Re: High ammonia/High aluminum..need help!!

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[ ] High ammonia/High aluminum..need help!!

Ok long story short...I get a amino acids plasma done on last

month and loe and behold he has very high ammonia levels!! I am so

beside myself....Dr. DeMio prescribes Alpha Kethoric Acid to bring

levels down. That pacifies me for the moment....but I still am so

upset about why it's high. So I sit down at the table today with all

of Vinnie's tests results and pour over them...looking for any

clues. I find high levels of aluminum in his hair test last

year...but no aluminum being excreted in his urine on any of his

urine tests. Last test I have is for the 4 month challenge...still

no aluminum!! I read on to discover that toxic levels of aluminum

causes high ammonia levels by decreasing alpah-keto-

glutarate....UUUHHHH! Go figure, right???

So everybody, please help me...how can I get the aluminum out? Am I

doing everything I can already with TD-DMPS and I need to just be

patient and try to lower levels with supplements? Is TD-DMSA a better

chelator of aluminum? I just completed month 5 and I am dumping

lots of mercury in my urine...last result was 8.1! What is blocking

my aluminum? I have researched and discovered that Mg and Malic Acid

can be effective in lowering aluminum levels...so I ordered some

cream of Mg to put more in his body. What in the hell am I missing

here?

Any any suggestions is so greatly needed!!!!

Zevnik

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Good suggestions from Steve. Ammonia is a sign that the liver is damaged, unable

to process protein. I would add lots of Vitamin E and milk thistle (good for

liver). The best thing for the liver is a tip I got from Steve, lecithin, or

phosphatidylcholine. As much as you can get down him. It's pretty icky, maybe

hide in natural peanut butter.

You can get it powdered, but still pretty icky. I have also read to give at

least 6 protein based meals a day. They don't have to be big meals, a few bites

of chicken and fruit/vegetable are acceptable.

With the mercury you are pulling, if you get his liver straightened out, you

should be home free. Is why most of us are in this mess, damaged liver due to

antibiotics and vaccines with mercury, couldn't allow the liver to throw out the

toxins. Key for most is chelation and healing of the liver.

Good luck,

[ ] Re: High ammonia/High aluminum..need help!!

My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we got it down

very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

The results came very quickly and made a big difference to his

functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for years.

As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being properly digested

and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate will also

help with gut healing and flora

re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica can help

displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the body will be

able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or not that is

true.

Steve

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i am quoting here from willis s langford's tome Comprehensive Guide

To Mastering Autism- " dmps takes metals out in a certain order:

zinc,tin,copper,arsenic,mercury,lead,iron,and cadmium creating

damaging deficiencies in necessary minerals. dmsa does not chelate

aluminum one of the problem metals for kids. magnesium in glysinated

form is said to reduce aluminun as will malic acid(apple cider

vinegar). " he is a brilliant man who has gathered a huge amount on

info, gives alot of pros and cons of each therapy or intervention

and has a 350 page book. i found him through the ARI site there was

a portion of the book edited and posted as nutrition in autism but i

called him and he was lovely and sent me the whole book online for

me to print out and i sent him a check in the mail. it is very

technical info and he covers just about every therapy being used. i

mention all this because i cannnot figure out what author of the

exact phrase above to reference, it may have been one of several as

part of my bibiliography did not print. he has been correct for us

but again i have no direct experience with aluminum. ...teresa c---

In , " leslie_zevnik "

<leslie_zevnik@y...> wrote:

> Ok long story short...I get a amino acids plasma done on

last

> month and loe and behold he has very high ammonia levels!! I am

so

> beside myself....Dr. DeMio prescribes Alpha Kethoric Acid to bring

> levels down. That pacifies me for the moment....but I still am so

> upset about why it's high. So I sit down at the table today with

all

> of Vinnie's tests results and pour over them...looking for any

> clues. I find high levels of aluminum in his hair test last

> year...but no aluminum being excreted in his urine on any of his

> urine tests. Last test I have is for the 4 month

challenge...still

> no aluminum!! I read on to discover that toxic levels of aluminum

> causes high ammonia levels by decreasing alpah-keto-

> glutarate....UUUHHHH! Go figure, right???

>

> So everybody, please help me...how can I get the aluminum out? Am

I

> doing everything I can already with TD-DMPS and I need to just be

> patient and try to lower levels with supplements? Is TD-DMSA a

better

> chelator of aluminum? I just completed month 5 and I am dumping

> lots of mercury in my urine...last result was 8.1! What is

blocking

> my aluminum? I have researched and discovered that Mg and Malic

Acid

> can be effective in lowering aluminum levels...so I ordered some

> cream of Mg to put more in his body. What in the hell am I

missing

> here?

>

> Any any suggestions is so greatly needed!!!!

>

> Zevnik

[Guest guest]

My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we got it down

very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

The results came very quickly and made a big difference to his

functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for years.

As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being properly digested

and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate will also

help with gut healing and flora

re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica can help

displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the body will be

able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or not that is

true.

Steve

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Steve,

I started AKA on Monday...what results to his functioning should I be

watching for?

VIncent is a terrible gut kid....proteins are NOT being digested at

all I think. I actually think he might have some genetics mutations

where he is unable to digest protein probably....makes for keeping

yeast down quite a challenge! Can you suggest a enzyme that you have

had a good experience with....I have tried Houstons and they have

always messed with his bowels...I will order some Magnesium Butyrate

to his protoccol and see how he does.

I give good amounts of probotics already...will try more

Thanks!

> My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we got it

down

> very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

>

> The results came very quickly and made a big difference to his

> functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for years.

>

> As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

> satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being properly

digested

> and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate will

also

> help with gut healing and flora

>

> re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica can

help

> displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

>

> Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the body will

be

> able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or not that

is

> true.

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

,

had a moderate amount of antibotics in his first year of life

(of course and vaccs to add to this mess. I give 400 iu of E a

day, 200mg of milk thistle a day...can I go up safely for a 41 pound

3 year old?

I do have a new bottle of lecithin in the fridge, bought it last

month but was nervous because he is sensitive to soy. Going to throw

caution to the wind and try that out.

With being so young...do you think that getting the metals

out..that the liver will heal itself? How much damage can be caused

before it is unrepairable? Been watching his liver enzymes during

chelation..they are holding good.

He is dumping mercury pretty fast in his urine (none in fecal yet)...

> Good suggestions from Steve. Ammonia is a sign that the liver is

damaged, unable to process protein. I would add lots of Vitamin E and

milk thistle (good for liver). The best thing for the liver is a tip

I got from Steve, lecithin, or phosphatidylcholine. As much as you

can get down him. It's pretty icky, maybe hide in natural peanut

butter.

>

> You can get it powdered, but still pretty icky. I have also read to

give at least 6 protein based meals a day. They don't have to be big

meals, a few bites of chicken and fruit/vegetable are acceptable.

>

> With the mercury you are pulling, if you get his liver straightened

out, you should be home free. Is why most of us are in this mess,

damaged liver due to antibiotics and vaccines with mercury, couldn't

allow the liver to throw out the toxins. Key for most is chelation

and healing of the liver.

>

> Good luck,

>

> [ ] Re: High ammonia/High aluminum..need

help!!

>

>

> My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we got it

down

> very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

>

> The results came very quickly and made a big difference to his

> functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for years.

>

> As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

> satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being properly

digested

> and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate will

also

> help with gut healing and flora

>

> re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica can

help

> displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

>

> Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the body

will be

> able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or not

that is

> true.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

It's interesting...I've never had my son's ammonia level checked but

he chelated lead like you would not believe and some minor mercury,

but aluminum keeps showing up in his hair tests. I just started him

on Lipiflow (very high grade lecithin it was around $100 with S & H).

A chemist friend of mine swears by it and it's what he learned about

it from studies they are doing at NASA that are showing that it

rebuilds the liver. He also told me to pair it up with

phosphatidylcholine which I got at the health food store. I put it

on my son's burgers, in his hemp nut butter sandwiches or on

his " waffles " and he doesn't seem to mind it. A couple of times

he's just eaten it off the spoon.

I've been using silica as well, from Eidon. They have ionic silica

and Rick Wagner the owner/president is also going through mercury

chelation and will talk to you if you phone.

Is it that the stuff is actually working and that's why it's coming

out of his hair now? Detection level of the hair test company that

we use is 8 and he shows at 25.

Still no mercury. Not sure if he is just one heck of a non-extretor

of if lead and aluminum (in his flu shots) were the real culprit.

Best regards,

Debbie

> Good suggestions from Steve. Ammonia is a sign that the liver is

damaged, unable to process protein. I would add lots of Vitamin E

and milk thistle (good for liver). The best thing for the liver is a

tip I got from Steve, lecithin, or phosphatidylcholine. As much as

you can get down him. It's pretty icky, maybe hide in natural peanut

butter.

>

> You can get it powdered, but still pretty icky. I have also read

to give at least 6 protein based meals a day. They don't have to be

big meals, a few bites of chicken and fruit/vegetable are acceptable.

>

> With the mercury you are pulling, if you get his liver

straightened out, you should be home free. Is why most of us are in

this mess, damaged liver due to antibiotics and vaccines with

mercury, couldn't allow the liver to throw out the toxins. Key for

most is chelation and healing of the liver.

>

> Good luck,

>

> [ ] Re: High ammonia/High aluminum..need

help!!

>

>

> My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we got

it down

> very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

>

> The results came very quickly and made a big difference to his

> functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for years.

>

> As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

> satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being properly

digested

> and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate

will also

> help with gut healing and flora

>

> re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica can

help

> displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

>

> Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the body

will be

> able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or not

that is

> true.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

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Debbie,

Isn't horsetail a natural form of silica???? I was at the health

food store today and saw it on the shelf...and I had a urge to buy

it...uh, interesting...

> > Good suggestions from Steve. Ammonia is a sign that the liver is

> damaged, unable to process protein. I would add lots of Vitamin E

> and milk thistle (good for liver). The best thing for the liver is

a

> tip I got from Steve, lecithin, or phosphatidylcholine. As much as

> you can get down him. It's pretty icky, maybe hide in natural

peanut

> butter.

> >

> > You can get it powdered, but still pretty icky. I have also read

> to give at least 6 protein based meals a day. They don't have to be

> big meals, a few bites of chicken and fruit/vegetable are

acceptable.

> >

> > With the mercury you are pulling, if you get his liver

> straightened out, you should be home free. Is why most of us are in

> this mess, damaged liver due to antibiotics and vaccines with

> mercury, couldn't allow the liver to throw out the toxins. Key for

> most is chelation and healing of the liver.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> > [ ] Re: High ammonia/High aluminum..need

> help!!

> >

> >

> > My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we got

> it down

> > very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

> >

> > The results came very quickly and made a big difference to his

> > functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for

years.

> >

> > As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

> > satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being properly

> digested

> > and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate

> will also

> > help with gut healing and flora

> >

> > re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica

can

> help

> > displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

> >

> > Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the body

> will be

> > able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or not

> that is

> > true.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

> Steve,

> I started AKA on Monday...what results to his functioning should I

be

> watching for?

-- better cognition, more alertness

If you're not already getting results, i would add in butyrate. within

days we were finding a very strong ammonia smell in his nappies. His

bedroom reeked of it every morning

> Can you suggest a enzyme that you have

> had a good experience with....I have tried Houstons and they have

> always messed with his bowels...

-- I find a lot of people have problems with Houston Zyme Prime, but

this is not the important enzyme supp. did you have problems with

Peptizyde or AFP peptizyde? They are the protein-digesting enzyme

supps.

I would try AFP peptizyde on its own and see how you go with that.

then i would buy several sample sizes of various Kirkman enzymes and

try them for fat and carb digestion.

Good luck

Steve

[Guest guest]

Steve,

Is butyrate's natural source from cow's milk? Vinnie is highly

intolerable to dairy...is there another source? Where did you buy

yours?

Yes, AFP is one that he tolerated fairly well...gave him one just

last week when he sneaked a piece of cheese. I will add that in

today. I have a bottle of Carb Digest from Kirkman's also....

I though I smelled something amiss last night when I went into his

room to check on him...

Yes, I have seen a difference with him this week...along w/mental

clarity comes naugtiness with Vinnie

> > Steve,

> > I started AKA on Monday...what results to his functioning should

I

> be

> > watching for?

>

> -- better cognition, more alertness

> If you're not already getting results, i would add in butyrate.

within

> days we were finding a very strong ammonia smell in his nappies.

His

> bedroom reeked of it every morning

>

> > Can you suggest a enzyme that you have

> > had a good experience with....I have tried Houstons and they have

> > always messed with his bowels...

> -- I find a lot of people have problems with Houston Zyme Prime,

but

> this is not the important enzyme supp. did you have problems with

> Peptizyde or AFP peptizyde? They are the protein-digesting enzyme

> supps.

>

> I would try AFP peptizyde on its own and see how you go with that.

>

> then i would buy several sample sizes of various Kirkman enzymes

and

> try them for fat and carb digestion.

>

> Good luck

> Steve

[Guest guest]

> Steve,

> Is butyrate's natural source from cow's milk? Vinnie is highly

> intolerable to dairy...is there another source? Where did you buy

> yours?

Butyrate occurs naturally in dairy food. I believe the word itslef

derives from " butter " . But the caps you buy are made in labs, not

sourced from dairy. You can be confident they are casein free

We have used several brands, I can't remeber them exactly as Callum's

gut has healed considerably and we don't use this supp on a regular

basis anymore.

I found some Ecological Formulas Cal-Mag Butyrate in our cupboard.

I would look at the big companies like www.iherb.com, www.bayho.com

etc

I know Emerson Ecologics sells it, but they charge like wounded bulls

Steve

[Guest guest]

Yep, horsetail is silica. I've just always used straight silica

from Eidon because they manufacture close by my home and their

president always makes time for my questions.

I'm so glad you found it!

Debbie

> > > Good suggestions from Steve. Ammonia is a sign that the liver

is

> > damaged, unable to process protein. I would add lots of Vitamin

E

> > and milk thistle (good for liver). The best thing for the liver

is

> a

> > tip I got from Steve, lecithin, or phosphatidylcholine. As much

as

> > you can get down him. It's pretty icky, maybe hide in natural

> peanut

> > butter.

> > >

> > > You can get it powdered, but still pretty icky. I have also

read

> > to give at least 6 protein based meals a day. They don't have to

be

> > big meals, a few bites of chicken and fruit/vegetable are

> acceptable.

> > >

> > > With the mercury you are pulling, if you get his liver

> > straightened out, you should be home free. Is why most of us are

in

> > this mess, damaged liver due to antibiotics and vaccines with

> > mercury, couldn't allow the liver to throw out the toxins. Key

for

> > most is chelation and healing of the liver.

> > >

> > > Good luck,

> > >

> > > [ ] Re: High ammonia/High

aluminum..need

> > help!!

> > >

> > >

> > > My son had very high ammonia two or three years ago and we

got

> > it down

> > > very quickly using alpha-ketoglutaric acid and butyrate.

> > >

> > > The results came very quickly and made a big difference to

his

> > > functioning but we had to keep him on maintenace doses for

> years.

> > >

> > > As well as aluminum, you should look at whether digestion is

> > > satisfactory. It could be that proteins are not being

properly

> > digested

> > > and you made need more enzymes, probiotics etc. the butyrate

> > will also

> > > help with gut healing and flora

> > >

> > > re aluminum, I have seen some evidence that colloidal silica

> can

> > help

> > > displace it. That's silica, NOT silver.

> > >

> > > Andy's stance on this is get out the other metals and the

body

> > will be

> > > able to get rid of the aluminum. I have no idea whether or

not

> > that is

> > > true.

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >