Re: Update: I got the STARscanner report from Nouveau Prosthetics.

[Guest guest]

I got the report from Nouveau Prosthetics just now. I posted their

reports:

Photo Albums > Our Plagio Babies I > Isaac's STARScan report

and

Photo Albums > Our Plagio Babies I > Isaac's bro. Garrick's STARScan

report

The reports are right next to the pictures of their heads.

Can someone help me interpret the numbers?

ISAAC:

Cephalic Ratio measurement: 0.899

Oblique Diagonal 1: 154.7

Oblique Diagonal 2: 150.1

Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index (CVAI): 3.0

GARRICK:

Cephalic Ratio measurement: 0.886

Oblique Diagonal 1: 150.2

Oblique Diagonal 2: 153.9

Cranial Vault Asymmetry Index (CVAI): 2.4

Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ recently?

> > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

central

> > > NJ.

> > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that their

> > > heads were

> > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about it. He

> > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on their

> > > tummy all

> > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

while,

> > > even

> > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby has the

> > > right

> > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the left

> > > side of

> > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another pediatrician. She

> > > thinks

> > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them to

> > > more tummy

> > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time almost

> > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy time is

> > > not going

> > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial Tech. in

> > > Paramus,

> > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice there. But

> > > it

> > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network. The

> > > only one

> > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

Prosthetics in

> > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to Cranial

> > > Tech.,

> > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since I

> > > couldn't find

> > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether I

> > > should go

> > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than they

are

> > > now.

> > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Based on your sons' measurements they both have brachy rather than

plagio. Brachy is measured by the Cephalic Ratio which is Cranial

Breadth/Cranial Length. Generally the severity is measured by the

following:

ideal ratio - 78%

normal - 73-83%

moderate - 83.1% to 87.9%

severe - 88% and higher

At 4.6 mm for Isaac and 3.7 mm for Garrick the plagio is on the mild

side:

0-3 mm is normal

<6 mm is very mild

6-10 mm is mild

10-15 mm is moderate

15+ mm is severe

Molly

Novato, California

Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/06,

Graduate!

, 5

, 8.5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

recently?

> > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> central

> > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

their

> > > > heads were

> > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

it. He

> > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

their

> > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

> while,

> > > > even

> > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

has the

> > > > right

> > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the

left

> > > > side of

> > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

pediatrician. She

> > > > thinks

> > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them

to

> > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

almost

> > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

time is

> > > > not going

> > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

Tech. in

> > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

there. But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network.

The

> > > > only one

> > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> Prosthetics in

> > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

Cranial

> > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since

I

> > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether

I

> > > > should go

> > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

they

> are

> > > > now.

> > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My gosh! I didn't know their brachy is that severe! No one ever

mentioned it to me, neither CT's and Purvi (she came in to

take a look at Isaac at 's request) nor Joe from Nouveau

Prosthetics. Joe even showed me on his computer that Isaac's 96.7%

" symmetry ratio. " He said Isaac's head is nearly perfect... I don't

get it.

The reason that their brachy doesn't bother me as much is that they

have a lot of hair:

Photo Albums > Our Plagio Babies I > Isaac's side profile in the crib

Thank you so much for the info. I'll check with the doctor about

their brachy tomorrow.

Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

> recently?

> > > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> > central

> > > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

> their

> > > > > heads were

> > > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

> it. He

> > > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

> their

> > > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

> > while,

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

> has the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the

> left

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

> pediatrician. She

> > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them

> to

> > > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

> almost

> > > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

> time is

> > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

> Tech. in

> > > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

> there. But

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network.

> The

> > > > > only one

> > > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> > Prosthetics in

> > > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

> Cranial

> > > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since

> I

> > > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether

> I

> > > > > should go

> > > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

> they

> > are

> > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Something to keep in mind when you look at the report and the pictures from

the scan, it is captured at one level of the head. With the STARscan report

it usually measures at Level 3 which is approximately eye-level (your report

should say what level it was taken at; the photo you posted was too small so

I couldn't read it). So, if there is any significant flattening above or

below this point it won't be captured.

The brachy may not bother you from a cosmetic standpoint but down the road

your children might have problems fitting into helmets - bike helmets,

football helmets, baseball helmets, etc. Eyeglasses might be more difficult

to fit because of the added width of the head.

Molly

Novato, California

Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/06,

Graduate!

, 5

, 8.5

Re: Update: I got the STARscanner report from Nouveau

Prosthetics.

My gosh! I didn't know their brachy is that severe! No one ever

mentioned it to me, neither CT's and Purvi (she came in to

take a look at Isaac at 's request) nor Joe from Nouveau

Prosthetics. Joe even showed me on his computer that Isaac's 96.7%

" symmetry ratio. " He said Isaac's head is nearly perfect... I don't

get it.

The reason that their brachy doesn't bother me as much is that they

have a lot of hair:

Photo Albums > Our Plagio Babies I > Isaac's side profile in the crib

Thank you so much for the info. I'll check with the doctor about

their brachy tomorrow.

Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

> recently?

> > > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> > central

> > > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

> their

> > > > > heads were

> > > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

> it. He

> > > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

> their

> > > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

> > while,

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

> has the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the

> left

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

> pediatrician. She

> > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them

> to

> > > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

> almost

> > > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

> time is

> > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

> Tech. in

> > > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

> there. But

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network.

> The

> > > > > only one

> > > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> > Prosthetics in

> > > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

> Cranial

> > > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since

> I

> > > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether

> I

> > > > > should go

> > > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

> they

> > are

> > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Molly,

Thank you so much for your advice. I didn't think about that.

I don't know why the picture of the report came out so small. Did you

try clicking on " Large " at the upper left hand corner where it says

Photo Albums > Our Plagio Babies I

View: Medium | Large

?

Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

> > recently?

> > > > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> > > central

> > > > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

> > their

> > > > > > heads were

> > > > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

> > it. He

> > > > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

> > their

> > > > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

> > > while,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

> > has the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the

> > left

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

> > pediatrician. She

> > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them

> > to

> > > > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

> > almost

> > > > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

> > time is

> > > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

> > Tech. in

> > > > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

> > there. But

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network.

> > The

> > > > > > only one

> > > > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> > > Prosthetics in

> > > > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

> > Cranial

> > > > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since

> > I

> > > > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether

> > I

> > > > > > should go

> > > > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

> > they

> > > are

> > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

our specialist recommends banding at 90% or higher. So that would make

your son's borderline. Normal is about 78%, so 88% is severe, but does

not necessarily require treatment - it just depends on how you feel

about it. With boys you do need to consider that they may lose their

hair when they are older. My daughter was about 96% corrected to 85%

after banding. Her head is still not perfect and I would have liked a

lower number, but I am okay with her head at this point. At 88/89 I

would probably try to band, but it is a tough decision.

-christine

sydney 2 yrs starband grad.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

> > recently?

> > > > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> > > central

> > > > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

> > their

> > > > > > heads were

> > > > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

> > it. He

> > > > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

> > their

> > > > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

> > > while,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

> > has the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the

> > left

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

> > pediatrician. She

> > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them

> > to

> > > > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

> > almost

> > > > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

> > time is

> > > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

> > Tech. in

> > > > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

> > there. But

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network.

> > The

> > > > > > only one

> > > > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> > > Prosthetics in

> > > > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

> > Cranial

> > > > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since

> > I

> > > > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether

> > I

> > > > > > should go

> > > > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

> > they

> > > are

> > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, for the tip, I can see it now. It is a Level 3 scan. I have to

correct what I said earlier, Level 3 is not eye-level, it is slightly

higher. If you look at your STARscan report, in the upper right hand corner

there is a side-view of a head and the Level 3 mark is noted with a dotted

line (you can't see it on the photos you posted as it looks like the report

was cropped). Hope this helps explain it a bit more!

Molly

Re: Update: I got the STARscanner report from Nouveau

Prosthetics.

Hi Molly,

Thank you so much for your advice. I didn't think about that.

I don't know why the picture of the report came out so small. Did you

try clicking on " Large " at the upper left hand corner where it says

Photo Albums > Our Plagio Babies I

View: Medium | Large

?

Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

> > recently?

> > > > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> > > central

> > > > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

> > their

> > > > > > heads were

> > > > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

> > it. He

> > > > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

> > their

> > > > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement. After a

> > > while,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

> > has the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one has the

> > left

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

> > pediatrician. She

> > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed them

> > to

> > > > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

> > almost

> > > > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

> > time is

> > > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

> > Tech. in

> > > > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

> > there. But

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance network.

> > The

> > > > > > only one

> > > > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> > > Prosthetics in

> > > > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

> > Cranial

> > > > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves. Since

> > I

> > > > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure whether

> > I

> > > > > > should go

> > > > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

> > they

> > > are

> > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

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[Guest guest]

I got it. Thank you! No wonder the bulging forehead is not showing

in the diagram.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Has anyone gone to Nouveau Prosthetics in Hazlet, NJ

> > > recently?

> > > > > > > > > > I'm a mother of 2 10 months old twin boys. We live in

> > > > central

> > > > > > > NJ.

> > > > > > > > > > When the boys were 2 months old, people noticed that

> > > their

> > > > > > > heads were

> > > > > > > > > > very flat in the back. I asked my pediatrician about

> > > it. He

> > > > > > > > > > recommended more tummy time. We tried to put them on

> > > their

> > > > > > > tummy all

> > > > > > > > > > the time. But we didn't see much improvement.

After a

> > > > while,

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > their face became more and more asymmetric. One baby

> > > has the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > side of his face bulging out, and the other one

has the

> > > left

> > > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > > > the face bulging out. We went to another

> > > pediatrician. She

> > > > > > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > > that their heads are not that bad. She prescribed

them

> > > to

> > > > > > > more tummy

> > > > > > > > > > time, too. But I was already giving them tummy time

> > > almost

> > > > > > > 24/7! By

> > > > > > > > > > the time they are 9 months old I decided that tummy

> > > time is

> > > > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > > > to help reshaping their heads. We went to Cranial

> > > Tech. in

> > > > > > > Paramus,

> > > > > > > > > > NJ for a free consultation. The people were nice

> > > there. But

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > turned out that they are not in our insurance

network.

> > > The

> > > > > > > only one

> > > > > > > > > > that's in our insurance network is this Nouveau

> > > > Prosthetics in

> > > > > > > Hazlet,

> > > > > > > > > > NJ which I've never heard of. If we go to Nouveau

> > > > > > > Prosthetics, our

> > > > > > > > > > insurance would cover the expense 100%. If we go to

> > > Cranial

> > > > > > > Tech.,

> > > > > > > > > > then we'd have to pay for everything ourselves.

Since

> > > I

> > > > > > > couldn't find

> > > > > > > > > > any good review about this place, I am not sure

whether

> > > I

> > > > > > > should go

> > > > > > > > > > there. I don't want their heads to become worse than

> > > they

> > > > are

> > > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > > > Can anyone give me advice? Thank you so much!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mother of 10 months old twin boys, central NJ

>

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