Re: My son finally can stick out his tongue!!!!!

[Guest guest]

This is an absolutely huge milestone! I am so excited for you. Imagine

how much easier speech can be!

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> Last night my son finally started to be able to stick his tongue out

> when you asked him too! He could always lick food of his lip out of

> reflex but could not stick out his tongue if you asked. Now he can!

I

> am just so excited that I had to share it with someone who knew this

> was a big step for him!

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[Guest guest]

That's awesome!!!!!! It certainly helps to share it with people who know

how huge something like this is!!

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of kptert

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:23 AM

Subject: [ ] My son finally can stick out his tongue!!!!!

Last night my son finally started to be able to stick his tongue out

when you asked him too! He could always lick food of his lip out of

reflex but could not stick out his tongue if you asked. Now he can! I

am just so excited that I had to share it with someone who knew this

was a big step for him!

[Guest guest]

Is this the thing where you put stuff on the roof of mouth to get

them to do this? We never could but now can due to sunbutter so I

should try this.

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> AWESOME!!!!!

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> Next step? Try to get him to lift his tongue up to the roof of

his mouth (behind his teeth). Very tough! Don`t sweat it if he

cannot do it for an eon..... but I was amazed to notice after 9 years

of speech therapy Mark could not do this simple task. We began to

work on it daily and now he can do it in rapid succession. This one

act has made an immense difference to his articulation and clarity.

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> Those tongues need work.....

>

> Janice

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[Guest guest]

AWESOME!!!!!

Next step? Try to get him to lift his tongue up to the roof of his mouth

(behind his teeth). Very tough! Don`t sweat it if he cannot do it for an

eon..... but I was amazed to notice after 9 years of speech therapy Mark could

not do this simple task. We began to work on it daily and now he can do it in

rapid succession. This one act has made an immense difference to his

articulation and clarity.

Those tongues need work.....

Janice

[sPAM][ ] My son finally can stick out his

tongue!!!!!

Last night my son finally started to be able to stick his tongue out

when you asked him too! He could always lick food of his lip out of

reflex but could not stick out his tongue if you asked. Now he can! I

am just so excited that I had to share it with someone who knew this

was a big step for him!

[Guest guest]

That's so exciting! Big, big news! Congratulations!

in NJ

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> Last night my son finally started to be able to stick his tongue out

> when you asked him too! He could always lick food of his lip out of

> reflex but could not stick out his tongue if you asked. Now he can!

I

> am just so excited that I had to share it with someone who knew this

> was a big step for him!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am so happy for you! This is such good news.

>

> Last night my son finally started to be able to stick his tongue out

> when you asked him too! He could always lick food of his lip out of

> reflex but could not stick out his tongue if you asked. Now he

can! I

> am just so excited that I had to share it with someone who knew this

> was a big step for him!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You could use organic peanut butter or whatever if you wish to put something at

the top of their mouths. For Mark, just the act of raising his tongue upwards

was so very incredibly difficult that I think just doing it in front of the

mirror would help a lot..... even before using peanut butter or sunbutter or

almond butter....

For those of you who are not GF, holding an item like a cherrio with the tongue

at the side of the mouth (in the cheek) until it melts away is also fabulous for

tongue work.

Very hard for our kiddos to work their tongues but once we do every single day,

it is amazing how they can go from being uncoordinated to coordinated.... we

just need to specifically focus on it...... daily..... and then it will come.

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: My son finally can stick out his

tongue!!!!!

Is this the thing where you put stuff on the roof of mouth to get

them to do this? We never could but now can due to sunbutter so I

should try this.

>

> AWESOME!!!!!

>

> Next step? Try to get him to lift his tongue up to the roof of

his mouth (behind his teeth). Very tough! Don`t sweat it if he

cannot do it for an eon..... but I was amazed to notice after 9 years

of speech therapy Mark could not do this simple task. We began to

work on it daily and now he can do it in rapid succession. This one

act has made an immense difference to his articulation and clarity.

>

> Those tongues need work.....

>

> Janice

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

excellent info as usual, Janice. We use a dum-dum sucker and it worked like

a charm.

[ ] Re: My son finally can stick out his

tongue!!!!!

You could use organic peanut butter or whatever if you wish to put something

at the top of their mouths. For Mark, just the act of raising his tongue

upwards was so very incredibly difficult that I think just doing it in front

of the mirror would help a lot..... even before using peanut butter or

sunbutter or almond butter....

For those of you who are not GF, holding an item like a cherrio with the

tongue at the side of the mouth (in the cheek) until it melts away is also

fabulous for tongue work.

Very hard for our kiddos to work their tongues but once we do every single

day, it is amazing how they can go from being uncoordinated to

coordinated.... we just need to specifically focus on it...... daily.....

and then it will come.

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: My son finally can stick out his

tongue!!!!!

Is this the thing where you put stuff on the roof of mouth to get

them to do this? We never could but now can due to sunbutter so I

should try this.

>

> AWESOME!!!!!

>

> Next step? Try to get him to lift his tongue up to the roof of

his mouth (behind his teeth). Very tough! Don`t sweat it if he

cannot do it for an eon..... but I was amazed to notice after 9 years

of speech therapy Mark could not do this simple task. We began to

work on it daily and now he can do it in rapid succession. This one

act has made an immense difference to his articulation and clarity.

>

> Those tongues need work.....

>

> Janice

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's great that there have been wonderful suggestions on things you

can do at home to help with tongue control -but you need to find out

what the cause is from (motor planning vs weakness or sensory or more

than one of the above) to know which therapy/therapies would be most

effective to help. For the most part the peanut butter on the lips

is just a way to test for possible oral apraxia -not necessarily a

therapy depending -but it could be. Yes the mirror can be so

important for those with motor planning issues. Professional speech

therapy -and probably with oral motor therapy as well - will probably

show the quickest improvements and they'll give you " homework " .

Below are some archives on the differences between oral apraxia and

dysarthria. There's more on this in The Late Talker as my son Tanner

had apraxia, some dysarthria, and sensory issues that we had to deal

with in working with oral motor therapy/speech therapy (outside of

what we did with OT etc)

~~start of archives

Are they sure it's oral apraxia and not dysarthria? It could also

be a combination of the two (which is what my son Tanner had)

Apraxia is the motor planning impairment of doing things on

command. In other words -your son may not have any trouble lifting

his tongue up or moving it side to side when not thinking about it,

but when he tries to do it on command -he can't...or it goes the

wrong way. Weakness issues would mean he just can't do it ever. My

son could not ever lift his tongue up to touch his top lip when

three (weakness) but in addition, couldn't get his tongue to go

which way he wanted it to go side to side or down. If you put

peanut butter on the right side -his tongue would typically go to

the left. Actually most times he just used his fingers to push it

into his mouth.

If there are other " soft signs "

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/parentfriendlysoftsig

ns.html

like weakness/hypotonia or sensory integration dysfunction

for example, it's probably not just a simple delay in speech or a

phonological disorder. Also those children with just phonological

disorders and/or those with dysarthria/weakness typically

have 'consistent errors. Apraxia = inconsistent errors. Then

again -apraxia can co exist with any of the above, or just about

anything else. This is why you need to know what symptoms if any

are from apraxia -and what are from something else. So you can get

Kellen appropriate therapy/therapies!

More from cuts from archives below on this:

" It is confusing, this is why it's so important to make sure your

child is properly diagnosed. Dysarthria and apraxia can stand

alone, they can also co exist together -it's not unusual.

" Some speech disorders can overlap, or be misdiagnosed. For

example, " Verbal apraxia, a disorder of central nervous system (CNS)

processing, and dysarthria, a disorder of output, are commonly

confused " , says Dr. , chief of child development at the

Chicago College of Medicine. " Experts are able to differentiate

between these two disorders by listening carefully to a child's

speech and by identifying certain physical clues " , says Dr. ,

but adds, " These disorders are poorly understood by physicians and

by a lot of speech therapists as well. " It is possible for

phonological disorders, apraxia and dysarthria to all occur together

in the same child. Speech Language Impairments, which is connected

to language based learning difficulties may also be present. And the

severity of each may vary. "

http://www.cherab.org/information/latetalkerhandout.html

My son Tanner had to work on these two conditions (and more) and he

is talking and a straight A student in first grade now. He plays

ball, rides a bike, roller blades -maybe not all as graceful as

other boys -but he pushes himself to keep up with all his friends.

The Late Talker book has many exercises that you can do at home

(many pulled from what worked for Tanner who was diagnosed with oral

and verbal apraxia, dysarthria, and sensory integration dysfunction -

and mild hypotonia too)

http://www.cherab.org/information/familiesrelate/letter.html

How did I tell the difference between what was due to apraxia and

what was due to dysarthria or hypotonia? Here's my parent

friendly explanation. Apraxia is trying to pick up a fork to pick

up a cooked noodle... while looking in a mirror. Weakness is like

trying to pick up the fork 'with' a cooked noodle. Having

both -well it's, both.

If Tanner never did it, and made consistent errors when he tried to

do it -that was from weakness. Dysarthria and hypotonia made

sense. " He needs to work on this " If he could do it once in a while,

mainly not on command, and was inconsistent in how he did it -that

was the motor planning. Apraxia doesn't make sense " I don't get it

why can't he do this when he can do that? " or " He just did it why

can't he do it again? " Actually if you start your sentence off when

describing your child with " it doesn't make sense " ...big warning

sign of apraxia!

Again you'll know what I mean if you know what I mean! If even the

experts are not 100% sure, it doesn't hurt to incorporate both motor

planning and strengthening therapies to see which helps the most, or

if both are needed. (again not unusual)

Here are just a few links about dysarthria. Keep in mind a child

can have more than one diagnosis.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~ameredit/Neurogenic%20speech%20disorders/Management%20of%2\

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0Children%20with%20Dysarthrianotes.htm

http://www.stronghealth.com/services/childrens/conditions/Dysarthria.cfm

http://www.speech-express.com/diagnosis-destinations/dysarthria/dysarthria.html

http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/forum_2/SpeechDisordersF/Childhooddysarthria.ht\

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ml

http://www.asha.org/about/publications/leader-online/reviews/dysarthia.htm

http://www.csuchico.edu/~pmccaff/syllabi/SPPA342/342unit14.html

Oral apraxia

verbal apraxia

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/verbalapraxia.html

oral apraxia

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html

Some speech disorders can overlap, or be misdiagnosed. For

example, " Verbal apraxia, a disorder of central nervous system (CNS)

processing, and dysarthria, a disorder of output, are commonly

confused " , says Dr. , chief of child development at the

Chicago College of Medicine. " Experts are able to differentiate

between these two disorders by listening carefully to a child's

speech and by identifying certain physical clues " , says Dr. ,

but adds, " These disorders are poorly understood by physicians and

by a lot of speech therapists as well. " It is possible for

phonological disorders, apraxia and dysarthria to all occur together

in the same child. Speech Language Impairments, which is connected

to language based learning difficulties may also be present. And the

severity of each may vary.

http://www.cherab.org/information/latetalkerhandout.html

Have you read The Late Talker -can't recall.

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