunlight. How much

> sunlight I

> > am

> > >

> > > > exposed to is a factor that can be controlled and there is no

> > reason I

> > >

> > > > have to go around constantly burned, in pain, peeling, dying

> of

> > skin

> > > > cancer, etc.

> > > >

> > > > I can see that same paradigm concerning my diagnosis of Cystic

> > > > Fibrosis. My doctors cannot.

> > > >

> > > > So, I think glyconutrients provide optimal nutrition that is

> > > > particularly crucial to some folks with genetic variations --

> like

> > me

> > > > and like folks with Down's Syndrome. And I know that

> relatively

> > > simple

> > > > nutritional interventions -- like high doses of b vitamins

> and,

> > later,

> > > a

> > > > 20 pound weight gain -- impacted my son's handwriting, social

> > skills

> > > etc

> > > > by treating his malnourshed brain and body. For me, it isn't

> hard

> > to

> > > > imagine or understand the same type of thing happening for

> Down's

> > > Syndrome.

> > > >

> > > > HTH,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Michele in California

> > > >

> > > > calif.michele@s...

> > > > webmaster@c...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit Michele's World! of (Twice) Exceptional Homeschooling

> > >

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Yes pam they have figures from 1950 spinach which is when they tested

them

Bruce H. Berman, MD

[ ] " reversing " chromosomal disorders Re:

Glyconutrients

I'm not being sarcastic, but do they have spinach from 1950 to

test? How are you coming up with these numbers? Were iron content

tests compared from then and now?

Not disbelieving you; just wondering how they figure that stuff out.

pam

> > > Pam said:

> > > > I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to understand how

> glyconutrients

> > > > reversed a chromosomal disorder.

> > >

> > > I think that the human body is a lot more " plastic " -- I mean

> > malleable

> > > -- than is generally believed. I think too much stock is put

in

> how

> > > much " genes " determine things. I think environment has a much

> bigger

> > > impact than is generally believed.

> > >

> > > When my oldest child was 3, he was a year behind in speach

> development

> >

> > > and I put him in preschool to force him to speak. At that

time, it

> > was

> > > apparent to me that he had some serious problems and I

concluded

> that

> > I

> > > had until his brain stopped growing at age 6 or 7 to make the

most

> > > meaningful impact. I figured that, after that, there

wouldn't be

> much

> > I

> > > could do. I don't regret my decision to work hard at helping

him

> > while

> > > he was little but my estimate of when the " window "

would " close "

> > turned

> > > out to be wrong.

> > >

> > > I did vitamin therapy with him when he was 9 and that caused

> permanent

> >

> > > improvement in handwriting, social skills, and other areas.

He was

> > > finally ID'd as " gifted " at age 11 1/2, after spending years

in

> > " special

> > > ed " programs. His genetic disorder was ID'd at age 14 and the

> > > subsequently put 20 pounds on him. That was a nearly 20%

weight

> gain

> > > for him and many of his 'aspie' issues dramatically improved

or

> > > seemingly " disappeared " with his improved health. Someone

clued me

> > > about face blindness when he was 15 and that was a huge AHA!

for us

> > and

> > > has helped us understand a LOT of the mysterious garbage in

his

> life

> > and

> > > helped us better understand what kind of accommodations he

needs

> and

> > so

> > > forth. About a year ago, I began buying books for him to

read like

> > > " Thinking in Pictures " and " Children with Emerald Eyes " and

> > " Upside-Down

> > > Brilliance " and started a discussion group for him to

participate

> in.!

> >

> > > With the security of knowing mom was running the group and

with his

> > > new-found understanding

> > > of how his own mind works and what is different about it

compared

> to

> > all

> > > those weirdos out there (aka " normal " people, :-P), he really

began

> to

> >

> > > come out of his shell.

> > >

> > > I think few people get 'optimal' nutrition and I think

> understanding

> > > what " optimal nutrition " really means is still in its

infancy --

> and

> > > that " optimal nutrition " is highly individualized, not really

about

> > " the

> > > four food groups " and other generic advice. My genetic

disorder --

> a

> > > mild form of Cystic Fibrosis -- means that my body

misprocesses

> > certain

> > > molecules at the cellular level. People think that means

that I

> > " must "

> > > cough up " gallons " of mucous daily and be constantly sick.

But the

> > > latest reseach suggests that CF patients aren't really

> overproducing

> > > mucous -- that they are coughing up phlegm, not merely

mucous, and

> the

> >

> > > reality is that their mucous membranes produce to LITTLE

mucous.

> That

> >

> > > is consistent with my experience: when I get enough salt and

fluids

> > and

> > > so forth and am not sick, I have more actual mucous and I

cough up

> > less

> > > crap. One molecule that my body misprocesses is salt, which

is an!

> > > important ingredient in creating mucous. So my prescribed

diet is

> a

> > > high salt diet

> > > because my body purges salt at a high rate, making me prone to

> > > dehydration, too little mucous, etc. The lack of sufficient

mucous

> > > leaves me vulnerable to infections, particularly respiratory

> > > infections. So, for me, whether or not I get enough salt,

etc.

> > > significantly impacts how symptomatic I am for the types of

issues

> the

> >

> > > medical profession classifies as " CF " .

> > >

> > > In my opinion, we currently do a poor job of distinguishing

the

> > > causative, underlying issues and the symptoms that occur as a

> > secondary

> > > or even tertiary effect. So while I agree with my doctors

that my

> > > genetic disorder is " incurable " and " symptom management is

the name

> of

> >

> > > the game " , we have VERY different ideas about what " symptoms "

are

> to

> > be

> > > " managed " . To ME, the symptoms I need to manage are things

like

> the

> > > need for a high salt diet. To THEM, the symptoms I need to

manage

> are

> >

> > > the pain, post-nasal drip, etc. of having a chronic sinus

> infection.

> > I

> > > was told outright that " CF patients are simply chronically

infected

> --

> >

> > > symptom management is the name of the game " . They are so

used to

> CF

> > > patients being chronically ill that they cannot differentiate

> between

> > > the effects on the body caused by the genetic disorder per se

and

> the

> > > effects on the body of being chronically ill because those

> underlying

> > > effect! s are not well understood or properly addressed.

> > >

> > > Given my experience, I have no problem imagining that a Down's

> > Syndrome

> > > person is not really " guaranteed " to have the issues you

typically

> see

> >

> > > with this syndrome. If the difference in how their body

functions

> is

> > > better understood, I can well imagine that the outcome could

be a

> lot

> > > more 'normal'-looking. Maybe a simple comparison would be

that I

> have

> >

> > > pale skin and get easily sunburned. If no one realized my

skin was

> > more

> > > vulnerable to sun burn than that of most folks and we all ran

> around

> > > outside naked all the time, I would likely be chronically

> sunburned,

> > > possibly chronically peeling, and would be highly likely to

get

> skin

> > > cancer at an early age and possibly die from it. So, then

let's

> call

> > it

> > > " peeling skin disorder " and write it up in all the medical

journals

> > with

> > > symptoms like " chronically peeling skin, especially in summer

> months "

> > > and " most of the people die at an early age of skin cancer " .

If

> > people

> > > li! ke me always have those symptoms and my " genetic

disorder " is

> > assumed to

> > > be the CAUSE of the peeling skin, cancer, etc. then it is

hard to

> > > imagine treating such an overwhelming condition by simply

> protecting

> > me

> > > from an excess of sunlight. But the fact is that my genetic

> variation

> >

> > > does not make me constantly sunburned. My genetic variation

only

> > makes

> > > me more vulnerable to the effects of sunlight. How much

sunlight I

> am

> >

> > > exposed to is a factor that can be controlled and there is no

> reason I

> >

> > > have to go around constantly burned, in pain, peeling, dying

of

> skin

> > > cancer, etc.

> > >

> > > I can see that same paradigm concerning my diagnosis of Cystic

> > > Fibrosis. My doctors cannot.

> > >

> > > So, I think glyconutrients provide optimal nutrition that is

> > > particularly crucial to some folks with genetic variations --

like

> me

> > > and like folks with Down's Syndrome. And I know that

relatively

> > simple

> > > nutritional interventions -- like high doses of b vitamins

and,

> later,

> > a

> > > 20 pound weight gain -- impacted my son's handwriting, social

> skills

> > etc

> > > by treating his malnourshed brain and body. For me, it isn't

hard

> to

> > > imagine or understand the same type of thing happening for

Down's

> > Syndrome.

> > >

> > > HTH,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Michele in California

> > >

> > > calif.michele@s...

> > > webmaster@c...

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit Michele's World! of (Twice) Exceptional Homeschooling

> >

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3/31/2005

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[Guest guest]

So what has caused the decrease in nutritional values?

Debbie

On Apr 1, 2005 5:52 PM, Bruce Berman <drbruce@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes pam they have figures from 1950 spinach which is when they tested

> them

>

> Bruce H. Berman, MD

>

[Guest guest]

The decrease is mostly from depleted overworked soils, green

harvesting, pesticides.

weya wrote:

> So what has caused the decrease in nutritional values?

>

> Debbie

>

> On Apr 1, 2005 5:52 PM, Bruce Berman <drbruce@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Yes pam they have figures from 1950 spinach which is when they tested

> > them

> >

> > Bruce H. Berman, MD

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Can we assume (or be sure) the way they tested for nutrient content

then vs now is equal in accuracy? What an amazing and maddening set

of stats you give us!

P

> > > > Pam said:

> > > > > I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to understand how

> > glyconutrients

> > > > > reversed a chromosomal disorder.

> > > >

> > > > I think that the human body is a lot more " plastic " -- I

mean

> > > malleable

> > > > -- than is generally believed. I think too much stock is

put

> in

> > how

> > > > much " genes " determine things. I think environment has a

much

> > bigger

> > > > impact than is generally believed.

> > > >

> > > > When my oldest child was 3, he was a year behind in speach

> > development

> > >

> > > > and I put him in preschool to force him to speak. At that

> time, it

> > > was

> > > > apparent to me that he had some serious problems and I

> concluded

> > that

> > > I

> > > > had until his brain stopped growing at age 6 or 7 to make

the

> most

> > > > meaningful impact. I figured that, after that, there

> wouldn't be

> > much

> > > I

> > > > could do. I don't regret my decision to work hard at

helping

> him

> > > while

> > > > he was little but my estimate of when the " window "

> would " close "

> > > turned

> > > > out to be wrong.

> > > >

> > > > I did vitamin therapy with him when he was 9 and that caused

> > permanent

> > >

> > > > improvement in handwriting, social skills, and other

areas.

> He was

> > > > finally ID'd as " gifted " at age 11 1/2, after spending

years

> in

> > > " special

> > > > ed " programs. His genetic disorder was ID'd at age 14 and

the

> > > > subsequently put 20 pounds on him. That was a nearly 20%

> weight

> > gain

> > > > for him and many of his 'aspie' issues dramatically

improved

> or

> > > > seemingly " disappeared " with his improved health. Someone

> clued me

> > > > about face blindness when he was 15 and that was a huge

AHA!

> for us

> > > and

> > > > has helped us understand a LOT of the mysterious garbage in

> his

> > life

> > > and

> > > > helped us better understand what kind of accommodations he

> needs

> > and

> > > so

> > > > forth. About a year ago, I began buying books for him to

> read like

> > > > " Thinking in Pictures " and " Children with Emerald Eyes " and

> > > " Upside-Down

> > > > Brilliance " and started a discussion group for him to

> participate

> > in.!

> > >

> > > > With the security of knowing mom was running the group and

> with his

> > > > new-found understanding

> > > > of how his own mind works and what is different about it

> compared

> > to

> > > all

> > > > those weirdos out there (aka " normal " people, :-P), he

really

> began

> > to

> > >

> > > > come out of his shell.

> > > >

> > > > I think few people get 'optimal' nutrition and I think

> > understanding

> > > > what " optimal nutrition " really means is still in its

> infancy --

> > and

> > > > that " optimal nutrition " is highly individualized, not

really

> about

> > > " the

> > > > four food groups " and other generic advice. My genetic

> disorder --

> > a

> > > > mild form of Cystic Fibrosis -- means that my body

> misprocesses

> > > certain

> > > > molecules at the cellular level. People think that means

> that I

> > > " must "

> > > > cough up " gallons " of mucous daily and be constantly sick.

> But the

> > > > latest reseach suggests that CF patients aren't really

> > overproducing

> > > > mucous -- that they are coughing up phlegm, not merely

> mucous, and

> > the

> > >

> > > > reality is that their mucous membranes produce to LITTLE

> mucous.

> > That

> > >

> > > > is consistent with my experience: when I get enough salt

and

> fluids

> > > and

> > > > so forth and am not sick, I have more actual mucous and I

> cough up

> > > less

> > > > crap. One molecule that my body misprocesses is salt,

which

> is an!

> > > > important ingredient in creating mucous. So my prescribed

> diet is

> > a

> > > > high salt diet

> > > > because my body purges salt at a high rate, making me prone

to

> > > > dehydration, too little mucous, etc. The lack of

sufficient

> mucous

> > > > leaves me vulnerable to infections, particularly respiratory

> > > > infections. So, for me, whether or not I get enough salt,

> etc.

> > > > significantly impacts how symptomatic I am for the types of

> issues

> > the

> > >

> > > > medical profession classifies as " CF " .

> > > >

> > > > In my opinion, we currently do a poor job of distinguishing

> the

> > > > causative, underlying issues and the symptoms that occur as

a

> > > secondary

> > > > or even tertiary effect. So while I agree with my doctors

> that my

> > > > genetic disorder is " incurable " and " symptom management is

> the name

> > of

> > >

> > > > the game " , we have VERY different ideas about

what " symptoms "

> are

> > to

> > > be

> > > > " managed " . To ME, the symptoms I need to manage are things

> like

> > the

> > > > need for a high salt diet. To THEM, the symptoms I need to

> manage

> > are

> > >

> > > > the pain, post-nasal drip, etc. of having a chronic sinus

> > infection.

> > > I

> > > > was told outright that " CF patients are simply chronically

> infected

> > --

> > >

> > > > symptom management is the name of the game " . They are so

> used to

> > CF

> > > > patients being chronically ill that they cannot

differentiate

> > between

> > > > the effects on the body caused by the genetic disorder per

se

> and

> > the

> > > > effects on the body of being chronically ill because those

> > underlying

> > > > effect! s are not well understood or properly addressed.

> > > >

> > > > Given my experience, I have no problem imagining that a

Down's

> > > Syndrome

> > > > person is not really " guaranteed " to have the issues you

> typically

> > see

> > >

> > > > with this syndrome. If the difference in how their body

> functions

> > is

> > > > better understood, I can well imagine that the outcome

could

> be a

> > lot

> > > > more 'normal'-looking. Maybe a simple comparison would be

> that I

> > have

> > >

> > > > pale skin and get easily sunburned. If no one realized my

> skin was

> > > more

> > > > vulnerable to sun burn than that of most folks and we all

ran

> > around

> > > > outside naked all the time, I would likely be chronically

> > sunburned,

> > > > possibly chronically peeling, and would be highly likely to

> get

> > skin

> > > > cancer at an early age and possibly die from it. So, then

> let's

> > call

> > > it

> > > > " peeling skin disorder " and write it up in all the medical

> journals

> > > with

> > > > symptoms like " chronically peeling skin, especially in

summer

> > months "

> > > > and " most of the people die at an early age of skin

cancer " .

> If

> > > people

> > > > li! ke me always have those symptoms and my " genetic

> disorder " is

> > > assumed to

> > > > be the CAUSE of the peeling skin, cancer, etc. then it is

> hard to

> > > > imagine treating such an overwhelming condition by simply

> > protecting

> > > me

> > > > from an excess of sunlight. But the fact is that my genetic

> > variation

> > >

> > > > does not make me constantly sunburned. My genetic

variation

> only

> > > makes

> > > > me more vulnerable to the effects of sunlight. How much

> sunlight I

> > am

> > >

> > > > exposed to is a factor that can be controlled and there is

no

> > reason I

> > >

> > > > have to go around constantly burned, in pain, peeling,

dying

> of

> > skin

> > > > cancer, etc.

> > > >

> > > > I can see that same paradigm concerning my diagnosis of

Cystic

> > > > Fibrosis. My doctors cannot.

> > > >

> > > > So, I think glyconutrients provide optimal nutrition that is

> > > > particularly crucial to some folks with genetic variations -

-

> like

> > me

> > > > and like folks with Down's Syndrome. And I know that

> relatively

> > > simple

> > > > nutritional interventions -- like high doses of b vitamins

> and,

> > later,

> > > a

> > > > 20 pound weight gain -- impacted my son's handwriting,

social

> > skills

> > > etc

> > > > by treating his malnourshed brain and body. For me, it

isn't

> hard

> > to

> > > > imagine or understand the same type of thing happening for

> Down's

> > > Syndrome.

> > > >

> > > > HTH,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Michele in California

> > > >

> > > > calif.michele@s...

> > > > webmaster@c...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit Michele's World! of (Twice) Exceptional Homeschooling

> > >

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> 3/31/2005

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3% of our farms grow 67% of our produce

factory farms

a) use large amount pesticides

cant do crop rotations

c) sterilize the soil

d) don't do top soil repletion

e) use hybrid species

all this and more contribute to the dumbing down of our commercial food

supply

Bruce H. Berman, MD

Re: [ ] " reversing " chromosomal disorders Re:

Glyconutrients

So what has caused the decrease in nutritional values?

Debbie

On Apr 1, 2005 5:52 PM, Bruce Berman <drbruce@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes pam they have figures from 1950 spinach which is when they tested

> them

>

> Bruce H. Berman, MD

>

[Guest guest]

Oh they are keeping track alright, they are just not about to tell you

it is a problem. The FDA is about as crooked and greedy as they come.

They new about the problems with Vioxx years before Merck decided to

pull of the market themselves. That is just one example of their greed

and corrupt nature. They will not allow safe, tested, natural cures to

obtain FDA approval because they know it would put the drug companies

out of business and that is their cash cow! GIna

zookpr56 wrote:

>

> Ok, I am being sarcastic here. Imagine they can keep track of how

> much iron is in spinach for 50 years but not how much mercury is in a

> vaccine! Isn't that great?

> Michele

>

>

> > > > > > Pam said:

> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to understand how

> > > > glyconutrients

> > > > > > > reversed a chromosomal disorder.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think that the human body is a lot more " plastic " -- I

> mean

> > > > > malleable

> > > > > > -- than is generally believed. I think too much stock is

> put

> > > in

> > > > how

> > > > > > much " genes " determine things. I think environment has a

> much

> > > > bigger

> > > > > > impact than is generally believed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When my oldest child was 3, he was a year behind in speach

> > > > development

> > > > >

> > > > > > and I put him in preschool to force him to speak. At that

> > > time, it

> > > > > was

> > > > > > apparent to me that he had some serious problems and I

> > > concluded

> > > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > > had until his brain stopped growing at age 6 or 7 to make

> the

> > > most

> > > > > > meaningful impact. I figured that, after that, there

> > > wouldn't be

> > > > much

> > > > > I

> > > > > > could do. I don't regret my decision to work hard at

> helping

> > > him

> > > > > while

> > > > > > he was little but my estimate of when the " window "

> > > would " close "

> > > > > turned

> > > > > > out to be wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did vitamin therapy with him when he was 9 and that

> caused

> > > > permanent

> > > > >

> > > > > > improvement in handwriting, social skills, and other

> areas.

> > > He was

> > > > > > finally ID'd as " gifted " at age 11 1/2, after spending

> years

> > > in

> > > > > " special

> > > > > > ed " programs. His genetic disorder was ID'd at age 14

> and the

> > > > > > subsequently put 20 pounds on him. That was a nearly 20%

> > > weight

> > > > gain

> > > > > > for him and many of his 'aspie' issues dramatically

> improved

> > > or

> > > > > > seemingly " disappeared " with his improved health. Someone

> > > clued me

> > > > > > about face blindness when he was 15 and that was a huge

> AHA!

> > > for us

> > > > > and

> > > > > > has helped us understand a LOT of the mysterious garbage

> in

> > > his

> > > > life

> > > > > and

> > > > > > helped us better understand what kind of accommodations he

> > > needs

> > > > and

> > > > > so

> > > > > > forth. About a year ago, I began buying books for him to

> > > read like

> > > > > > " Thinking in Pictures " and " Children with Emerald Eyes "

> and

> > > > > " Upside-Down

> > > > > > Brilliance " and started a discussion group for him to

> > > participate

> > > > in.!

> > > > >

> > > > > > With the security of knowing mom was running the group and

> > > with his

> > > > > > new-found understanding

> > > > > > of how his own mind works and what is different about it

> > > compared

> > > > to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > those weirdos out there (aka " normal " people, :-P), he

> really

> > > began

> > > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > > come out of his shell.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think few people get 'optimal' nutrition and I think

> > > > understanding

> > > > > > what " optimal nutrition " really means is still in its

> > > infancy --

> > > > and

> > > > > > that " optimal nutrition " is highly individualized, not

> really

> > > about

> > > > > " the

> > > > > > four food groups " and other generic advice. My genetic

> > > disorder --

> > > > a

> > > > > > mild form of Cystic Fibrosis -- means that my body

> > > misprocesses

> > > > > certain

> > > > > > molecules at the cellular level. People think that means

> > > that I

> > > > > " must "

> > > > > > cough up " gallons " of mucous daily and be constantly

> sick.

> > > But the

> > > > > > latest reseach suggests that CF patients aren't really

> > > > overproducing

> > > > > > mucous -- that they are coughing up phlegm, not merely

> > > mucous, and

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > reality is that their mucous membranes produce to LITTLE

> > > mucous.

> > > > That

> > > > >

> > > > > > is consistent with my experience: when I get enough salt

> and

> > > fluids

> > > > > and

> > > > > > so forth and am not sick, I have more actual mucous and I

> > > cough up

> > > > > less

> > > > > > crap. One molecule that my body misprocesses is salt,

> which

> > > is an!

> > > > > > important ingredient in creating mucous. So my prescribed

> > > diet is

> > > > a

> > > > > > high salt diet

> > > > > > because my body purges salt at a high rate, making me

> prone to

> > > > > > dehydration, too little mucous, etc. The lack of

> sufficient

> > > mucous

> > > > > > leaves me vulnerable to infections, particularly

> respiratory

> > > > > > infections. So, for me, whether or not I get enough salt,

> > > etc.

> > > > > > significantly impacts how symptomatic I am for the types

> of

> > > issues

> > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > medical profession classifies as " CF " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion, we currently do a poor job of

> distinguishing

> > > the

> > > > > > causative, underlying issues and the symptoms that occur

> as a

> > > > > secondary

> > > > > > or even tertiary effect. So while I agree with my doctors

> > > that my

> > > > > > genetic disorder is " incurable " and " symptom management is

> > > the name

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > > the game " , we have VERY different ideas about

> what " symptoms "

> > > are

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > " managed " . To ME, the symptoms I need to manage are

> things

> > > like

> > > > the

> > > > > > need for a high salt diet. To THEM, the symptoms I need

> to

> > > manage

> > > > are

> > > > >

> > > > > > the pain, post-nasal drip, etc. of having a chronic sinus

> > > > infection.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > was told outright that " CF patients are simply chronically

> > > infected

> > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > > symptom management is the name of the game " . They are so

> > > used to

> > > > CF

> > > > > > patients being chronically ill that they cannot

> differentiate

> > > > between

> > > > > > the effects on the body caused by the genetic disorder

> per se

> > > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > effects on the body of being chronically ill because those

> > > > underlying

> > > > > > effect! s are not well understood or properly addressed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Given my experience, I have no problem imagining that a

> Down's

> > > > > Syndrome

> > > > > > person is not really " guaranteed " to have the issues you

> > > typically

> > > > see

> > > > >

> > > > > > with this syndrome. If the difference in how their body

> > > functions

> > > > is

> > > > > > better understood, I can well imagine that the outcome

> could

> > > be a

> > > > lot

> > > > > > more 'normal'-looking. Maybe a simple comparison would be

> > > that I

> > > > have

> > > > >

> > > > > > pale skin and get easily sunburned. If no one realized my

> > > skin was

> > > > > more

> > > > > > vulnerable to sun burn than that of most folks and we all

> ran

> > > > around

> > > > > > outside naked all the time, I would likely be chronically

> > > > sunburned,

> > > > > > possibly chronically peeling, and would be highly likely

> to

> > > get

> > > > skin

> > > > > > cancer at an early age and possibly die from it. So, then

> > > let's

> > > > call

> > > > > it

> > > > > > " peeling skin disorder " and write it up in all the medical

> > > journals

> > > > > with

> > > > > > symptoms like " chronically peeling skin, especially in

> summer

> > > > months "

> > > > > > and " most of the people die at an early age of skin

> cancer " .

> > > If

> > > > > people

> > > > > > li! ke me always have those symptoms and my " genetic

> > > disorder " is

> > > > > assumed to

> > > > > > be the CAUSE of the peeling skin, cancer, etc. then it is

> > > hard to

> > > > > > imagine treating such an overwhelming condition by simply

> > > > protecting

> > > > > me

> > > > > > from an excess of sunlight. But the fact is that my

> genetic

> > > > variation

> > > > >

> > > > > > does not make me constantly sunburned. My genetic

> variation

> > > only

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > me more vulnerable to the effects of sunlight. How much

> > > sunlight I

> > > > am

> > > > >

> > > > > > exposed to is a factor that can be controlled and there

> is no

> > > > reason I

> > > > >

> > > > > > have to go around constantly burned, in pain, peeling,

> dying

> > > of

> > > > skin

> > > > > > cancer, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can see that same paradigm concerning my diagnosis of

> Cystic

> > > > > > Fibrosis. My doctors cannot.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I think glyconutrients provide optimal nutrition that

> is

> > > > > > particularly crucial to some folks with genetic

> variations --

> > > like

> > > > me

> > > > > > and like folks with Down's Syndrome. And I know that

> > > relatively

> > > > > simple

> > > > > > nutritional interventions -- like high doses of b vitamins

> > > and,

> > > > later,

> > > > > a

> > > > > > 20 pound weight gain -- impacted my son's handwriting,

> social

> > > > skills

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > by treating his malnourshed brain and body. For me, it

> isn't

> > > hard

> > > > to

> > > > > > imagine or understand the same type of thing happening for

> > > Down's

> > > > > Syndrome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HTH,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Michele in California

> > > > > >

> > > > > > calif.michele@s...

> > > > > > webmaster@c...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit Michele's World! of (Twice) Exceptional

> Homeschooling

> > > > >

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> > > 3/31/2005

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> > > >

[Guest guest]

Along with that decline has been the decline of our immune systems they

say in the last 20 years our immune sysmtems ahve declined 20-25% and

that is a healthy adult.

Bruce Berman wrote:

> The average nutritional content of all foods across the board approaches

> 75% decline from 50 years ago

>

> Corporate America is hazardous to your health!

>

> Bruce H. Berman, MD

> [ ] " reversing " chromosomal disorders Re:

> Glyconutrients

>

>

> Can we assume (or be sure) the way they tested for nutrient content

> then vs now is equal in accuracy? What an amazing and maddening set

> of stats you give us!

>

> P

>

>

> > > > > Pam said:

> > > > > > I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to understand how

> > > glyconutrients

> > > > > > reversed a chromosomal disorder.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think that the human body is a lot more " plastic " -- I

> mean

> > > > malleable

> > > > > -- than is generally believed. I think too much stock is

> put

> > in

> > > how

> > > > > much " genes " determine things. I think environment has a

> much

> > > bigger

> > > > > impact than is generally believed.

> > > > >

> > > > > When my oldest child was 3, he was a year behind in speach

> > > development

> > > >

> > > > > and I put him in preschool to force him to speak. At that

> > time, it

> > > > was

> > > > > apparent to me that he had some serious problems and I

> > concluded

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > > had until his brain stopped growing at age 6 or 7 to make

> the

> > most

> > > > > meaningful impact. I figured that, after that, there

> > wouldn't be

> > > much

> > > > I

> > > > > could do. I don't regret my decision to work hard at

> helping

> > him

> > > > while

> > > > > he was little but my estimate of when the " window "

> > would " close "

> > > > turned

> > > > > out to be wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did vitamin therapy with him when he was 9 and that caused

> > > permanent

> > > >

> > > > > improvement in handwriting, social skills, and other

> areas.

> > He was

> > > > > finally ID'd as " gifted " at age 11 1/2, after spending

> years

> > in

> > > > " special

> > > > > ed " programs. His genetic disorder was ID'd at age 14 and

> the

> > > > > subsequently put 20 pounds on him. That was a nearly 20%

> > weight

> > > gain

> > > > > for him and many of his 'aspie' issues dramatically

> improved

> > or

> > > > > seemingly " disappeared " with his improved health. Someone

> > clued me

> > > > > about face blindness when he was 15 and that was a huge

> AHA!

> > for us

> > > > and

> > > > > has helped us understand a LOT of the mysterious garbage in

> > his

> > > life

> > > > and

> > > > > helped us better understand what kind of accommodations he

> > needs

> > > and

> > > > so

> > > > > forth. About a year ago, I began buying books for him to

> > read like

> > > > > " Thinking in Pictures " and " Children with Emerald Eyes " and

> > > > " Upside-Down

> > > > > Brilliance " and started a discussion group for him to

> > participate

> > > in.!

> > > >

> > > > > With the security of knowing mom was running the group and

> > with his

> > > > > new-found understanding

> > > > > of how his own mind works and what is different about it

> > compared

> > > to

> > > > all

> > > > > those weirdos out there (aka " normal " people, :-P), he

> really

> > began

> > > to

> > > >

> > > > > come out of his shell.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think few people get 'optimal' nutrition and I think

> > > understanding

> > > > > what " optimal nutrition " really means is still in its

> > infancy --

> > > and

> > > > > that " optimal nutrition " is highly individualized, not

> really

> > about

> > > > " the

> > > > > four food groups " and other generic advice. My genetic

> > disorder --

> > > a

> > > > > mild form of Cystic Fibrosis -- means that my body

> > misprocesses

> > > > certain

> > > > > molecules at the cellular level. People think that means

> > that I

> > > > " must "

> > > > > cough up " gallons " of mucous daily and be constantly sick.

> > But the

> > > > > latest reseach suggests that CF patients aren't really

> > > overproducing

> > > > > mucous -- that they are coughing up phlegm, not merely

> > mucous, and

> > > the

> > > >

> > > > > reality is that their mucous membranes produce to LITTLE

> > mucous.

> > > That

> > > >

> > > > > is consistent with my experience: when I get enough salt

> and

> > fluids

> > > > and

> > > > > so forth and am not sick, I have more actual mucous and I

> > cough up

> > > > less

> > > > > crap. One molecule that my body misprocesses is salt,

> which

> > is an!

> > > > > important ingredient in creating mucous. So my prescribed

> > diet is

> > > a

> > > > > high salt diet

> > > > > because my body purges salt at a high rate, making me prone

> to

> > > > > dehydration, too little mucous, etc. The lack of

> sufficient

> > mucous

> > > > > leaves me vulnerable to infections, particularly respiratory

> > > > > infections. So, for me, whether or not I get enough salt,

> > etc.

> > > > > significantly impacts how symptomatic I am for the types of

> > issues

> > > the

> > > >

> > > > > medical profession classifies as " CF " .

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion, we currently do a poor job of distinguishing

> > the

> > > > > causative, underlying issues and the symptoms that occur as

> a

> > > > secondary

> > > > > or even tertiary effect. So while I agree with my doctors

> > that my

> > > > > genetic disorder is " incurable " and " symptom management is

> > the name

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > > the game " , we have VERY different ideas about

> what " symptoms "

> > are

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > " managed " . To ME, the symptoms I need to manage are things

> > like

> > > the

> > > > > need for a high salt diet. To THEM, the symptoms I need to

> > manage

> > > are

> > > >

> > > > > the pain, post-nasal drip, etc. of having a chronic sinus

> > > infection.

> > > > I

> > > > > was told outright that " CF patients are simply chronically

> > infected

> > > --

> > > >

> > > > > symptom management is the name of the game " . They are so

> > used to

> > > CF

> > > > > patients being chronically ill that they cannot

> differentiate

> > > between

> > > > > the effects on the body caused by the genetic disorder per

> se

> > and

> > > the

> > > > > effects on the body of being chronically ill because those

> > > underlying

> > > > > effect! s are not well understood or properly addressed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Given my experience, I have no problem imagining that a

> Down's

> > > > Syndrome

> > > > > person is not really " guaranteed " to have the issues you

> > typically

> > > see

> > > >

> > > > > with this syndrome. If the difference in how their body

> > functions

> > > is

> > > > > better understood, I can well imagine that the outcome

> could

> > be a

> > > lot

> > > > > more 'normal'-looking. Maybe a simple comparison would be

> > that I

> > > have

> > > >

> > > > > pale skin and get easily sunburned. If no one realized my

> > skin was

> > > > more

> > > > > vulnerable to sun burn than that of most folks and we all

> ran

> > > around

> > > > > outside naked all the time, I would likely be chronically

> > > sunburned,

> > > > > possibly chronically peeling, and would be highly likely to

> > get

> > > skin

> > > > > cancer at an early age and possibly die from it. So, then

> > let's

> > > call

> > > > it

> > > > > " peeling skin disorder " and write it up in all the medical

> > journals

> > > > with

> > > > > symptoms like " chronically peeling skin, especially in

> summer

> > > months "

> > > > > and " most of the people die at an early age of skin

> cancer " .

> > If

> > > > people

> > > > > li! ke me always have those symptoms and my " genetic

> > disorder " is

> > > > assumed to

> > > > > be the CAUSE of the peeling skin, cancer, etc. then it is

> > hard to

> > > > > imagine treating such an overwhelming condition by simply

> > > protecting

> > > > me

> > > > > from an excess of sunlight. But the fact is that my genetic

> > > variation

> > > >

> > > > > does not make me constantly sunburned. My genetic

> variation

> > only

> > > > makes

> > > > > me more vulnerable to the effects of sunlight. How much

> > sunlight I

> > > am

> > > >

> > > > > exposed to is a factor that can be controlled and there is

> no

> > > reason I

> > > >

> > > > > have to go around constantly burned, in pain, peeling,

> dying

> > of

> > > skin

> > > > > cancer, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can see that same paradigm concerning my diagnosis of

> Cystic

> > > > > Fibrosis. My doctors cannot.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I think glyconutrients provide optimal nutrition that is

> > > > > particularly crucial to some folks with genetic variations -

> -

> > like

> > > me

> > > > > and like folks with Down's Syndrome. And I know that

> > relatively

> > > > simple

> > > > > nutritional interventions -- like high doses of b vitamins

> > and,

> > > later,

> > > > a

> > > > > 20 pound weight gain -- impacted my son's handwriting,

> social

> > > skills

> > > > etc

> > > > > by treating his malnourshed brain and body. For me, it

> isn't

> > hard

> > > to

> > > > > imagine or understand the same type of thing happening for

> > Down's

> > > > Syndrome.

> > > > >

> > > > > HTH,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Michele in California

> > > > >

> > > > > calif.michele@s...

> > > > > webmaster@c...

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I live in ville, California, where a huge percent of the food for

the USA is produced. The farmers are being heavily charged for the

water that comes out of the ground from their very own wells! Alot of

the small farms are being forced out of business because of these water

charges and heavy taxes in this area they cannot afford to do business

anymore. People complain about all these problems of pesticides and

green harvesting but do not support the local growers who are trying to

grow organic, because they say it is too expensive. I figure I can pay

now for fresh organic foods for pay later with ill health. Even eating

an all organic, vine ripend diet of fruits and vegies and lots of other

healthy stuff will not necesarily keep you well but at least you can

minimize the toxins that are going in on a daily basis. The days of

getting all you need from your diet our gone. Did you notice a bottle of

supplements is at the top of the food pyramid guide now? GIna

Bruce Berman wrote:

> 3% of our farms grow 67% of our produce

> factory farms

> a) use large amount pesticides

> cant do crop rotations

> c) sterilize the soil

> d) don't do top soil repletion

> e) use hybrid species

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> all this and more contribute to the dumbing down of our commercial food

> supply

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> Bruce H. Berman, MD

> Re: [ ] " reversing " chromosomal disorders Re:

> Glyconutrients

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> So what has caused the decrease in nutritional values?

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> Debbie

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> On Apr 1, 2005 5:52 PM, Bruce Berman <drbruce@...> wrote:

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> > Yes pam they have figures from 1950 spinach which is when they tested

> > them

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> > Bruce H. Berman, MD

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