Re: 3rd generation of Asperger's Syndrome

[Guest guest]

I personally believe that it is just not thimerosal alone. Possibly a

genetic component and definitely a faulty immune system for my son (born

3/1999). Any amount is dangerous and looking at the circumstances that they

were dispensed in too. Were they healthy at the time of immunization? Did

they have a cold or other immune issues at the time of immunization. Today

physicians should not vaccinate if a child is not feeling well or showing

signs of being or becoming sick. Your son may have been able to excrete

enough not to have the symptoms be severe or there are additional factors

that obviously not completely founded yet. For us, I believe that my

child's PDD-NOS (mild that it is) is related to thimerosal and MMR pushed

his immune system over the edge. Neither of my children will be vaccinated

again! Thimerosal or not. I just received the results from my pediatrician

about my 4yo's titers.... he has antibodies that are fine and will not have

to be immunized next year for Kindergarten.... not that I was going to do it

anyway. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Jackie-----------------------

>I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. " I thought it was a great

> book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism. I

> believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more now.

> But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling to

> that " theory. " My son has Asperger's Syndrome. Though they were

> never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal

> uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as

> well. So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell victim

> to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have

> received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year old

> son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of

> 1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's Syndrome?

> Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his uncle

> and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who developed

> an autistic disorder way back when?

>

> I'm curious to hear opinions. Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Remember that mercury is bio-accumulative. Also, how many mercury amalgam

dental fillings did/do they have? It would be interesting to see DDI hair

analyses for all three.

S

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I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. "   I thought it was a great <BR>

book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism.  I <BR>

believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more now. <BR>

But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling to <BR>

that " theory. "   My son has Asperger's Syndrome.  Though they were <BR>

never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal <BR>

uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as <BR>

well.  So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell victim<BR>

to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have <BR>

received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year old <BR>

son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of <BR>

1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's Syndrome? <BR>

Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his uncle <BR>

and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who developed<BR>

an autistic disorder way back when?  <BR>

<BR>

I'm curious to hear opinions.  Thank you.<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/smith/smith_minamata.html

The mother bathing her very disabled mercury poisoned child, The

mothers in Japan had children severely mercury poisoned yet they

showed little or no symptoms of mercury poisoning.

Not all the children had severe mercury poisoning like this child,

Some did not show any symptoms for years after, Some had no

symptoms. Everyones body is diffrent. Why do some children die after

getting one vaccine? And some develop ADHD? Why do some who smoke

thier whole lives never develop cancer but the wife who never smoked

does.

Donna

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> <tt>

> I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. "   I thought it was a

great <BR>

> book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism.  I

<BR>

> believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more

now. <BR>

> But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling

to <BR>

> that " theory. "   My son has Asperger's Syndrome.  Though they were

<BR>

> never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal

<BR>

> uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as

<BR>

> well.  So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell

victim<BR>

> to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have

<BR>

> received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year

old <BR>

> son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of

<BR>

> 1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's

Syndrome? <BR>

> Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his

uncle <BR>

> and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who

developed<BR>

> an autistic disorder way back when?  <BR>

> <BR>

> I'm curious to hear opinions.  Thank you.<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> </tt>

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[Guest guest]

My son has had no dental fillings. I don't think my brother has

many, if any at all, and I don't know about my uncle, but I doubt

it.

I did have a DDI hair analysis done on my son. The hair was taken

on 11/2/04 (and I was foolish enough to get him the flu shot on

12/23/03). The mercury level on the hair analysis was 0.04. Also,

his behavior, particularly at school, deteriorated right after he

came back from winter break in January 2004. We haven't started

chelating yet, but we're getting ready.

We do have another son, 3 years old, born January 2002. He also had

the flu shot in December 2003 when he was 23 months old (all the

press about the potentially fatal flu really scared me; I'll never

make that mistake again.) He only had one shot, not the booster,

due

to the vaccine shortage (thank goodness for small favors). In

almost all respects, he is very nt. He is very, very talkative. I

clocked one of his sentences at 14 words! He is very friendly, and

says " hi " to lots of people he passes in stores or on the street.

But, when he goes to the recreation department classes he takes in a

gymnasium, he is running around doing his own thing while most of

the other children are doing what they're supposed to. And when the

neighborhood children are outside and playing " duck duck goose, " he

is walking around doing his own thing again.

We have a twelve year old daughter, too. She is very neurotypical,

except she is incredibly sensitive when it comes to clothing.

So, I am wondering if they, too, may slightly be affectedd by

mercury.

>

> <tt>

> I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. "   I thought it was a

great <BR>

> book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism. 

I

<BR>

> believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more

now. <BR>

> But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling

to <BR>

> that " theory. "   My son has Asperger's Syndrome.  Though they

were

<BR>

> never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal

<BR>

> uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as

<BR>

> well.  So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell

victim<BR>

> to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have

<BR>

> received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year

old <BR>

> son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of

<BR>

> 1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's

Syndrome? <BR>

> Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his

uncle <BR>

> and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who

developed<BR>

> an autistic disorder way back when?  <BR>

> <BR>

> I'm curious to hear opinions.  Thank you.<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> </tt>

>

> <br><br>

> <tt>

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> We have a twelve year old daughter, too. She is very neurotypical,

> except she is incredibly sensitive when it comes to clothing.

>

> So, I am wondering if they, too, may slightly be affectedd by

> mercury.

My NT 4 yo daughter's hair test looked much worse than that of my

Asperger's son. She met the counting rules, he didn't. I'm chelating

them both...

Nell

[Guest guest]

Many things could have affected your son's situation. Was he sick when he

received the vaccines? Did he get the Hep B at birth? The first six months

are CRUCIAL for exposure to mercury; perhaps your son was exposed much

earlier than they were. Was he on antibiotics? That strongly affects

clearance of mercury.

Barb

[ ] 3rd generation of Asperger's Syndrome

>I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. " I thought it was a great

> book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism. I

> believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more now.

> But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling to

> that " theory. " My son has Asperger's Syndrome. Though they were

> never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal

> uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as

> well. So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell victim

> to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have

> received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year old

> son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of

> 1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's Syndrome?

> Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his uncle

> and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who developed

> an autistic disorder way back when?

>

> I'm curious to hear opinions. Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>>So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell victim

> to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have

> received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year old

> son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of

> 1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's Syndrome?

Not always. All four of my kids were injured by vaccines. The

severity of their injury is directly correlated with the timing of

their vax.

#1 boy -- First vax late, he was sick at age 2mos. Not dx'd, but

probable dx before biomedical interventions would have been

AS/CAPD/ADD. Now, after biomedical, probable dx would be ADD.

#2 boy -- First vax HepB at birth. Dx'd classic Kanner's autism,

severe, low functioning. Now, would probably be dx'd language delay only.

#3 boy -- First vax at 2mos. Not dx'd, but probable dx would have

been PDD/language delay/SID. Now, probable dx language delay only.

#4 girl -- First vax at 2mos. Stopped vaxing before the MMR. Not

dx'ed, but severely food intolerant. Now, entirely NT, waaaaaayyyyy

too social, talks waaaaayyyy too much LOL

I have also recently discovered my kids are iron toxic. I have begun

eliminating the iron, which has produced some WONDERFUL improvements.

Now at this point they are fully chelated, all virus issues

eliminated, fully supplemented to the point they don't need most

supplements any more, etc, so maybe the major improvements are not

only related to the removal of the iron, but because it has

significantly affected #2's language ability, I know that at least for

#2, iron toxicity was a MAJOR consideration.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Remember that your husband's genetics come into play here as well. If his

side is strong on clearing mercury, that could help your son. We seem to

have this sort of scenario as my side has the MS, etc. while his side

doesn't.

Barb

ReRe: [ ] 3rd generation of Asperger's Syndrome

>I see where you're going with this. Were there other sources of

> mercury?

>

> 1. They had autistic symptoms in very early childhood, so work

> would not come into play. Even so, now my uncle is unemployed

> (Always has been except for a few brief periods where he did manual

> labor at stores); My brother, a college graduate, pots cactuses at

> a cactus nursery. My uncle's father was an engineer. His

> mother was a homemaker. My brother's father (my father) was a

> newspaper editor. Our mother was a teacher.

>

> 2. Uncle lived in Chicago, Ill. Brother lived in southern NJ--

> farming and glass factories.

>

> 3. Brother--doesn't like fish; never did. Don't know about my

> uncle.

>

> 4. Brother never went to the dentist until he was at least twelve

> or so. I think he has very few fillings. Don't know about my uncle.

>

> 5. I don't believe they played with mercury as kids.

>

> So, you see, there appear to be no other major exposures. I just

> think that if my family was so sensitive to mercury as to have been

> effected as long ago as the 1940s (assuming that autism = mercury

> poisoning), the far greater load of mercury my son received should

> have really pushed him over the edge. But he is verbal and

> intelligent. We have major problems getting him to do his

> schoolwork, there are behavioral problems, motor problems, he has no

> friends, per se, and he would spend ALL his time in front of a

> computer or a Playstation if allowed. But he clearly does not

> have " classic " autism.

>

>

>

>> Several questions about the two men:

>>

>> 1. What type of work did they do? What type of work did their

> parents do?

>> 2. Where were they living?

>> 3. What type of diet - ie. fish??

>> 4. What type of dental work did they have in their mouth?

>> 5. Did they play with mercury as kids?

>> 6. Not necessarily would the child have full blown autism - is

> mother could

>> have been bring better immunity genes to the picture.

>>

>>

>> Kathy Hybl

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I meant the counting rules rather than the mercury reading.

S

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My son has had no dental fillings.  I don't think my brother has <BR>

many, if any at all, and I don't know about my uncle, but I doubt <BR>

it.  <BR>

<BR>

I did have a DDI hair analysis done on my son.  The hair was taken <BR>

on 11/2/04 (and I was foolish enough to get him the flu shot on <BR>

12/23/03).  The mercury level on the hair analysis was 0.04.  Also, <BR>

his behavior, particularly at school, deteriorated right after he <BR>

came back from winter break in January 2004.  We haven't started <BR>

chelating yet, but we're getting ready.<BR>

<BR>

We do have another son, 3 years old, born January 2002.  He also had <BR>

the flu shot in December 2003 when he was 23 months old (all the <BR>

press about the potentially fatal flu really scared me; I'll never <BR>

make that mistake again.)  He only had one shot, not the booster, <BR>

due <BR>

to the vaccine shortage (thank goodness for small favors).  In <BR>

almost all respects, he is very nt.  He is very, very talkative.  I <BR>

clocked one of his sentences at 14 words!  He is very friendly, and <BR>

says " hi " to lots of people he passes in stores or on the street.  <BR>

But, when he goes to the recreation department classes he takes in a <BR>

gymnasium, he is running around doing his own thing while most of <BR>

the other children are doing what they're supposed to.  And when the <BR>

neighborhood children are outside and playing " duck duck goose, " he <BR>

is walking around doing his own thing again.<BR>

<BR>

We have a twelve year old daughter, too.  She is very neurotypical, <BR>

except she is incredibly sensitive when it comes to clothing.<BR>

<BR>

So, I am wondering if they, too, may slightly be affectedd by <BR>

mercury.<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

> <BR>

> <tt><BR>

> I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. "   I thought it was a <BR>

great <BR><BR>

> book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism. <BR>

I <BR>

<BR><BR>

> believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more <BR>

now. <BR><BR>

> But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling <BR>

to <BR><BR>

> that " theory. "   My son has Asperger's Syndrome.  Though they<BR>

were <BR>

<BR><BR>

> never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal <BR>

<BR><BR>

> uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as <BR>

<BR><BR>

> well.  So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell <BR>

victim<BR><BR>

> to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have <BR>

<BR><BR>

> received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year <BR>

old <BR><BR>

> son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of <BR>

<BR><BR>

> 1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's <BR>

Syndrome? <BR><BR>

> Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his <BR>

uncle <BR><BR>

> and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who <BR>

developed<BR><BR>

> an autistic disorder way back when?  <BR><BR>

> <BR><BR>

> I'm curious to hear opinions.  Thank you.<BR><BR>

> <BR><BR>

> <BR><BR>

> <BR><BR>

> </tt><BR>

> <BR>

> <br><br><BR>

> <tt><BR>

> =======================================================<BR><BR>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I am a chemist and I health consultant and I have a health practice.

I focus on the entire person, body, mind, spirit & emotion. I have

taught nutrition and I primarily focus on:

(1) getting good nutrition & supplements in

(2) getting toxins out of the physical body + the home environment

Personally, I have had very high mercury poisoning. Have you? It

causes numerous symptoms. One minute you can't think straight,

foggy headed, etc., and the next you can't sit still. I am high

intelligence and it was crazy making...

Mercury affect your entire nervous system. The key is to get it

out, and to support the body, nutritionally, and with immune system

boosters.

What do you use for cleaning products, laundry detergent, face soap,

bleach, air freshener, floor mop, etc.? Would you like me to assess

whether the ones you use are contributing toxins or not?

Does your son eat commercial cereal, processed food, candy, chips,

soda pop, prepared desserts (donuts, cakes, cookies, etc.), non

organic meat, chicken, eggs, dairy, etc.?

It is challenging at times, without DNA testing, to determine what

is hereditary vs what is environmentally (cleaners + food) induced.

What is simple is to remove the toxins and to see what happens.

Your brother & uncle could very well be reacting to mercury, too.

How old are they? I am 51 and I was poisoned.

I hope this helps, a little.

Take care,

P.S. I live in Toronto, where do you live? We are stuggling to get

spring here. The weather warmed up and then cooled down to around

10 C (50 F), with the evenings cooling off to close to slightly

above the freezing mark...! And, to top it off, squirrels ate all

of my tulip buds today... they would have opened in a few days...!

If I don't chuckle, I'll scream! :-) The little beggers...! :-)

Have a great day.

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From: " Shepard " <_Shepard@...>

Date: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:00 pm

Subject: [ ] Re: 3rd generation of Asperger's Syndrome

Oh, I meant the counting rules rather than the mercury reading.

S

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> Remember that mercury is bio-accumulative. Also, how many

> mercury amalgam dental fillings did/do they have? It would

> be interesting to see DDI hair analyses for all three.

> S

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rom: " pamelota " <pamelot9@...>

Date: Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:57 pm

Subject: 3rd generation of Asperger's Syndrome

I just finished reading " Evidence of Harm. " I thought it was a great

book, and I do believe in the thimerosal connection to autism. I

believed it before I read the book, and I believe it even more now.

But there is one thing that I am having trouble with reconciling to

that " theory. " My son has Asperger's Syndrome. Though they were

never officially diagnosed, my brother (born 1961) and my maternal

uncle (born circa 1947) clearly both have Asperger's Syndrome as

well. So, I am wondering, if my brother and uncle both fell victim

to the relatively limited amounts of thimerosal they would have

received in vaccines all those years ago, wouldn't my seven year old

son, who received that full, thimerosal laden vaccine schedule of

1997, have a more serious autistic disorder than Asperger's Syndrome?

Shouldn't it be logical that he would have full Autism if his uncle

and great uncle were among those rare 1 in 10,000 kids who developed

an autistic disorder way back when?

I'm curious to hear opinions. Thank you.