Re: Allergy shots

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In a message dated 9/6/00 12:39:04 PM Central Daylight Time,

sdcarv@... writes:

<< I think that this has been answered before but I can't remember so I will

ask again. Is there mercury in allergy injections? >>

I remember folks saying that some do contain mercury as a preservative but

not all.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

I think so! I believe someone said that a while back. Over 50 vaccines approved by the FDA contain thimeresol.

Barb

[ ] Allergy shots

Dear Listers,

I think that this has been answered before but I can't remember so I will ask again.

Is there mercury in allergy injections?

I just remembered that I was getting weekly allergy injections while pregnant with my (autistic) son but I didn't do them with either of my other children.

Thanks,

Donna :-)

[Guest guest]

I've always wondered if the EPD injections contained mercury? I don't know

about allergy shots but they are multidose bottles and good candidates to

have mercury in them.

Janice in TX

[ ] Allergy shots

Dear Listers,

I think that this has been answered before but I can't remember so I will

ask again.

Is there mercury in allergy injections?

I just remembered that I was getting weekly allergy injections while

pregnant with my (autistic) son but I didn't do them with either of my other

children.

Thanks,

Donna :-)

[Guest guest]

I wonder if he isn't getting mercury in our allergy shots too that we

take? mmmmm.

I don't think most allergy shots contain mercury, but its always

wise to ask. but why are you taking allergy shots when you have limited

income?? I had allergy shots which didn't help much and I've never

seen any evidence that many are helped much by allergy shots. But after

I dealt with my mercury problem, my lifetime chronic dust and mold

allergies just went away. with allergies I think its mostly a big

chronic toxicity/immune reactivity problem that overwhelms the immune

system so it can't deal even with the little stuff. and people waste

their time and money trying to deal with the litttle stuff that isn't

really the basic problem; Unload the immune system and it can take

care of the little stuff. so the big question I think is what is the

big,main problem and deal with it.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

I don't have to pay for allergy shots..insurance does otherwise I

would never beable to do it. The shots have helped both Nate and I a

great deal....I started this before I learned all this other

stuff..re:this board...I knew nothing about heavy metals. Nate gets

sick less often..he used to have chronic sinuse infections. My

feeling sick all the time is better and my depression is better. So

for us the shots are really helping. Allergies also run in my family

pretty bad and I have alot of airborne allergies and was never

treated for them as a child. Growing up in school I had a really bad

learning disablities which now I feel there is a connection between

learning problems, developmental delays, allergies, ect to this heavy

metal stuff. I am learning slowly...we will get there. But I

wonder if my own brain isn't damaged...there are some things I can't

do no matter how much I work of them...spelling is slowly getting

better but I can't do math...I get numbers and sysbloms mixed up. So

many problems...I just don't want Nate to end up like me.

> I wonder if he isn't getting mercury in our allergy shots too

that we

> take? mmmmm.

>

>

> I don't think most allergy shots contain mercury, but its

always

> wise to ask. but why are you taking allergy shots when you have

limited

> income?? I had allergy shots which didn't help much and I've

never

> seen any evidence that many are helped much by allergy shots. But

after

> I dealt with my mercury problem, my lifetime chronic dust and mold

> allergies just went away. with allergies I think its mostly a big

> chronic toxicity/immune reactivity problem that overwhelms the

immune

> system so it can't deal even with the little stuff. and people waste

> their time and money trying to deal with the litttle stuff that

isn't

> really the basic problem; Unload the immune system and it can take

> care of the little stuff. so the big question I think is what is the

> big,main problem and deal with it.

> Bernie

[Guest guest]

I did other things than allergy shots (because I talked to a lot of

people who did them and only a few thought they helped much) but I

really do want to encourage everyone whose child is allergic or who is

allergic to treat the allergy directly. Even though the allergies are

often entirely due to mercury, they are real, miserable, and can be

made MUCH better by all of traditional medicine, alternative medicine,

and nutritional supplements. The meds, treatments and supplements

lead to much more rapid relief than simply doing detox, though the

detox does eventually get rid of the problem entirely. There is no

reason to suffer for a few years while your body forgets to make

antibodies to innocuous things like pollen.

Allopathic things that help:

Antihistamines. Many people have to try a lot before they find one

that is not depressive or sedating. Personally I did literally try

every single prescription and OTC antihistamine, and found all but the

last one I tried (allegra) to have intolerable side effects. I am

really glad I didn't give up before I tried that last one!

Accolate. This particular medication, but not its competitors, lowers

the general level of allergic sensitivity while it is being taken. It

has to be taken continuously. It is absorbed better on an empty

stomach, so if it is impractical to give it between meals, just get a

double dose.

Steroid inhalers. Even for people who are not asthmatic, these

greatly reduce the tiredness associated with allergies. They are a

bit of a chore to use, or to get children to use. Despite AMA dogma

to the contrary, they work better as dosage is increased beyond the

" maximum. "

Allergy shots. For those who find the irrationality of AMA dogma

entertaining, these contain what would be called 6X to 6C homeopathic

remedies if you got them at the health food store or " witch doctor's "

office. Like 6X-6C homeopathic remedies, they are effective in

pushing the immune system around.

Supplements are C, magnesium, calcium and the B-12/folate/(choline or

TMG) mixture that jacks up methylation. or SAMe if you don't mind the

cost or the B-12 etc doesn't work.

Acupuncture or equivalent herbs are very helpful for some people.

NAET and TBM treatments have been discussed on list and are pretty

helpful.

Eating locally produced honey year round is supposed to reduce pollen

sensitivity.

And of course if you wash the kid and clothes a lot, keep the windows

closed and run an air filter you get rid of a lot of allergy problems

by getting rid of the allergens.

Also, people with extreme and variable allergy problems really ought

to check their plasma cysteine level.

Andy

> > I wonder if he isn't getting mercury in our allergy shots too

> that we

> > take? mmmmm.

> >

> >

> > I don't think most allergy shots contain mercury, but its

> always

> > wise to ask. but why are you taking allergy shots when you have

> limited

> > income?? I had allergy shots which didn't help much and I've

> never

> > seen any evidence that many are helped much by allergy shots. But

> after

> > I dealt with my mercury problem, my lifetime chronic dust and

mold

> > allergies just went away. with allergies I think its mostly a

big

> > chronic toxicity/immune reactivity problem that overwhelms the

> immune

> > system so it can't deal even with the little stuff. and people

waste

> > their time and money trying to deal with the litttle stuff that

> isn't

> > really the basic problem; Unload the immune system and it can

take

> > care of the little stuff. so the big question I think is what is

the

> > big

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Those are good suggestions, thank you. Nate is now having problems

with asthismines..he gets hyper. Have tried all the rx for allergies

and he has had bad recations to them all in one way or another. He

can't take steriods as he will throw up so I am afraid to try the

inhaled up the nose kind...lol. The shots we take have a low dose of

what we are allergic too to built up our immune system. Nate is

also sentive to red dye 40 though wasn't tested for that but I see an

immetate behavioral change if he has something with it in it...but I

have noticed he is getting less sentive to the red dye 40 which is

good. We both can't stand 'smelly prefumy' things like in laundry

soap, fabic softener, ect.

I also got sick in the grocery store once when I was checking out and

a lady got in line behind me...she smelled like she bathed in

prefum...I could smell that and hair spray and even smelled her

makeup..I was just about to start gaggin it was so overwhelming. I

got out of there fast. Another time I was going down the ale in the

store where they carried soaps, shampoos, bath stuff and Nate started

carrying on..I am going to be sick! I asked him what was wrong and

he said I can't stand that smell mom, I am getting sick! So I think

he is worse then I am.

What is plasma cysteien level? We do the vitamins to like you

listed. Thanks.

> > > I wonder if he isn't getting mercury in our allergy shots too

> > that we

> > > take? mmmmm.

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't think most allergy shots contain mercury, but its

> > always

> > > wise to ask. but why are you taking allergy shots when you

have

> > limited

> > > income?? I had allergy shots which didn't help much and I've

> > never

> > > seen any evidence that many are helped much by allergy shots.

But

> > after

> > > I dealt with my mercury problem, my lifetime chronic dust and

> mold

> > > allergies just went away. with allergies I think its mostly

a

> big

> > > chronic toxicity/immune reactivity problem that overwhelms the

> > immune

> > > system so it can't deal even with the little stuff. and people

> waste

> > > their time and money trying to deal with the litttle stuff

that

> > isn't

> > > really the basic problem; Unload the immune system and it can

> take

> > > care of the little stuff. so the big question I think is what

is

> the

> > > big

[Guest guest]

Sometimes high phenol preservatives are used for allergy shots. I've heard

of them causing problems for other people, too.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

I think it depends on the type of allergist. Traditional or Environmental.

Our beginning into the immune side of these disorders began with

Environmental Medicine. My son was on a rotation diet, nystatin or AmpB,

and had the shots for about two years. (no phenol) Although it's what

convinced me the problem was medical, he was still reactive to so many

things that I couldn't control. The treatment did clear up his life-long

problem with eczema. That has never come back. We just never had day to

day stability. We stopped treatment after he developed the OCD on top of

the original problems. I spent a couple more years looking for an effective

treatment, then we found out about Dr. G.

Cheryl

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From: googahly@...

Reply-

Subject: Re: Allergy shots

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:17:10 EDT

Sometimes high phenol preservatives are used for allergy shots. I've heard

of them causing problems for other people, too.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

,

What you could be reacting to are the chemicals that they use when they manufacture allergy shots. Most MD's do not test for chemicals and do not see them as a problem. However, if you are chemically sensitive (and most people are) the shots could compromise your immune system.

You could see a chiroprator or naturopath who does muscle testing for allergies and could start you on a holistic allergy elimination program OR check out the Bioset website at bioset-institute.com for more information on natural approaches to allergy treatment. I have gone through their treatments and my quality of life has improved tremendously! (they treat all symtoms including headaches, body aches, rashes, digestive problems, mood disturbances, etc.).

[Guest guest]

> You could see a chiroprator or naturopath who

> does muscle testing for allergies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_medicine

[Guest guest]

,Thanks, I will check it out."beckacriss@..." <beckacriss@...> wrote: , What you could be reacting to are the chemicals that they use when they manufacture allergy shots. Most MD's do not test for chemicals and do not see them as a problem. However, if you are chemically sensitive (and most people are) the shots could compromise your immune system. You could see a chiroprator or naturopath who does muscle testing for allergies and could start you on a holistic allergy elimination program OR check out the Bioset website at bioset-institute.com for more information on natural approaches to allergy treatment. I have gone through their treatments and my quality of life has improved tremendously! (they treat all symtoms including headaches, body

aches, rashes, digestive problems, mood disturbances, etc.).

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[Guest guest]

I agree.  Some of us have systems that react where others wouldn't.  I once

had

an emergency room doctor tell me I couldn't possibly be allergic to Benadryl,

that it was acceptable to everyone's systems.  I advised him to tell that to

the

doctor who had to treat me for anaphalactic shock/dear-death reaction to

Benadryl given to me for a rash after a round of penicillin.  There are no

blanket treatments; many of us react to widely accepted and effective

treatments.  I fear medicines myself, as the traditional medical interventions

have caused sometimes more severe reactions than the symptoms of disease

themselves.  I think we have to keep in mind that this group is probably

populated by folks who have sensitive, heightened responses.  One study I read

indicated that folks who have MCS actually have a more highly evolved brain than

those who do not, an area of the limbic system that has developed increased

abilities to detect poison/smells that are toxic to us.  I like that; we're not

" crazy " or " sick " ; we're a highly evolved new species, eh?  Hee...

sally

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From: Madeska <madeskv@...>

Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:39:16 PM

Subject: [] allergy shots

 

Hi All,

I have had allergy shots twice to see if they would help. One time was at the

beginning of this in the 1980's. I didn't do well with the shots and I never

progressed they way that you are supposed to from twice a week to once a week

and so on. I was always getting upper respiratory infections and worsening

asthma. I had changed doctors some years later and the new doctor kept urging me

to try shots again since I was still having illnesses from the building. I

finally said ok and went to a different allergist. He assured me that he knew

the way the other allergist worked and that he did things differently, he

thought he could help me. I had the shots for a few months and I did manage to

get to once a week. Then all h & ll broke loose. I had a severe reaction that

attacked me neurologically and I was out on disability for 12 weeks. I couldn't

walk, had ataxia, vertigo, basically sat in a chair or laid in bed. Acupuncture

was the only thing that helped me get back to being able to move around. I still

have damage- I fall a lot. Please be extremely careful if you try shots. I am

not telling anyone they shouldn't try them just be careful. I would hate to see

anyone else suffer like I did.

I also seem to have the bad genes as well as extreme mold allergy. The second

allergist said I reacted more to more different molds than anyone he had ever

seen. I told him it was because I basically worked in a virtual petri plate -

the sick building.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

Geez, I'm sorry to hear about your exposures and your horrible illness. I am

dealing with this now--vertigo all day every day, fainting (fainted today,

luckily grabbed the counter on the way down), in addition to chronic sinusitis,

fluid in ears, etc. I either lay down or sit in a chair all day, too. My husband

isn't sick, but my cat is. I know I should run, am considering camping for a few

months, but I'm scared to and am not sure I am safe to drive. I don't have

anywhere to go, no one to stay with for more than a week.

Are you doing better these days? Did you change jobs or was there cleanup

eventually in your building?

On Aug 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Madeska <madeskv@...> wrote:

Hi All,

I have had allergy shots twice to see if they would help. One time was at the

beginning of this in the 1980's. I didn't do well with the shots and I never

progressed they way that you are supposed to from twice a week to once a week

and so on. I was always getting upper respiratory infections and worsening

asthma. I had changed doctors some years later and the new doctor kept urging me

to try shots again since I was still having illnesses from the building. I

finally said ok and went to a different allergist. He assured me that he knew

the way the other allergist worked and that he did things differently, he

thought he could help me. I had the shots for a few months and I did manage to

get to once a week. Then all h & ll broke loose. I had a severe reaction that

attacked me neurologically and I was out on disability for 12 weeks. I couldn't

walk, had ataxia, vertigo, basically sat in a chair or laid in bed. Acupuncture

was the only thing that helped me get back to being able to move around. I still

have damage- I fall a lot. Please be extremely careful if you try shots. I am

not telling anyone they shouldn't try them just be careful. I would hate to see

anyone else suffer like I did.

I also seem to have the bad genes as well as extreme mold allergy. The second

allergist said I reacted more to more different molds than anyone he had ever

seen. I told him it was because I basically worked in a virtual petri plate -

the sick building.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

Do you happen to have O blood type? I'm curious if Os tend to be more

susceptible to WDBs.

Great comments! I always caution babysteps with all changes someone decides

to make, a healing crisis or herxheimer effect is no fun either!

Jeri

On Aug 20, 2010 10:51 PM, " Madeska " <madeskv@...> wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I have had allergy shots twice to see if they would help. One time was at

the

> beginning of this in the 1980's. I didn't do well with the shots and I

never

> progressed

[Guest guest]

Can someone direct me to a site where a layperson could understand what a

" herxheimer effect " is?  Thanks, sally

_______________________________

From: Jeri Zerr <jerizerr@...>

Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 7:47:23 AM

Subject: Re: [] allergy shots

 

Do you happen to have O blood type? I'm curious if Os tend to be more

susceptible to WDBs.

Great comments! I always caution babysteps with all changes someone decides

to make, a healing crisis or herxheimer effect is no fun either!

Jeri

On Aug 20, 2010 10:51 PM, " Madeska " <madeskv@...> wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I have had allergy shots twice to see if they would help. One time was at

the

> beginning of this in the 1980's. I didn't do well with the shots and I

never

> progressed

[Guest guest]

if you put it in your home page search engine it should bring up some

info. it is basicly a reaction caused by some detoxing methods,

a high release of toxins, that can make you fell really bad before felling

better.

>

> Can someone direct me to a site where a layperson could understand what a

> " herxheimer effect " is?  Thanks, sally

>

> _______________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the simple explanation.  So appreciated!  sally

________________________________

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 12:25:17 PM

Subject: [] Re: allergy shots

 

if you put it in your home page search engine it should bring up some

info. it is basicly a reaction caused by some detoxing methods,

a high release of toxins, that can make you fell really bad before felling

better.

>

> Can someone direct me to a site where a layperson could understand what a

> " herxheimer effect " is?  Thanks, sally

>

[Guest guest]

your welcome Sally, also I think some have reported antifungals can cause this

reaction too with dieoff.

>

> Thanks so much for the simple explanation.  So appreciated!  sally

> ________________________________

> From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

>

> Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 12:25:17 PM

> Subject: [] Re: allergy shots

>

>  

> if you put it in your home page search engine it should bring up some

> info. it is basicly a reaction caused by some detoxing methods,

> a high release of toxins, that can make you fell really bad before felling

> better.

>

>

[Guest guest]

HERXHEIMER REACTIONS

Nystatin and the caprylic acid products are deadly to

candida

..

Depending on the severity of

candida

overgrowth and the

amount of the agents taken, the

candida

can be killed off

in vast numbers in a very short period of time. As they are killed,

they release substances which are toxic to the body. If this process

occurs more quickly than the toxins can be cleared from the bloodstream

and eliminated by the body, a temporary toxic or allergic-type

reaction can occur. The technical name for this experience is

a

Herxheimer reaction

; it is more commonly referred to

as

" die off. "

Usually die off lasts only a few hours, though it can last several

days. It can usually be controlled almost entirely by the amount

of ingestion of the agent and the rate or frequency it is taken.

Signs of Herxheimer reaction can be many and varied but generally

involve such discomfort as

aching, bloating, dizzines, nausea, and overall

" goopy sick " feeling, or a worsening of original symptoms.

Fortunately, die off is generally short in duration, and although

uncomfortable, is at least a confirmation of the presence of

candida

and that something " good " is happening.

Exercise as well as insuring proper, daily bowel evacuation has

been reported as being helpful in countering the adversities of

die off. Maintaining a high daily intake of pure water is also important

to keep the channels of elimination open.

-- On Sat, 8/21/10, osisposis <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

From: osisposis <jeaninem660@...>

Subject: [] Re: allergy shots

Date:

Saturday, August 21, 2010, 2:25 PM

if you put it in your home page search engine it should bring up some

info. it is basicly a reaction caused by some detoxing methods,

a high release of toxins, that can make you fell really bad before felling

better.