Re: Moria / Andy: Adult Amalgam Illness Questions

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I'm not sure why this is directed to me, but I would be happy

to comment on your questions.

>

> My wife appears to be a textbook case of mercury poisoning. We

have

> just recently reached this conclusion after several years of a

> personal " health quest " journey. I guess we have followed the

> classic pattern of dissappointment with mainstream medicine,

> switching to alternative medicine with some progress but with

> skepticism and many reservations, and finally coming across Andy

> Cutler's book on Amalgam Illness.

>

> We intend to remove 's amalgam fillings soon, then to chelate

> using Andy's protocol (probably with DMSA initially, then ALA +

> DMSA).

>

> Her symptomology strongly indicates mercury poisoning as per Andy

> Cutler's diagnostic checklist. The various lab tests we have done

> thus far are ambiguous, but we now understand that that's typical

of

> mercury poisoning. Symptoms include chronic fatigue, anxiety,

> depression, digestive problems, and sensitivities to almost all

> foods and supplements such that she needs to rotate these on a 4

day

> rotation diet. Additionally she tends to be borderline in several

> areas including hypoglycemia and lowish thyroid levels (but still

> technically " normal " ). Note that her chronic fatigue is much

> improved now after 2 years of alternative medicine treatments for

> adrenal insufficiency.

>

> She has had 2 hair tests, neither of which were from Doctors

Data.

> We believe that both of these tests show abnormal mineral

transport

> based on Andy's counting rules, although the mathematical basis

for

> these rules needs to be re-applied to these tests (since they do

not

> involve 23 elements as the Doctors Data tests do).

>

> Specifically, her hair test by Analytical Research Labs in

November

> 2001 showed 2 out of 15 essential and other elements to be above

the

> 50% level. This test also showed very high Aluminum, and very low

> levels of all other toxic elements.

>

> And her hair test in October 2004 by Trace Elements, Inc showed 6

> out of 29 essential and other elements to be above the 50% level.

> This test also showed very high Nickel but very low levels for all

> toxic elements.

>

> Incidentally, both tests indicated near-normal Calcium and very

low

> Lithium.

>

> OUR QUESTIONS:

>

> 1) Is this forum an appropriate place for us to post these and

> future questions? I ask because we are certainly not dealing with

> autism, but we would like to get the best input possible for

> treating an adult for amalgam illness.

Well, I think it is fine, and others may have other opinions.

There are a number of adult chelators who are not working with

kids on the list (including me. I'm no longer chelating, but

was, and have never chelated a kid.) There are also quite a

number who are treating BOTH adult(s) and kid(s), I think.

Andy occassionally tells adults to write to him at

frequent-dose-chelation/

I haven't really seen any problems or objections about adults

who are ill or seeking help posting here.

>

> 2) Can you confirm that these hair test results meet the counting

> rules to suggest a high likelihood of abnormal mineral transport,

> and hence mercury poisoning?

I would say that it sounds to me like you understand the

premise. I would generally say I think your conclusions

are " reasonable " , however, I would not really want to say

any more than that. If money is not a big limitation, you

could order a test from DDI of course. (You can do this

without a doctor's help, BTW, in case you don't know

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html )

However, obviously, money may be a factor.

Other than the number of elements tested for (which, as

I said, you seem to understand), I'm not sure about which

labs are most trustworthy in their testing. DDI is, but

I don't know on all the others.

>

> 3) Do you have any reason to distrust the results from these two

> labs?

see comment above

BTW, others may know a lot more about this--- I'm sure Mark

Schauss and/or Andy knows a lot about this, and probably others

reading also. (I'm not saying it isn't known, just that I don't

know.)

>

> 4) Before we proceed with amalgam removal and chelation we intend

to

> order the following tests: the Comprehensive Liver Detoxification

> Profile from Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, and the 24-hour

> Fractionated Urine Porphyrin Test from Metametrix. Do you suggest

> any other tests that may be important to do BEFORE treatments?

You can do a plasma cysteine if you want, it is helpful but

not " necessary " to chelate. You can read about it in the

section about sulfur and thiols:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

In a way it is not really related to chelation--- except in

that many mercury toxic people are high or low sulfur.

DDI hair test if you wish.

> Thank you so much for your input!

you're welcome.

> Kelley

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

You are going the right way.

A year or so ago I was at the point you are now.

I went in the direction you are exploring; I removed the amalgams, followed

Andy's protocol, composed my own supplementation program based in part on

Andy's recommendations, changed my diet, and I am now getting better

steadily. Amazingly better.

I suspect if you continue going the way you are going, your wife will have

a similar recovery.

I used DMPS rather than DMSA. Not sure how relevant that is.

In regard to your question 1: As I understand it this forum welcomes posts

from people who are not autistic. Whether you post or just read, this forum

is surely the essential resource for people seeking to understand how to

remove mercury toxicity safely and effectively. I think this IS the place

to get the " best input possible for treating an adult for amalgam illness " .

Assuredly there are other good resources on the net, but I don't fully

trust 'mercury experts' who claim to have studied the subject and then say

" Andy who? " when I ask them what they think of Andy Cutler's work.

Jack.

At 07:39 AM 28/12/2004, garypkelley wrote:

>My wife appears to be a textbook case of mercury poisoning. We have

>just recently reached this conclusion after several years of a

>personal " health quest " journey. I guess we have followed the

>classic pattern of dissappointment with mainstream medicine,

>switching to alternative medicine with some progress but with

>skepticism and many reservations, and finally coming across Andy

>Cutler's book on Amalgam Illness.

>

>We intend to remove 's amalgam fillings soon, then to chelate

>using Andy's protocol (probably with DMSA initially, then ALA +

>DMSA).

>

>Her symptomology strongly indicates mercury poisoning as per Andy

>Cutler's diagnostic checklist. The various lab tests we have done

>thus far are ambiguous, but we now understand that that's typical of

>mercury poisoning. Symptoms include chronic fatigue, anxiety,

>depression, digestive problems, and sensitivities to almost all

>foods and supplements such that she needs to rotate these on a 4 day

>rotation diet. Additionally she tends to be borderline in several

>areas including hypoglycemia and lowish thyroid levels (but still

>technically " normal " ). Note that her chronic fatigue is much

>improved now after 2 years of alternative medicine treatments for

>adrenal insufficiency.

>

>She has had 2 hair tests, neither of which were from Doctors Data.

>We believe that both of these tests show abnormal mineral transport

>based on Andy's counting rules, although the mathematical basis for

>these rules needs to be re-applied to these tests (since they do not

>involve 23 elements as the Doctors Data tests do).

>

>Specifically, her hair test by Analytical Research Labs in November

>2001 showed 2 out of 15 essential and other elements to be above the

>50% level. This test also showed very high Aluminum, and very low

>levels of all other toxic elements.

>

>And her hair test in October 2004 by Trace Elements, Inc showed 6

>out of 29 essential and other elements to be above the 50% level.

>This test also showed very high Nickel but very low levels for all

>toxic elements.

>

>Incidentally, both tests indicated near-normal Calcium and very low

>Lithium.

>

>OUR QUESTIONS:

>

>1) Is this forum an appropriate place for us to post these and

>future questions? I ask because we are certainly not dealing with

>autism, but we would like to get the best input possible for

>treating an adult for amalgam illness.

>

>2) Can you confirm that these hair test results meet the counting

>rules to suggest a high likelihood of abnormal mineral transport,

>and hence mercury poisoning?

>

>3) Do you have any reason to distrust the results from these two

>labs?

>

>4) Before we proceed with amalgam removal and chelation we intend to

>order the following tests: the Comprehensive Liver Detoxification

>Profile from Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, and the 24-hour

>Fractionated Urine Porphyrin Test from Metametrix. Do you suggest

>any other tests that may be important to do BEFORE treatments?

>

>

>Thank you so much for your input!

> Kelley

>

[Guest guest]

Jack,

This is speaking. Mainly at the moment I'd just like to say a

big THANK YOU for responding to 's questions. It is sooooo

refreshing (understatement) to have not only come upon Andy's book

and knowledge of things but to also have come across people like you

who have been there and can relate!

Quick question: Did you have food allergies to every single thing

you put in your mouth as I have? I.e., did you have to rotate foods

and even supplements every four days to be able to eat or take

anything? I've gathered that I might be one of a minority in that

predicament, and if you've by chance been there I'd be encouraged to

know that and to hear of any input you have about that situation --

strategies you used, etc. For example, I've had debilitating

depression but have had a hard time dealing with it because I can't

take any drug or supplement on a daily basis or I get sensititized to

it and begin having intolerable reactions. Have you been there? If

so, has the food sensitivity issue begun to go away for you?

Thanks again for taking the time to respond in the first place. Best

wishes to you for continued success!

>

> >My wife appears to be a textbook case of mercury poisoning. We

have

> >just recently reached this conclusion after several years of a

> >personal " health quest " journey. I guess we have followed the

> >classic pattern of dissappointment with mainstream medicine,

> >switching to alternative medicine with some progress but with

> >skepticism and many reservations, and finally coming across Andy

> >Cutler's book on Amalgam Illness.

> >

> >We intend to remove 's amalgam fillings soon, then to chelate

> >using Andy's protocol (probably with DMSA initially, then ALA +

> >DMSA).

> >

> >Her symptomology strongly indicates mercury poisoning as per Andy

> >Cutler's diagnostic checklist. The various lab tests we have done

> >thus far are ambiguous, but we now understand that that's typical

of

> >mercury poisoning. Symptoms include chronic fatigue, anxiety,

> >depression, digestive problems, and sensitivities to almost all

> >foods and supplements such that she needs to rotate these on a 4

day

> >rotation diet. Additionally she tends to be borderline in several

> >areas including hypoglycemia and lowish thyroid levels (but still

> >technically " normal " ). Note that her chronic fatigue is much

> >improved now after 2 years of alternative medicine treatments for

> >adrenal insufficiency.

> >

> >She has had 2 hair tests, neither of which were from Doctors Data.

> >We believe that both of these tests show abnormal mineral transport

> >based on Andy's counting rules, although the mathematical basis for

> >these rules needs to be re-applied to these tests (since they do

not

> >involve 23 elements as the Doctors Data tests do).

> >

> >Specifically, her hair test by Analytical Research Labs in November

> >2001 showed 2 out of 15 essential and other elements to be above

the

> >50% level. This test also showed very high Aluminum, and very low

> >levels of all other toxic elements.

> >

> >And her hair test in October 2004 by Trace Elements, Inc showed 6

> >out of 29 essential and other elements to be above the 50% level.

> >This test also showed very high Nickel but very low levels for all

> >toxic elements.

> >

> >Incidentally, both tests indicated near-normal Calcium and very low

> >Lithium.

> >

> >OUR QUESTIONS:

> >

> >1) Is this forum an appropriate place for us to post these and

> >future questions? I ask because we are certainly not dealing with

> >autism, but we would like to get the best input possible for

> >treating an adult for amalgam illness.

> >

> >2) Can you confirm that these hair test results meet the counting

> >rules to suggest a high likelihood of abnormal mineral transport,

> >and hence mercury poisoning?

> >

> >3) Do you have any reason to distrust the results from these two

> >labs?

> >

> >4) Before we proceed with amalgam removal and chelation we intend

to

> >order the following tests: the Comprehensive Liver Detoxification

> >Profile from Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, and the 24-hour

> >Fractionated Urine Porphyrin Test from Metametrix. Do you suggest

> >any other tests that may be important to do BEFORE treatments?

> >

> >

> >Thank you so much for your input!

> > Kelley

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Moria,

This is speaking. For the moment I'd just like to say thank

you so much for taking the time to respond to 's questions. We

are new to this site... new to the mercury poisoning angle and so

thankful for what we've found. Anyway, FYI, the reason directed

his questions to you is that after becoming aquainted with the site

he picked up on the fact that you seem particularly in tune with Andy

Cutler's approach. We would, however, always welcome input from

anyone with information to share. We are thankful for the helpful

and caring community we've found on this site. We are touched to

read about what others are going through and keep them in our

hearts. Thanks again for your help.

>

> Hello ,

>

> I'm not sure why this is directed to me, but I would be happy

> to comment on your questions.

>

> >

> > My wife appears to be a textbook case of mercury poisoning. We

> have

> > just recently reached this conclusion after several years of a

> > personal " health quest " journey. I guess we have followed the

> > classic pattern of dissappointment with mainstream medicine,

> > switching to alternative medicine with some progress but with

> > skepticism and many reservations, and finally coming across Andy

> > Cutler's book on Amalgam Illness.

> >

> > We intend to remove 's amalgam fillings soon, then to

chelate

> > using Andy's protocol (probably with DMSA initially, then ALA +

> > DMSA).

> >

> > Her symptomology strongly indicates mercury poisoning as per Andy

> > Cutler's diagnostic checklist. The various lab tests we have

done

> > thus far are ambiguous, but we now understand that that's typical

> of

> > mercury poisoning. Symptoms include chronic fatigue, anxiety,

> > depression, digestive problems, and sensitivities to almost all

> > foods and supplements such that she needs to rotate these on a 4

> day

> > rotation diet. Additionally she tends to be borderline in

several

> > areas including hypoglycemia and lowish thyroid levels (but still

> > technically " normal " ). Note that her chronic fatigue is much

> > improved now after 2 years of alternative medicine treatments for

> > adrenal insufficiency.

> >

> > She has had 2 hair tests, neither of which were from Doctors

> Data.

> > We believe that both of these tests show abnormal mineral

> transport

> > based on Andy's counting rules, although the mathematical basis

> for

> > these rules needs to be re-applied to these tests (since they do

> not

> > involve 23 elements as the Doctors Data tests do).

> >

> > Specifically, her hair test by Analytical Research Labs in

> November

> > 2001 showed 2 out of 15 essential and other elements to be above

> the

> > 50% level. This test also showed very high Aluminum, and very

low

> > levels of all other toxic elements.

> >

> > And her hair test in October 2004 by Trace Elements, Inc showed 6

> > out of 29 essential and other elements to be above the 50%

level.

> > This test also showed very high Nickel but very low levels for

all

> > toxic elements.

> >

> > Incidentally, both tests indicated near-normal Calcium and very

> low

> > Lithium.

> >

> > OUR QUESTIONS:

> >

> > 1) Is this forum an appropriate place for us to post these and

> > future questions? I ask because we are certainly not dealing

with

> > autism, but we would like to get the best input possible for

> > treating an adult for amalgam illness.

>

> Well, I think it is fine, and others may have other opinions.

> There are a number of adult chelators who are not working with

> kids on the list (including me. I'm no longer chelating, but

> was, and have never chelated a kid.) There are also quite a

> number who are treating BOTH adult(s) and kid(s), I think.

> Andy occassionally tells adults to write to him at

> frequent-dose-chelation/

> I haven't really seen any problems or objections about adults

> who are ill or seeking help posting here.

>

> >

> > 2) Can you confirm that these hair test results meet the counting

> > rules to suggest a high likelihood of abnormal mineral transport,

> > and hence mercury poisoning?

>

> I would say that it sounds to me like you understand the

> premise. I would generally say I think your conclusions

> are " reasonable " , however, I would not really want to say

> any more than that. If money is not a big limitation, you

> could order a test from DDI of course. (You can do this

> without a doctor's help, BTW, in case you don't know

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html )

> However, obviously, money may be a factor.

> Other than the number of elements tested for (which, as

> I said, you seem to understand), I'm not sure about which

> labs are most trustworthy in their testing. DDI is, but

> I don't know on all the others.

>

> >

> > 3) Do you have any reason to distrust the results from these two

> > labs?

>

> see comment above

> BTW, others may know a lot more about this--- I'm sure Mark

> Schauss and/or Andy knows a lot about this, and probably others

> reading also. (I'm not saying it isn't known, just that I don't

> know.)

>

> >

> > 4) Before we proceed with amalgam removal and chelation we intend

> to

> > order the following tests: the Comprehensive Liver

Detoxification

> > Profile from Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, and the 24-hour

> > Fractionated Urine Porphyrin Test from Metametrix. Do you

suggest

> > any other tests that may be important to do BEFORE treatments?

>

> You can do a plasma cysteine if you want, it is helpful but

> not " necessary " to chelate. You can read about it in the

> section about sulfur and thiols:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

> In a way it is not really related to chelation--- except in

> that many mercury toxic people are high or low sulfur.

>

> DDI hair test if you wish.

>

> > Thank you so much for your input!

>

> you're welcome.

>

> > Kelley

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > I'm not sure why this is directed to me, but I would be happy

> > to comment on your questions.

> >

> > >

> > > My wife appears to be a textbook case of mercury poisoning.

We

> > have

> > > just recently reached this conclusion after several years of a

> > > personal " health quest " journey. I guess we have followed the

> > > classic pattern of dissappointment with mainstream medicine,

> > > switching to alternative medicine with some progress but with

> > > skepticism and many reservations, and finally coming across

Andy

> > > Cutler's book on Amalgam Illness.

> > >

> > > We intend to remove 's amalgam fillings soon, then to

> chelate

> > > using Andy's protocol (probably with DMSA initially, then ALA

+

> > > DMSA).

> > >

> > > Her symptomology strongly indicates mercury poisoning as per

Andy

> > > Cutler's diagnostic checklist. The various lab tests we have

> done

> > > thus far are ambiguous, but we now understand that that's

typical

> > of

> > > mercury poisoning. Symptoms include chronic fatigue, anxiety,

> > > depression, digestive problems, and sensitivities to almost

all

> > > foods and supplements such that she needs to rotate these on a

4

> > day

> > > rotation diet. Additionally she tends to be borderline in

> several

> > > areas including hypoglycemia and lowish thyroid levels (but

still

> > > technically " normal " ). Note that her chronic fatigue is much

> > > improved now after 2 years of alternative medicine treatments

for

> > > adrenal insufficiency.

> > >

> > > She has had 2 hair tests, neither of which were from Doctors

> > Data.

> > > We believe that both of these tests show abnormal mineral

> > transport

> > > based on Andy's counting rules, although the mathematical

basis

> > for

> > > these rules needs to be re-applied to these tests (since they

do

> > not

> > > involve 23 elements as the Doctors Data tests do).

> > >

> > > Specifically, her hair test by Analytical Research Labs in

> > November

> > > 2001 showed 2 out of 15 essential and other elements to be

above

> > the

> > > 50% level. This test also showed very high Aluminum, and very

> low

> > > levels of all other toxic elements.

> > >

> > > And her hair test in October 2004 by Trace Elements, Inc

showed 6

> > > out of 29 essential and other elements to be above the 50%

> level.

> > > This test also showed very high Nickel but very low levels for

> all

> > > toxic elements.

> > >

> > > Incidentally, both tests indicated near-normal Calcium and

very

> > low

> > > Lithium.

> > >

> > > OUR QUESTIONS:

> > >

> > > 1) Is this forum an appropriate place for us to post these and

> > > future questions? I ask because we are certainly not dealing

> with

> > > autism, but we would like to get the best input possible for

> > > treating an adult for amalgam illness.

> >

> > Well, I think it is fine, and others may have other opinions.

> > There are a number of adult chelators who are not working with

> > kids on the list (including me. I'm no longer chelating, but

> > was, and have never chelated a kid.) There are also quite a

> > number who are treating BOTH adult(s) and kid(s), I think.

> > Andy occassionally tells adults to write to him at

> > frequent-dose-chelation/

> > I haven't really seen any problems or objections about adults

> > who are ill or seeking help posting here.

> >

> > >

> > > 2) Can you confirm that these hair test results meet the

counting

> > > rules to suggest a high likelihood of abnormal mineral

transport,

> > > and hence mercury poisoning?

> >

> > I would say that it sounds to me like you understand the

> > premise. I would generally say I think your conclusions

> > are " reasonable " , however, I would not really want to say

> > any more than that. If money is not a big limitation, you

> > could order a test from DDI of course. (You can do this

> > without a doctor's help, BTW, in case you don't know

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html )

> > However, obviously, money may be a factor.

> > Other than the number of elements tested for (which, as

> > I said, you seem to understand), I'm not sure about which

> > labs are most trustworthy in their testing. DDI is, but

> > I don't know on all the others.

> >

> > >

> > > 3) Do you have any reason to distrust the results from these

two

> > > labs?

> >

> > see comment above

> > BTW, others may know a lot more about this--- I'm sure Mark

> > Schauss and/or Andy knows a lot about this, and probably others

> > reading also. (I'm not saying it isn't known, just that I don't

> > know.)

> >

> > >

> > > 4) Before we proceed with amalgam removal and chelation we

intend

> > to

> > > order the following tests: the Comprehensive Liver

> Detoxification

> > > Profile from Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab, and the 24-hour

> > > Fractionated Urine Porphyrin Test from Metametrix. Do you

> suggest

> > > any other tests that may be important to do BEFORE treatments?

> >

> > You can do a plasma cysteine if you want, it is helpful but

> > not " necessary " to chelate. You can read about it in the

> > section about sulfur and thiols:

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

> > In a way it is not really related to chelation--- except in

> > that many mercury toxic people are high or low sulfur.

> >

> > DDI hair test if you wish.

> >

> > > Thank you so much for your input!

> >

> > you're welcome.

> >

> > > Kelley

> >

> > good wishes,

> > Moria