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Ken,

I'm only familiar with VA, but here, even though Connor is not

developmentally delayed in any way (He reached his IEP goals on the

second day of school), we have him at the special needs school due

to " Other Health Issue, " or O.H.I. clause on his IEP. We also are

tracking the ADD angel as Connor is really exhibiting this type of

behavior. He has been having hypo-g episodes at school that have

affected his attention span and social skills.

So, you've got an OHI or an ADD to add to your roster. If your

doctor put's it in writing that your son still needs O.T. that's

more credence on your end for them to supply it.

This is really a rock and hard place. The school has to demonstrate

that they are meeting goals and helping kids. The parents need some

care to go on even after academic goals are met. Therein lies the

tension.

I hope we all can give you good insight that helps.

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> We have a dilemma. Currently my son is in the third grade. He is

> doing very well. He is average or above average in every subject.

He

> is doing exceptionally well in math and reading.

>

> He is receiving speech therapy and O/T under an IEP according to

the

> IDEIA regulations. The school has just completed his 3 year

> evaluations. He scored above the 50th percentile in all areas

except

> 1. Which is no big deal.

>

> So the school wants to drop his special education qualification

and

> switch him to a 504. They also want to drop his speech therapy and

> contiue with a reduced amount of OT. He still has some OT issues.

>

> Of course, we would like to remain under the protection of the

IDEIA

> regulations as they provide for the establishement of therapy

goals,

> written notice for meetings and/or changes to his therapy, regular

> updates etc. A 504 plan offers none of that.

>

> Any suggestions on how to remain under the IDEIA regulations would

be

> greatly appreciated as my wife and I can find defensible postion

to

> justify staying with an IEP given 's progress and

achievements.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ken M

> :)

>

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Hey Ken,

We had the EXACT SAME Situation as you! We were told that 's OT

and social skills therapy could no longer be folded under RSS, which

is a medical diagnosis. however, they would still give us speech

therapy, due to the documented oral hypotonic symptoms RSS kids show,

not to mention the flattened eustachian tubes, etc...

So, here's what we had to do keep him qualified for the other

services in his IEP. We went to an independent neuropsychologist, who

gave a battery of tests. She diagnosed as having

some " asperger's like " behaviors. This was enough to give the school

the go-ahead for services. Now, I'm not saying you should " shop " for

a diagnosis, and i am surprised that his RSS doesn't immediately

qualify him for any OT or Speech.

Check with Jodi, because she could offer some good advice here. But,

I really feel that the RSS medical diagnosis should be enough. That

said, the school also ended up ending 's OT, but we have an

agreement that the therapist will evaluate him twice a year and check

in with us to make sure there are no outstanding issues.

katy

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> We have a dilemma. Currently my son is in the third grade. He is

> doing very well. He is average or above average in every subject.

He

> is doing exceptionally well in math and reading.

>

> He is receiving speech therapy and O/T under an IEP according to

the

> IDEIA regulations. The school has just completed his 3 year

> evaluations. He scored above the 50th percentile in all areas

except

> 1. Which is no big deal.

>

> So the school wants to drop his special education qualification and

> switch him to a 504. They also want to drop his speech therapy and

> contiue with a reduced amount of OT. He still has some OT issues.

>

> Of course, we would like to remain under the protection of the

IDEIA

> regulations as they provide for the establishement of therapy

goals,

> written notice for meetings and/or changes to his therapy, regular

> updates etc. A 504 plan offers none of that.

>

> Any suggestions on how to remain under the IDEIA regulations would

be

> greatly appreciated as my wife and I can find defensible postion to

> justify staying with an IEP given 's progress and achievements.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ken M

> :)

>

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Hi Katy,

Thanks for the info.

The school is going to continue with speech therapy for a short

while. They will also continue with his OT next year. However, they

are saying that neither is affecting his academic performance. Given

his above average grades and performance on all the evaluations, we

can't argue. Also, according to the IDEIA law, the school is only

required to provide services when they interfere with academic

performance and therefore he no longer qualifies for an IEP. So in

its place they are offering a 504 plan with some carryover O/T

therapy.

The speech therapist and the O/T were " blown away " with how well he

did in all the tests given where he was 3 years ago.

I was just trying to see if there is something I missed.

Thanks

Ken M

:)

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > We have a dilemma. Currently my son is in the third grade. He is

> > doing very well. He is average or above average in every subject.

> He

> > is doing exceptionally well in math and reading.

> >

> > He is receiving speech therapy and O/T under an IEP according to

> the

> > IDEIA regulations. The school has just completed his 3 year

> > evaluations. He scored above the 50th percentile in all areas

> except

> > 1. Which is no big deal.

> >

> > So the school wants to drop his special education qualification

and

> > switch him to a 504. They also want to drop his speech therapy

and

> > contiue with a reduced amount of OT. He still has some OT issues.

> >

> > Of course, we would like to remain under the protection of the

> IDEIA

> > regulations as they provide for the establishement of therapy

> goals,

> > written notice for meetings and/or changes to his therapy,

regular

> > updates etc. A 504 plan offers none of that.

> >

> > Any suggestions on how to remain under the IDEIA regulations

would

> be

> > greatly appreciated as my wife and I can find defensible postion

to

> > justify staying with an IEP given 's progress and

achievements.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ken M

> > :)

> >

>

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Hi Ken,

I went through the same thing with ita about 2 months ago.

I was so scared. I packed my brief case with all the things to firm

up my position as to why Jua still needed IEP. They even took her

out of speach. Then they wanted her to have a 504 B.

I am a listener, so I first let them present their case in the

meeting. Ken, I never touched my brief case.

They were telling me that ita was doing fine and this meeting

was in preparation for the fourth grade and a change from an IEP to

the 504b.

1. ita will have a Lift Bus to report to her home every morning

for pick up and the same bus to take her home after school. There

will be state helpers at each location.

2.ita will have a named teacher and sub as an escort for any

emergency to see that she gets out quickly.

3. ita will have a key to the school elevator and her wheel

chair will remain at the steps end to wisk her away fr harm in an

evacuation.

4. ita will indicate an answer on any state test and teacher

will blacken in the cirlcle. ( can't use her hands normally).

5. OT and PT will be given on needed basis with a minimum of twice

per week.

Long story short, I was at ease. The 504 B is a WRITTEN Full

Document more like a letter. This letter stipulates the who, what,

where, why and how your child will be cared for in school.

Ken, get prepared but just let them present their case, and please

let us know what happened.

AvaMarie

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> We have a dilemma. Currently my son is in the third grade. He is

> doing very well. He is average or above average in every subject.

He

> is doing exceptionally well in math and reading.

>

> He is receiving speech therapy and O/T under an IEP according to

the

> IDEIA regulations. The school has just completed his 3 year

> evaluations. He scored above the 50th percentile in all areas

except

> 1. Which is no big deal.

>

> So the school wants to drop his special education qualification

and

> switch him to a 504. They also want to drop his speech therapy and

> contiue with a reduced amount of OT. He still has some OT issues.

>

> Of course, we would like to remain under the protection of the

IDEIA

> regulations as they provide for the establishement of therapy

goals,

> written notice for meetings and/or changes to his therapy, regular

> updates etc. A 504 plan offers none of that.

>

> Any suggestions on how to remain under the IDEIA regulations would

be

> greatly appreciated as my wife and I can find defensible postion

to

> justify staying with an IEP given 's progress and

achievements.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ken M

> :)

>

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