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My AndroGel (AG) application sites are my shaved inner thighs.

As a consequence of HIV encephalopathy in 1998, my left leg is paralyzed

from knee down so I can't just hop in shower. I would not be comfortable

standing up showering, so I sit on a transfer bench that sits in bathtub.

Showering is an event I plan for so I don't shower every day....I will go

for a week...this is actually a good frequency for maturer individuals, so

as to preserve epidermis/corneum layers http://www.fpnotebook.com/DER48.htm

to retain oils.

This being said, I scrub well shaved inner thighs each morning/early

evening, with isopropyl alcohol 70%. Before AG application.

Some of my recent Serum T-levels:

4-5-04 814 (241-827)

1-8-04 678

10-27-03 533

8-15-03 809

6-20-03 620

2-25-03 922

So this works well for me. When I do shower, I use Ivory.

Just my experiences...

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absorption

for best result using androgel-testim-or the like: Always shower

with Ivory bar S. If you want prof: after useing wipe the spot were

you apply . notice there is no residue of anykind. use dove or

similar type-- wipe the application site- big difference- Striant is

tops best result-exception might be pellets.

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Hi all,

Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are

many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is intolerant of

milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that after removing it),

is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He has the low tone,

especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just

sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He

is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been giving him 1

ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but since July he has went

from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He can also now blow out candles and

whistles with less effort and the motor planning issus are better. But still no

words.

My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much fish

oil a day?

He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to

constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks old

to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any suggestions are

appreciated.

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Colleen,

Who is this kelly dorman? Did she recommend this for you? You mentioned the

DAN doctor. Is your son on the spectrum. The developmental ped. I saw said my

son did not appear to be but he does have some of the same medical issues as

some of the children who are. Can I see one of them even if my son is not on the

spectrum but has some of the same gut type issues? Also where did you get the

Three Lac from?

Colleen Somerville <colleen.somerville@...> wrote:

,

You may want to speak with www.kellydorman.com. It would be worth your money

to speak with her. My son is two and also quite tall for his age, 27 months.

He has made tremendous changes in over 2 months since starting the vitamins.

Dorman is an excellent nutritionist. I am giving my son 3 NN Compete

3/6/9 with Borage Oil. 800 iu of Vitamin E, ThreeLac Probiotic and

Phospaline along with Multivitamin. That is what I started with. Also seeing

a DAN! Doc.

Thanks,

Colleen

[ ] Absorption

Hi all,

Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are

many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is

intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that

after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He

has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does

not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but

can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in

December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has

no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha.

He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor

planning issus are better. But still no words.

My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much

fish oil a day?

He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to

constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks

old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any

suggestions are appreciated.

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Grace is 3.5 years old and she is off the chart in height and is

the 95th percentile for weight.

Kris

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On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Russo wrote:

> Hi all,

> Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so

> on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son

> who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally

> confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for

> his height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and

> oral and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He

> gropes alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He

> is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been

> giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but

> since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He

> can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the

> motor planning issus are better. But still no words.

>

> My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how

> much fish oil a day?

> He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea

> to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he

> was 6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7

> of them. Any suggestions are appreciated.

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

>

>

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My son was a lot like your child at that age. He has been

ENORMOUS from day one and has never fallen off his curve -- somewhere

in the 97-99% range. He is a head taller than a lot of the kids in

his kindergarten class, despite being a June birthday (the cut off

here is 10/1). When he was in preschool, people were asking him what

grade he was in. He could barely speak at the time! And yet, he had

constant soft stool, difficulty potty training due to that and his

low tone, etc. Now, with fish oil, enzymes, etc. he speaks

beautifully and has nice, normal BM's. He is mostly dairy-free and

still on enzymes. We just had his first parent-teacher conference,

and his teacher said he's doing fine in every way. Yay! I hope that

continues!

Anyway, my point is that not all gut problems present as low weight,

low growth, failure-to-thrive looking kids. That's why it can be

hard to determine what is going on. I would definitely increase the

fish oil to see if that helps. My son had a surge in motor skills

and speech every time we increased. We backed off when he seemed to

be getting too hyper from the high doses. Right now, he takes 1 EPA

and 1 EFA in the am and again in the pm, for a total of 4 fish oil.

I also feed him the omega eggs a couple of times per week.

Must go -- last day of soccer here! Email me if you have any

questions.

in NJ

>

> Hi all,

> Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and

so on. Are many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My

son who is intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally

confirmed that after removing it), is actually off the charts for his

height and weight. He has the low tone, especially truncal and oral

and severe apraxia, he does not speak at all just sounds. He gropes

alot when it is the two of us but can't get anything out. He is 39

lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in December. I have been giving

him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has no words but since

July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha. He can also

now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor

planning issus are better. But still no words.

>

> My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he

how much fish oil a day?

> He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea

to constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was

6 weeks old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of

them. Any suggestions are appreciated.

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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DAN doctors treat a whole host of disorders. Nobody in my house is

autistic and we see a family doc who dabbles in DAN stuff. Some DANs

treat heart disease. MS, ataxia, etc. Yes, you can see one. It is

important though to look for someone skilled in what you think you

are dealing with, not pay some crazy upfront fee, and that you feel

comfortable with this doctor's approach.

> ,

>

> You may want to speak with www.kellydorman.com. It would be worth

your money

> to speak with her. My son is two and also quite tall for his age,

27 months.

> He has made tremendous changes in over 2 months since starting the

vitamins.

> Dorman is an excellent nutritionist. I am giving my son 3 NN

Compete

> 3/6/9 with Borage Oil. 800 iu of Vitamin E, ThreeLac Probiotic and

> Phospaline along with Multivitamin. That is what I started with.

Also seeing

> a DAN! Doc.

>

> Thanks,

> Colleen

>

> [ ] Absorption

>

> Hi all,

> Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so

on. Are

> many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is

> intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed

that

> after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and

weight. He

> has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia,

he does

> not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of

us but

> can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3

in

> December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He

still has

> no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh

and ha.

> He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and

the motor

> planning issus are better. But still no words.

>

> My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how

much

> fish oil a day?

> He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to

> constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was

6 weeks

> old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any

> suggestions are appreciated.

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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,

My son is 27 months old. I see many differnet people. I have a mainstream

doctor (covered by insurance to do blood work and referrals), child

neurologist who dx my son with apraxia, Dorman for nutrition, and more

recently a DAN! I plan to keep up with all of the docs because they

Dorfman is in MD. I am in Atlanta, so I sought out a DAN! to have some one

with an eye on my son. I also have ST and OT.

I highly suggest speaking with Dorfman because safety is my concern

with vitamins. I want to make sure we are safe and getting what we need.

Dorfman is a child nutritionist who comes highly reccommended from

some therapists with whom I have spoken. She checks out diet, and

reccommends vitamins and minerals specific to each child's needs. She is

well versed with Apraxia/Dyspraxia. You can contact her through the Internet

at www.kellydorfman.com. Money very well spent.

Although my son is not on the spectrum, I like the DAN!'s approach to

treating the whole child not just apraxia.

I got the three lac on line after reading the McCarthy book, Louder

Than Words. I highly reccommend this book as well. Also the Out of sync

child. There are so many similarities with all of the autism diagnosis and

apraxia, dyspraxia, etc.

You can contact anyone of these people even though your son is not on the

spectrum. If you have a flex spending account with your insurance, I highly

reccomend using it for these types of specialist who are not covered by

insurance.

Thanks,

Colleen

[ ] Absorption

Hi all,

Alot of you talk about your kids not absorbing the nutrients and so on. Are

many of your kids small for age or short in stature? My son who is

intolerant of milk (the eczema finally going away finally confirmed that

after removing it), is actually off the charts for his height and weight. He

has the low tone, especially truncal and oral and severe apraxia, he does

not speak at all just sounds. He gropes alot when it is the two of us but

can't get anything out. He is 39 lbs and 39 inches and he will be 3 in

December. I have been giving him 1 ProEfa NN a day since July. He still has

no words but since July he has went from MMM to MMMaa, ah, buh, eh and ha.

He can also now blow out candles and whistles with less effort and the motor

planning issus are better. But still no words.

My questions are could he still be one whose gut is bad? and he how much

fish oil a day?

He definetely always had bowel problems he would go from diarrhea to

constipation alot and he was on an antibiotic from the time he was 6 weeks

old to almost 2 years old. This year alone he was on 7 of them. Any

suggestions are appreciated.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Arias

does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there

one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...

===>There is no evidence I am aware of or have ever seen that Vitamin C needs

carnitine for absorption, not that biotin needs magnesium for absorption. Both

are water soluble and would be absorbed with or without carnitine and/or

magnesium or anything else.

There is plenty of evidence I am aware of that shows Vitamin C and biotin get

absorbed just fine by themself. Always check out what someone on the internet

tells you about vitamins or anything, for that matter.

Biotin

needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need anything for

absorption?

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, this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes,

they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in

food that have not yet been discovered.

Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom

salt baths.

>

> does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there

> one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin

> needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need anything for

> absorption?

>

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so if i give magnesium alone, it is useless? it could take forever to

get all these vitamins on board. i can see why people do a multi.

On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 PM, wrote:

> , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes,

> they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in

> food that have not yet been discovered.

>

> Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom

> salt baths.

>

>

> >

> > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there

> > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin

> > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need

> anything for

> > absorption?

> >

>

>

>

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No, not useless. My son was wasting magnesium (it was high off the

charts on his hair analysis), so he wasn't using it properly. I

still think the best bet for magnesium is epsom salt baths. I don't

bother much with oral anymore, except with my NOW brand Cal-Mag-D

powder, I love that stuff.

> > >

> > > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't

there

> > > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs

carnitin...Biotin

> > > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need

> > anything for

> > > absorption?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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If you are giving mag with your biotin wouldn't u be able to give the vitamin c

separately?

Re: [ ] Re: Absorption

so if i give magnesium alone, it is useless? it could take forever to

get all these vitamins on board. i can see why people do a multi.

On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 PM, wrote:

> , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes,

> they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in

> food that have not yet been discovered.

>

> Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom

> salt baths.

>

>

> >

> > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there

> > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin

> > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need

> anything for

> > absorption?

> >

>

>

>

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I use Klaire Labs VitaSpectrum for the " multibase " and add a few individuals

from there like L-Carnitine, Glutathione, Curcumin, CLO, PS/PC/PE, extra B-12

etc., I do regular UTEE testing to see what may be lacking in minerals or what

I may have too much of and adjust the individual supplements accordingly. I

love Body Bio E-Lyte liquids for the individual minerals because they are so

easy to dose but I do use Mag. Citrate daily in capsule form. I use as many

powders, chewables and liquids as I can get because this kid still won't swallow

capsules or tablets! Everything gets mixed 2 x daily in a 4 oz. juice box.

I just know that if I use the " multibase " when I give the other supplements

everything needed for absorbsion will already be there. I use 1/2 teaspoon of

the VitaSpectrum powder 2x a day.

Chris

Re: [ ] Re: Absorption

so if i give magnesium alone, it is useless? it could take forever to

get all these vitamins on board. i can see why people do a multi.

On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:33 PM, wrote:

> , this is why I try to use food based vitamins - because yes,

> they work with each other. There are also so many micronutrients in

> food that have not yet been discovered.

>

> Magnesium is absorbed better with taurine, or the child can take epsom

> salt baths.

>

>

> >

> > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption. Isn't there

> > one vitamin that can stand alone??? Vit. C needs carnitin...Biotin

> > needs magnesim etc... How about Magnesium, does that need

> anything for

> > absorption?

> >

>

>

>

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> > does EVERY vitamin need another vitamin for absorption.

No.

When you hear this kind of thing it means you're talking to a mentally ill AND

incompetent

health care practitioner who can only hurt your child.

Andy

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