Re: Awful die off??

[Guest guest]

,

This is die off!

Here are some tips:

Activated Charcoal for a brief time.Do not take it during meal times.

Some have found that epsom salts baths can also relieve some sypmtoms

of die-off. Here is a saved message regarding this:

Start with 1 cup of salts in waist deep water and soak for at least

20 minutes. If this is tolerated go up to 2 cups of salts per bath. If

it is not well tolerated (hyperness, irritability, whining), cut the

dose to 1/2 a cup. or less until you get to a point it is tolerated.

Mimi

> I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very

> tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt so

> shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, and

> my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took the

> whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, I've

> slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really foggy

> in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better.

>

> Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what?

>

>

> 34, Celiac, day three of SCD

>

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> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

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>

>

[Guest guest]

,

There is no way we could know whether this could be hypoglycemia. If one is

following SCD as prescribed in the book, you should not have hypoglycemia,

because there are plenty of carbs allowed.

If you tend to have a problem with hypoglycemia, or have some other reason to

think you have it, you may need to talk to your doctor.

Are you modifying SCD and eating mostly protein, very low carb?

Die-off symptoms can be awful. Taking activated charcoal capsules can help

absorb the toxins. Epsom salts baths also help.

Patti

Awful die off??

I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very

tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt so

shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse, and

my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took the

whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that, I've

slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really foggy

in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better.

Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what?

34, Celiac, day three of SCD

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[Guest guest]

>

> By the way....

>

> I'm only eating meat and eggs up until about ten minutes ago. I wanted to go

> two days with things I absolutely knew agreed with me. I added a few slices

> of goat cheese this afternoon, and just now, I ate a tiny bit of grape juice

> jello. Hopefully that will help with the energy.

>

> ~

>

>

You could be exoeriencing ketosis. Why aren't you eating other things on the

Intro Diet?

Do not do that diet for more than 3-5 days. usually people do only 2 days.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Patti,

I am only eating meat and eggs, because I don't tolerate a single SCD legal

carb. I did give in today and ate some grape juice jelllo, and blood sugar

wise, i feel better. But the lining of my stomach isn't too happy. Not

terribly upset, but definitely irritated somewhat.

~

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Awful die off??

>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:47:32 -0700

>

>,

>

>There is no way we could know whether this could be hypoglycemia. If one is

>following SCD as prescribed in the book, you should not have hypoglycemia,

>because there are plenty of carbs allowed.

>

>If you tend to have a problem with hypoglycemia, or have some other reason

>to think you have it, you may need to talk to your doctor.

>

>Are you modifying SCD and eating mostly protein, very low carb?

>

>Die-off symptoms can be awful. Taking activated charcoal capsules can help

>absorb the toxins. Epsom salts baths also help.

>

>Patti

> Awful die off??

>

>

> I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and very

> tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I felt

>so

> shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking worse,

>and

> my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It took

>the

> whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After that,

>I've

> slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really

>foggy

> in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better.

>

> Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what?

>

>

> 34, Celiac, day three of SCD

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

To be honest, I don't know if SCD is a good idea for you if you truly can't

tolerate ANY of the fruits or vegetables. You MUST have some source of carbs.

What carbs were you eating before SCD? Grains and potatoes?

Patti

Re: Awful die off??

Patti,

I am only eating meat and eggs, because I don't tolerate a single SCD legal

carb. I did give in today and ate some grape juice jelllo, and blood sugar

wise, i feel better. But the lining of my stomach isn't too happy. Not

terribly upset, but definitely irritated somewhat.

~

[Guest guest]

I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD

carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation!

I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if

someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does

tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or

is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal?

Thanks for helping me through this.

~

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Awful die off??

>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:53:47 -0700

>

>,

>

>To be honest, I don't know if SCD is a good idea for you if you truly can't

>tolerate ANY of the fruits or vegetables. You MUST have some source of

>carbs.

>

>What carbs were you eating before SCD? Grains and potatoes?

>

>Patti

> Re: Awful die off??

>

>

> Patti,

>

> I am only eating meat and eggs, because I don't tolerate a single SCD

>legal

> carb. I did give in today and ate some grape juice jelllo, and blood

>sugar

> wise, i feel better. But the lining of my stomach isn't too happy. Not

> terribly upset, but definitely irritated somewhat.

>

> ~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD

> carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation!

>

> I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if

> someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does

> tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or

> is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal?

>

> Thanks for helping me through this.

>

> ~

>

Bremda,

When I started SCD I had a very compromised immune system. The clothes on my

back

actually hurt me and eating brought pain. Within a few days I was able to eat in

relative

comfort. I could eat eggs and cheese, which I could not touch before. An

allergist had

included rice on my OK list and I had been having quite a bit of it and

attributing

symptoms to the meat it was served with.

Give yourself more time. The bad bacteria are putting up a battle to survive now

that their

starch and sugary favotite foods are denied them.

Carol F,

Celiac, SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

>

> In that case, I will continue with the SCD until I am totally convinced it

> will not work for me. It's the gastroparesis that's messing things up. I'm

> almost positive. My stomach just does not want much at all.

>

> Onward I go, with meat, eggs, a touch of cheese, a touch of bone broth, and

> grape jello. I'll try green beans, cooked, and pureed in a day or so......

>

> Thanks guys. Don't know what I'd do without you!

>

> ~

Wait until you see what you can do WITH us.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only

non SCD

> > carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation!

> >

> > I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me

somewhat. Maybe if

> > someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about

this. Does

> > tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from

the food? Or

> > is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's

legal?

> >

> > Thanks for helping me through this.

> >

> > ~

> >

> Bremda,

> When I started SCD I had a very compromised immune system. The

clothes on my back

> actually hurt me and eating brought pain. Within a few days I was

able to eat in relative

> comfort. I could eat eggs and cheese, which I could not touch

before. An allergist had

> included rice on my OK list and I had been having quite a bit of it

and attributing

> symptoms to the meat it was served with.

>

> Give yourself more time. The bad bacteria are putting up a battle

to survive now that their

> starch and sugary favotite foods are denied them.

>

> Carol F,

> Celiac, SCD 6 years

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Carol,

> I understand what you're saying in your answer to , but I

> often wonder about using too much grape juice, even though it is a

> monosaccharide and not a dissacharride. It's still very sweet, as is

> the honey too. For years I struggled with anxiety and stayed away

> from all sweet things which only added to my being reactive. Now I am

> using the honey and grape juice but wonder if these two be feeding

> the bad bacteria at all?

> Thanks!

>

Ronnie,

I make one recipe that creates four little custard cups of grape gelatin and it

is diluted with

half water and half juice as you need water to dissolve the powdered gelatin. I

sometimes

add grape juice to cooking as I would wine and it gets dilutes into pan juices.

I find it too

sweet as a thirst quenching drink, again, always diluted. There is no defined

amount of

grape juice so use common sense. I also do not overdo juice in geberal as I like

the fiber in

whole fruit. (raisns are my downfall and I only but a few ounces at a time).

Carol F.

Celiac, SCD 6 years

[Guest guest]

Sounds like hypoglycemia did you feel anxious?

>

> I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking, and

very

> tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because I

felt so

> shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking

worse, and

> my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard. It

took the

> whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After

that, I've

> slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still really

foggy

> in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better.

>

> Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what?

>

>

> 34, Celiac, day three of SCD

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

,

At this point, I imagine quite a few foods that are SCD legal are going to cause

you *some* symptoms.... but if the only carbs you've been eating pre-SCD were

corn and sugar, I think you've got so much going on die-off-wise that I'm not

sure you would be able to tell what was die-off and what was " not tolerating " a

food. We are to avoid any foods that cause ANAPHYLACTIC type reactions....

permanently... but you are going to HAVE to include some SCD legal carb

sources, EVEN IF they cause you some slight discomfort.

If necessary, just eat a little tiny bit every two hours. Even ONE BITE of

something like pureed squash or applesauce every two hours would be better than

eating nothing but eggs and meat and a tiny bit of grape jello. You need more

carbs!

PLEASE read the other posts I sent today about yeast, honey and the dangers of

doing a low-carb version of SCD.

Patti

Re: Awful die off??

I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non SCD

carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation!

I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat. Maybe if

someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this. Does

tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the food? Or

is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal?

Thanks for helping me through this.

~

[Guest guest]

>

> Carol and Ronnie,

>

> It was my understanding that ANY SCD legal carb would not feed yeast. That's

> the whole idea of the diet, right??

>

> ~

I am not familiar with this. Elaine advised those with yeast concerns tio be

prudent in the

amount of honey used. legal carbs do not feed bad intestinal bacteria to the

extent that

illegals do.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

Patti,

Kinda funny that I did exactly what you said, RIGHT before reading this

email. :-) I fixed up some pureed green beans and added them to some meat

and cheese that I was eating. I also ate a tiny spoonful of them. I will try

and snack on it every two hours, but my tummy is definitely rebelling. I'm

sure it's the gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). Once it's past my stomach,

I do great. I can tell this diet is GREAT for my intestines, and not so

great for my tummy. They want two different things! It is common for people

with gp to not be able to eat any fiber. :-/

Keep hangin' in there with me! :-)

~

Celiac, 34, day five on SCD

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Awful die off??

>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:28:48 -0700

>

>,

>

>At this point, I imagine quite a few foods that are SCD legal are going to

>cause you *some* symptoms.... but if the only carbs you've been eating

>pre-SCD were corn and sugar, I think you've got so much going on

>die-off-wise that I'm not sure you would be able to tell what was die-off

>and what was " not tolerating " a food. We are to avoid any foods that cause

>ANAPHYLACTIC type reactions.... permanently... but you are going to HAVE

>to include some SCD legal carb sources, EVEN IF they cause you some slight

>discomfort.

>

>If necessary, just eat a little tiny bit every two hours. Even ONE BITE of

>something like pureed squash or applesauce every two hours would be better

>than eating nothing but eggs and meat and a tiny bit of grape jello. You

>need more carbs!

>

>PLEASE read the other posts I sent today about yeast, honey and the dangers

>of doing a low-carb version of SCD.

>

>Patti

> Re: Awful die off??

>

>

> I was eating corn, and small amounts of sugar. Those are the only non

>SCD

> carbs I can tolerate. :-( I know....it's a messed up situation!

>

> I am eating the jello, it's just that it does irritate me somewhat.

>Maybe if

> someone could define " tolerate " for me, I would feel better about this.

>Does

> tolerate mean that you don't have a single bad side effect from the

>food? Or

> is it ok to have just a little bit of irritation as long as it's legal?

>

> Thanks for helping me through this.

>

> ~

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I hope the gastroparesis is something that will improve (??). In the meantime, I

imagine just pureeing any vegetable or fruit you take in would at least get it

past your stomach more quickly, as it would not have to break it down.

I'm wondering if, in your case, it might be better to eat your meat or eggs

separately from the veggies or fruit.... so your stomach does not have to do the

work of breaking down the protein food while the dreaded fiber-laden veggie is

in there?? You might try that.... alternate every two hours... a little meat or

eggs, then two hours later, a few bites of pureed veg.

You might even put your pureed green beans through a mesh strainer/sieve.... to

take any stringy extra-fibrous parts out.

Patti

Re: Awful die off??

Patti,

Kinda funny that I did exactly what you said, RIGHT before reading this

email. :-) I fixed up some pureed green beans and added them to some meat

and cheese that I was eating. I also ate a tiny spoonful of them. I will try

and snack on it every two hours, but my tummy is definitely rebelling. I'm

sure it's the gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). Once it's past my stomach,

I do great. I can tell this diet is GREAT for my intestines, and not so

great for my tummy. They want two different things! It is common for people

with gp to not be able to eat any fiber. :-/

Keep hangin' in there with me! :-)

~

Celiac, 34, day five on SCD

[Guest guest]

Patti,

I am definitely pureeing any veggie I take in (haven't tried fruits yet).

That's a good idea with taking the veggie and the meat and eggs

separately....and I tried that last night. It actually made it worse. ?? Go

figure. Nobody ever said gp made sense! :-) So, for now, what works is to

actually mix it in with the meat. I cooked a big roast last night that had

some fat in it, and I noticed that if the meat has fat, I have a lot better

time digesting the veggie with it. Again, it makes no sense.

I will try the strainer with the green beans, although I'm wondering if any

of it will drain out....and what would be the purpose of that? Seems like it

would be just as good to make green bean juice. :-) My food processor

really didn't get them pureed enough, I don't think. There's still clumps in

it. Maybe my blender is a better option, I don't know. It seems to get it

more like baby food.

Thanks so much for the ideas. I'm always open to new ones!!

~

Celiac, 34, Day six on SCD

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Awful die off??

>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:36:48 -0700

>

>,

>

>I hope the gastroparesis is something that will improve (??). In the

>meantime, I imagine just pureeing any vegetable or fruit you take in would

>at least get it past your stomach more quickly, as it would not have to

>break it down.

>

>I'm wondering if, in your case, it might be better to eat your meat or eggs

>separately from the veggies or fruit.... so your stomach does not have to

>do the work of breaking down the protein food while the dreaded fiber-laden

>veggie is in there?? You might try that.... alternate every two hours... a

>little meat or eggs, then two hours later, a few bites of pureed veg.

>

>You might even put your pureed green beans through a mesh

>strainer/sieve.... to take any stringy extra-fibrous parts out.

>

>Patti

> Re: Awful die off??

>

>

> Patti,

>

> Kinda funny that I did exactly what you said, RIGHT before reading this

> email. :-) I fixed up some pureed green beans and added them to some

>meat

> and cheese that I was eating. I also ate a tiny spoonful of them. I will

>try

> and snack on it every two hours, but my tummy is definitely rebelling.

>I'm

> sure it's the gastroparesis (stomach paralysis). Once it's past my

>stomach,

> I do great. I can tell this diet is GREAT for my intestines, and not so

> great for my tummy. They want two different things! It is common for

>people

> with gp to not be able to eat any fiber. :-/

>

> Keep hangin' in there with me! :-)

>

> ~

> Celiac, 34, day five on SCD

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I guess I meant to sort of press the food through the sieve/strainer... just to

remove the larger, stringier bits, not ALL of the fiber. If you can get a fine

puree with your blender, then great. I use a hand blender which works really

well.

Patti

Re: Awful die off??

Patti,

I am definitely pureeing any veggie I take in (haven't tried fruits yet).

That's a good idea with taking the veggie and the meat and eggs

separately....and I tried that last night. It actually made it worse. ?? Go

figure. Nobody ever said gp made sense! :-) So, for now, what works is to

actually mix it in with the meat. I cooked a big roast last night that had

some fat in it, and I noticed that if the meat has fat, I have a lot better

time digesting the veggie with it. Again, it makes no sense.

I will try the strainer with the green beans, although I'm wondering if any

of it will drain out....and what would be the purpose of that? Seems like it

would be just as good to make green bean juice. :-) My food processor

really didn't get them pureed enough, I don't think. There's still clumps in

it. Maybe my blender is a better option, I don't know. It seems to get it

more like baby food.

Thanks so much for the ideas. I'm always open to new ones!!

~

Celiac, 34, Day six on SCD

[Guest guest]

Oh, ok. That makes more sense. I apologize......die off also means die off

of brain cells, evidently. :-)

Come to think of it, I have a hand blender too. Guess it's time to bring it

out!

~

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Awful die off??

>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:38:18 -0700

>

>I guess I meant to sort of press the food through the sieve/strainer...

>just to remove the larger, stringier bits, not ALL of the fiber. If you can

>get a fine puree with your blender, then great. I use a hand blender which

>works really well.

>

>Patti

> Re: Awful die off??

>

>

> Patti,

>

> I am definitely pureeing any veggie I take in (haven't tried fruits

>yet).

> That's a good idea with taking the veggie and the meat and eggs

> separately....and I tried that last night. It actually made it worse. ??

>Go

> figure. Nobody ever said gp made sense! :-) So, for now, what works is

>to

> actually mix it in with the meat. I cooked a big roast last night that

>had

> some fat in it, and I noticed that if the meat has fat, I have a lot

>better

> time digesting the veggie with it. Again, it makes no sense.

>

> I will try the strainer with the green beans, although I'm wondering if

>any

> of it will drain out....and what would be the purpose of that? Seems

>like it

> would be just as good to make green bean juice. :-) My food processor

> really didn't get them pureed enough, I don't think. There's still

>clumps in

> it. Maybe my blender is a better option, I don't know. It seems to get

>it

> more like baby food.

>

> Thanks so much for the ideas. I'm always open to new ones!!

>

> ~

> Celiac, 34, Day six on SCD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

How are you feeling now? Any better?

I'm celiac too and had very similar symptoms after 3 days on

acidophilus pills (pre-scd). I also am allergic to most vegetables.

Merika

> > I'm on day three here, and woke up this morning dizzy, shaking,

and very

> > tired. I went down to the kitchen and ate a chicken leg because

I felt so

> > shakey. Ten minutes later, I was on the couch sweating, shaking

worse, and

> > my heart beat was up 30 beats a minutes and beating really hard.

It took the

> > whole morning to feel like I could even get in the shower. After

that, I've

> > slowly been getting back to a semi normal feeling. I am still

really foggy

> > in the brain, and tired, but other than that, I am better.

> >

> > Is this die off, hypoglycemia, or what?

> >

> >

> > 34, Celiac, day three of SCD

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> > websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >