Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 busterabby2003 My AndroGel (AG) application sites are my shaved inner thighs. As a consequence of HIV encephalopathy in 1998, my left leg is paralyzed from knee down so I can't just hop in shower. I would not be comfortable standing up showering, so I sit on a transfer bench that sits in bathtub. Showering is an event I plan for so I don't shower every day....I will go for a week...this is actually a good frequency for maturer individuals, so as to preserve epidermis/corneum layers http://www.fpnotebook.com/DER48.htm to retain oils. This being said, I scrub well shaved inner thighs each morning/early evening, with isopropyl alcohol 70%. Before AG application. Some of my recent Serum T-levels: 4-5-04 814 (241-827) 1-8-04 678 10-27-03 533 8-15-03 809 6-20-03 620 2-25-03 922 So this works well for me. When I do shower, I use Ivory. Just my experiences... OR eon absorption for best result using androgel-testim-or the like: Always shower with Ivory bar S. If you want prof: after useing wipe the spot were you apply . notice there is no residue of anykind. use dove or similar type-- wipe the application site- big difference- Striant is tops best result-exception might be pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hi all, Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor planning issus are better. But still no words. My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much fish oil a day? He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any suggestions are appreciated. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Colleen, Who is this kelly dorman? Did she recommend this for you? You mentioned the DAN doctor. Is your son on the spectrum. The developmental ped. I saw said my son did not appear to be but he does have some of the same medical issues as some of the children who are. Can I see one of them even if my son is not on the spectrum but has some of the same gut type issues? Also where did you get the Three Lac from? Colleen Somerville <colleen.somerville@...> wrote: , You may want to speak with www.kellydorman.com. It would be worth your money to speak with her. My son is two and also quite tall for his age, 27 months. He has made tremendous changes in over 2 months since starting the vitamins. Dorman is an excellent nutritionist. I am giving my son 3 NN Compete 3/6/9 with Borage Oil. 800 iu of Vitamin E, ThreeLac Probiotic and Phospaline along with Multivitamin. That is what I started with. Also seeing a DAN! Doc. Thanks, Colleen [ ] Absorption Hi all, Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor planning issus are better. But still no words. My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much fish oil a day? He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any suggestions are appreciated. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Grace is 3.5 years old and she is off the chart in height and is the 95th percentile for weight. Kris The Knitting Wannabe http://knittingwannabe.typepad.com Sonny & Shear: The I’ve Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop http://www.sonnyandshear.com On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Russo wrote: > Hi all, > Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so > on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son > who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally > confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for > his height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and > oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He > gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He > is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been > giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but > since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He > can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the > motor planning issus are better. But still no words. > > My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how > much fish oil a day? > He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea > to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he > was 6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 > of them. Any suggestions are appreciated. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 My son was a lot like your child at that age. He has been ENORMOUS from day one and has never fallen off his curve -- somewhere in the 97-99% range. He is a head taller than a lot of the kids in his kindergarten class, despite being a June birthday (the cut off here is 10/1). When he was in preschool, people were asking him what grade he was in. He could barely speak at the time! And yet, he had constant soft stool, difficulty potty training due to that and his low tone, etc. Now, with fish oil, enzymes, etc. he speaks beautifully and has nice, normal BM's. He is mostly dairy-free and still on enzymes. We just had his first parent-teacher conference, and his teacher said he's doing fine in every way. Yay! I hope that continues! Anyway, my point is that not all gut problems present as low weight, low growth, failure-to-thrive looking kids. That's why it can be hard to determine what is going on. I would definitely increase the fish oil to see if that helps. My son had a surge in motor skills and speech every time we increased. We backed off when he seemed to be getting too hyper from the high doses. Right now, he takes 1 EPA and 1 EFA in the am and again in the pm, for a total of 4 fish oil. I also feed him the omega eggs a couple of times per week. Must go -- last day of soccer here! Email me if you have any questions. in NJ > > Hi all, > Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor planning issus are better. But still no words. > > My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much fish oil a day? > He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any suggestions are appreciated. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 DAN doctors treat a whole host of disorders. Nobody in my house is autistic and we see a family doc who dabbles in DAN stuff. Some DANs treat heart disease. MS, ataxia, etc. Yes, you can see one. It is important though to look for someone skilled in what you think you are dealing with, not pay some crazy upfront fee, and that you feel comfortable with this doctor's approach. > , > > You may want to speak with www.kellydorman.com. It would be worth your money > to speak with her. My son is two and also quite tall for his age, 27 months. > He has made tremendous changes in over 2 months since starting the vitamins. > Dorman is an excellent nutritionist. I am giving my son 3 NN Compete > 3/6/9 with Borage Oil. 800 iu of Vitamin E, ThreeLac Probiotic and > Phospaline along with Multivitamin. That is what I started with. Also seeing > a DAN! Doc. > > Thanks, > Colleen > > [ ] Absorption > > Hi all, > Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are > many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is > intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that > after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He > has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does > not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but > can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in > December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has > no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. > He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor > planning issus are better. But still no words. > > My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much > fish oil a day? > He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to > constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks > old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any > suggestions are appreciated. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 , My son is 27 months old. I see many differnet people. I have a mainstream doctor (covered by insurance to do blood work and referrals), child neurologist who dx my son with apraxia, Dorman for nutrition, and more recently a DAN! I plan to keep up with all of the docs because they Dorfman is in MD. I am in Atlanta, so I sought out a DAN! to have some one with an eye on my son. I also have ST and OT. I highly suggest speaking with Dorfman because safety is my concern with vitamins. I want to make sure we are safe and getting what we need. Dorfman is a child nutritionist who comes highly reccommended from some therapists with whom I have spoken. She checks out diet, and reccommends vitamins and minerals specific to each child's needs. She is well versed with Apraxia/Dyspraxia. You can contact her through the Internet at www.kellydorfman.com. Money very well spent. Although my son is not on the spectrum, I like the DAN!'s approach to treating the whole child not just apraxia. I got the three lac on line after reading the McCarthy book, Louder Than Words. I highly reccommend this book as well. Also the Out of sync child. There are so many similarities with all of the autism diagnosis and apraxia, dyspraxia, etc. You can contact anyone of these people even though your son is not on the spectrum. If you have a flex spending account with your insurance, I highly reccomend using it for these types of specialist who are not covered by insurance. Thanks, Colleen [ ] Absorption Hi all, Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor planning issus are better. But still no words. My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much fish oil a day? He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any suggestions are appreciated. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 ----- Original Message ----- From: Arias does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin... ===>There is no evidence I am aware of or have ever seen that Vitamin C needs carnitine for absorption, not that biotin needs magnesium for absorption. Both are water soluble and would be absorbed with or without carnitine and/or magnesium or anything else. There is plenty of evidence I am aware of that shows Vitamin C and biotin get absorbed just fine by themself. Always check out what someone on the internet tells you about vitamins or anything, for that matter. Biotin needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need anything for absorption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes, they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in food that have not yet been discovered. Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom salt baths. > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need anything for > absorption? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 so if i give magnesium alone, it is useless? it could take forever to get all these vitamins on board. i can see why people do a multi. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 PM, wrote: > , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes, > they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in > food that have not yet been discovered. > > Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom > salt baths. > > > > > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there > > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin > > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need > anything for > > absorption? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 No, not useless. My son was wasting magnesium (it was high off the charts on his hair analysis), so he wasn't using it properly. I still think the best bet for magnesium is epsom salt baths. I don't bother much with oral anymore, except with my NOW brand Cal-Mag-D powder, I love that stuff. > > > > > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there > > > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin > > > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need > > anything for > > > absorption? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 If you are giving mag with your biotin wouldn't u be able to give the vitamin c separately? Re: [ ] Re: Absorption so if i give magnesium alone, it is useless? it could take forever to get all these vitamins on board. i can see why people do a multi. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 PM, wrote: > , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes, > they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in > food that have not yet been discovered. > > Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom > salt baths. > > > > > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there > > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin > > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need > anything for > > absorption? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 I use Klaire Labs VitaSpectrum for the " multibase " and add a few individuals from there like L-Carnitine, Glutathione, Curcumin, CLO, PS/PC/PE, extra B-12 etc., I do regular UTEE testing to see what may be lacking in minerals or what I may have too much of and adjust the individual supplements accordingly. I love Body Bio E-Lyte liquids for the individual minerals because they are so easy to dose but I do use Mag. Citrate daily in capsule form. I use as many powders, chewables and liquids as I can get because this kid still won't swallow capsules or tablets! Everything gets mixed 2 x daily in a 4 oz. juice box. I just know that if I use the " multibase " when I give the other supplements everything needed for absorbsion will already be there. I use 1/2 teaspoon of the VitaSpectrum powder 2x a day. Chris Re: [ ] Re: Absorption so if i give magnesium alone, it is useless? it could take forever to get all these vitamins on board. i can see why people do a multi. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 PM, wrote: > , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes, > they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in > food that have not yet been discovered. > > Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom > salt baths. > > > > > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there > > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin > > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need > anything for > > absorption? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. No. When you hear this kind of thing it means you're talking to a mentally ill AND incompetent health care practitioner who can only hurt your child. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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