Re: Volunteers Needed for Small Clinical Study

May 8, 2007

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Some members of this group are highly LDN-dependent. That is to say,

if

> they miss taking LDN for a day or two, the symptoms of their Crohn's

> disease, MS, or whatever, came roaring back.

>

> I am seeking one or more LDN-dependent group members to participate

in a

> brief experiment.

>

> Dextromethorphan (DM) is a prime ingredient of what is known as " DM

> Cough Syrup, " a liquid cough medicine sold over the counter at most

drug

> stores. Like Naltrexone, DM is also an opioid receptor antagonist.

>

> I have heard (second hand) that some people in a Parkinson's chat

group

> take about 5 mg of DM nightly. There is one member, in particular,

who

> has been on DM for two years and who says his PD has not progressed.

>

> Here are some studies regarding DM:

>

cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & list_uids=12649371 & dopt=Abstract

>

cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & list_uids=15790998 & dopt=Abstract

>

cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & list_uids=15791005 & dopt=Abstract

>

> I have compared numerous brands of DM cough syrup and the one

featured

> here

>

>

> appears to contain the highest concentration of DM with the least

amount

> of undesirable, so-called " inert " ingrediants. A dose of just 1.5 ml

of

> this prepartion yields exactly 4.5 mg of DM. Assuming 1 mg of DM is

> exactly equivalent in action to 1 mg of LDN, one bottle of this cough

> syrup would last 80 days.

>

> What I need is one or more highly LDN-dependent people to try DM

cough

> syrup for a few days in place of their usual dose of LDN to see if

their

> symptoms remain at bay. It is one of those rare clinical trials that

> only involves a few days--not weeks or months--and does not cost

> millions of dollars.

>

> The advantages of DM cough syrup over LDN are that it is far more

> pleasant tasting than liquid LDN, is even cheaper than LDN, and,

perhaps

> most importantly, it empowers people who wish to avoid--or simply

cannot

> afford--the usual medical route.

>

> If--in the interest of science and the thousands, if not millions, of

> people who could benefit from this information--some highly

> LDN-dependent members of this group would like to volunteer for this

> study, please contact me at

>

> cyber_guy_2006@...

>

> Regards,

>

> Cyberguy

===========

This does contain high fructose corn syrup which is not good for

MS'ers and would also promote yeast overgrowth if one already has

candida yeast. So those who are trying to stay away from sugar and

lower candida yeast should not participate but those who are not

concerned with the inactive ingredients of the cough syrup could trial

it.

May 8, 2007

>

> Hi Bren,

>

> How do you know the DM

cough syrup featured at

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & l

>

> contains high fructose

corn syrup?

>

> The list of ingredients

listed at that site

specifically states " no

> fructose " ?

>

> Regards,

>

> Cyberguy

===============

My mistake, scratch my

first response, I was

looking at a different

brand than Scot-tussin.

Thanks for pointing that

out, should be no problem

using then.

May 8, 2007

- Hello cyberguy,

Are you a doctor? It seems that most people, on this forum, take

LDN in capsule form rather than liquid. What kind of medical practice

do you have? Have the Glucks authorized this study?

-- In low dose naltrexone , cyber_guy_2006@... wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Some members of this group are highly LDN-dependent. That is to say,

if

> they miss taking LDN for a day or two, the symptoms of their Crohn's

> disease, MS, or whatever, came roaring back.

>

> I am seeking one or more LDN-dependent group members to participate

in a

> brief experiment.

>

> Dextromethorphan (DM) is a prime ingredient of what is known as " DM

> Cough Syrup, " a liquid cough medicine sold over the counter at most

drug

> stores. Like Naltrexone, DM is also an opioid receptor antagonist.

>

> I have heard (second hand) that some people in a Parkinson's chat

group

> take about 5 mg of DM nightly. There is one member, in particular,

who

> has been on DM for two years and who says his PD has not progressed.

>

> Here are some studies regarding DM:

>

ist_uids=12649371 & dopt=Abstract

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & l

ist_uids=15790998 & dopt=Abstract

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & l

ist_uids=15791005 & dopt=Abstract

>

> I have compared numerous brands of DM cough syrup and the one

featured

> here

>

>

> appears to contain the highest concentration of DM with the least

amount

> of undesirable, so-called " inert " ingrediants. A dose of just 1.5 ml

of

> this prepartion yields exactly 4.5 mg of DM. Assuming 1 mg of DM is

> exactly equivalent in action to 1 mg of LDN, one bottle of this

cough

> syrup would last 80 days.

>

> What I need is one or more highly LDN-dependent people to try DM

cough

> syrup for a few days in place of their usual dose of LDN to see if

their

> symptoms remain at bay. It is one of those rare clinical trials that

> only involves a few days--not weeks or months--and does not cost

> millions of dollars.

>

> The advantages of DM cough syrup over LDN are that it is far more

> pleasant tasting than liquid LDN, is even cheaper than LDN, and,

perhaps

> most importantly, it empowers people who wish to avoid--or simply

cannot

> afford--the usual medical route.

>

> If--in the interest of science and the thousands, if not millions,

of

> people who could benefit from this information--some highly

> LDN-dependent members of this group would like to volunteer for this

> study, please contact me at

>

> cyber_guy_2006@...

>

> Regards,

>

> Cyberguy

>

> http://profiles.

May 8, 2007

Hi ,

As I mentioned in a recent post, I am a registered nurse.

I know that Gluck is aware that DM may be a viable alternative to

LDN. But why would I need authorization from him (or, for that matter,

anyone else) to ask people in this group whether, in their opinion,

non-prescription DM was as effective at controlling their symptoms as

prescription LDN?

Regards,

Cyberguy

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & l

- Hello cyberguy,

Are you a doctor? It seems that most people, on this forum, take

LDN in capsule form rather than liquid. What kind of medical practice

do you have? Have the Glucks authorized this study?

-- In low dose naltrexone , cyber_guy_2006@... wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Some members of this group are highly LDN-dependent. That is to say,

if

> they miss taking LDN for a day or two, the symptoms of their Crohn's

> disease, MS, or whatever, came roaring back.

>

> I am seeking one or more LDN-dependent group members to participate

in a

> brief experiment.

>

> Dextromethorphan (DM) is a prime ingredient of what is known as " DM

> Cough Syrup, " a liquid cough medicine sold over the counter at most

drug

> stores. Like Naltrexone, DM is also an opioid receptor antagonist.

>

> I have heard (second hand) that some people in a Parkinson's chat

group

> take about 5 mg of DM nightly. There is one member, in particular,

who

> has been on DM for two years and who says his PD has not progressed.

>

> Here are some studies regarding DM:

>

ist_uids=12649371 & dopt=Abstract

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & l

ist_uids=15790998 & dopt=Abstract

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & l

ist_uids=15791005 & dopt=Abstract

>

> I have compared numerous brands of DM cough syrup and the one

featured

> here

>

>

> appears to contain the highest concentration of DM with the least

amount

> of undesirable, so-called " inert " ingrediants. A dose of just 1.5 ml

of

> this prepartion yields exactly 4.5 mg of DM. Assuming 1 mg of DM is

> exactly equivalent in action to 1 mg of LDN, one bottle of this

cough

> syrup would last 80 days.

>

> What I need is one or more highly LDN-dependent people to try DM

cough

> syrup for a few days in place of their usual dose of LDN to see if

their

> symptoms remain at bay. It is one of those rare clinical trials that

> only involves a few days--not weeks or months--and does not cost

> millions of dollars.

>

> The advantages of DM cough syrup over LDN are that it is far more

> pleasant tasting than liquid LDN, is even cheaper than LDN, and,

perhaps

> most importantly, it empowers people who wish to avoid--or simply

cannot

> afford--the usual medical route.

>

> If--in the interest of science and the thousands, if not millions,

of

> people who could benefit from this information--some highly

> LDN-dependent members of this group would like to volunteer for this

> study, please contact me at

>

> cyber_guy_2006@...

>

> Regards,

>

> Cyberguy

>

> http://profiles.

May 8, 2007

CYBERGUY - i find this veeeeeery interesting!!

marshiris@...

See what's free at AOL.com.

May 8, 2007

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Some members of this group are highly LDN-dependent. That is to

say, if

> they miss taking LDN for a day or two, the symptoms of their Crohn's

> disease, MS, or whatever, came roaring back.

>

> I am seeking one or more LDN-dependent group members to participate

in a

> brief experiment.

>

> Dextromethorphan (DM) is a prime ingredient of what is known as " DM

> Cough Syrup, " a liquid cough medicine sold over the counter at most

drug

> stores. Like Naltrexone, DM is also an opioid receptor antagonist.

>

> I have heard (second hand) that some people in a Parkinson's chat

group

> take about 5 mg of DM nightly. There is one member, in particular,

who

> has been on DM for two years and who says his PD has not

progressed.

>

> Here are some studies regarding DM:

>

cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & list_uids=12649371 & dopt=Abstract

>

cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & list_uids=15790998 & dopt=Abstract

>

cmd=retrieve & db=pubmed & list_uids=15791005 & dopt=Abstract

>

> I have compared numerous brands of DM cough syrup and the one

featured

> here

>

>

> appears to contain the highest concentration of DM with the least

amount

> of undesirable, so-called " inert " ingrediants. A dose of just 1.5

ml of

> this prepartion yields exactly 4.5 mg of DM. Assuming 1 mg of DM is

> exactly equivalent in action to 1 mg of LDN, one bottle of this

cough

> syrup would last 80 days.

>

> What I need is one or more highly LDN-dependent people to try DM

cough

> syrup for a few days in place of their usual dose of LDN to see if

their

> symptoms remain at bay. It is one of those rare clinical trials that

> only involves a few days--not weeks or months--and does not cost

> millions of dollars.

>

> The advantages of DM cough syrup over LDN are that it is far more

> pleasant tasting than liquid LDN, is even cheaper than LDN, and,

perhaps

> most importantly, it empowers people who wish to avoid--or simply

cannot

> afford--the usual medical route.

>

> If--in the interest of science and the thousands, if not millions,

of

> people who could benefit from this information--some highly

> LDN-dependent members of this group would like to volunteer for this

> study, please contact me at

>

> cyber_guy_2006@...

>

> Regards,

>

> Cyberguy

>

> cyberguy2_2006

To those now using LDN with success I'd say don't take unnecessary

chances experimenting thereby risking setbacks. Not trying to rain on

your parade, Cyberguy, just exercising caution and looking out for

the members here. Many have been through hell and there's no need to

return.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Artie

--

May 8, 2007

Thank you, Marshiris!

Regards,

Cyberguy

May 8, 2007

Hi Art,

I can understand your concern. However, it would only be for a few days.

Besides, where's your sense of scientific inquiry? If everyone felt as

you did, we would still be riding around in horse-drawn carriages and

reading by candle light. In addition, if LDN quit working for you,

wouldn't it be nice to know that there was a backup medicine--DM--that

was cheap, readily available, and didn't require a prescription?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

Regards,

Cyberguy

May 8, 2007

Hello Im in Wva and would be very interested in maybe having my wife be a Volunteer.She had colon cancer but we seamed to have got rid of that but now its in her hip.I would like to hear back from you in this regard.I hope to hear back soon.Thankyou Dan Leonardcyber_guy_2006@... wrote: Hi Art,I can understand your concern. However, it would only be for a few days.Besides, where's your sense of scientific inquiry? If everyone felt asyou did, we would still be riding around in horse-drawn carriages

andreading by candle light. In addition, if LDN quit working for you,wouldn't it be nice to know that there was a backup medicine--DM--thatwas cheap, readily available, and didn't require a prescription?Nothing ventured, nothing gained!Regards,Cyberguycyberguy2_2006

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May 8, 2007

Hi Dan,

I am asking people interested in participating in this study involving

DM to please contact me off list at

cyber_guy_2006@...

Thanks!

Regards,

Cyberguy

May 9, 2007

I agree with Arty

if you are on LDN why change but if you can not get then try the chough mix

if you are a nurse asking people to stop taking something that is working for they for your own aims seems odd

lyn

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Volunteers Needed for Small Clinical Study

Thank you, Marshiris!

Regards,

Cyberguy

May 9, 2007

again why risk it

people try to make things easy not stop something to risk trying something else

if you can not get LDN maybe trying DM

a back up you were saying instead are you now saying its better or stronger

lyn

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Volunteers Needed for Small Clinical Study

Hi Art,

I can understand your concern. However, it would only be for a few days.

Besides, where's your sense of scientific inquiry? If everyone felt as

you did, we would still be riding around in horse-drawn carriages and

reading by candle light. In addition, if LDN quit working for you,

wouldn't it be nice to know that there was a backup medicine--DM--that

was cheap, readily available, and didn't require a prescription?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

Regards,

Cyberguy