Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 These are some of the reasons I found for when my daughter has sleep issues: 1. poop problems-she is constipated and is having gas pains, etc. 2. sound sensitivity-even if the house is settling, any sudden sound can disturb her sleep, so background sound (music or if I'm watching tv) will work. 3. she has something with sugar content even if it is naturally sweet (fruit juice). 4. she went to bed too early. This could even be one hour earlier than usual-wakes her up in the middle of the night. 5. going through a growth spurt. I try to give her a bath before going to sleep and do keep background sound on during the night. Also, I try not have her eat too close to sleeping. Carolyn **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I can only tell you that my son did not sleep a full night until about 3.5 yrs old. He would get up several times a night. I didn't do anything different to change things. I just stuck with a nightly routine almost to the minute. And that seem to work. Today, he knows that he goes to bed right after a certain tv show. He doesn't fight it. And he sleeps 10-11hrs a night. I paid my dues! " apraxiaconcerns " <apraxiaconcerns@ > To Sent by: childrensapraxian cc et@... m Subject [ ] sleep concerns 01/29/2008 11:53 AM Please respond to childrensapraxian et@... m I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? ----------------------------------------- This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JP Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Does she have any sensory dysfunction issues? My son had trouble staying still to fall and stay asleep due to proprioceptive sensory dysfunction. When Vit E eliminated that for him, he began to sleep fine. > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Too much energy may speak to gas or other stuff. We had that with my nonapraxic kid. It can go either way. My speech kid slep too much. Turns out both had gut issues. > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Eeew..... I am sorry that the melatonin isn't working for her. That one always has done the trick for us. You can try epsom salts baths which might get her to find deep relaxation. And another trick you might want to try is a nice L-theanine chewable. It doesn't pack the punch that melatonin does so I don't know if it will work for her. It always makes me very relaxed and it is good for our kids with attention issues as well. Tough when the child isn't sleeping for then therapy doesn't work well nor school and parents are cranky too! Janice [sPAM][ ] sleep concerns I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 You might want to consider taking her to a sleep clinic if this continues. I know a number of adults who received a lot of great advice by going this route. Also, are you giving any supplements in the late afternoon/early evening that might be disrupting sleep? in NJ > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 In my house it is either a yeast flare, or something is off on the supplements. good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 My kids sleep but whether you put them to bed at 7 or 10 they wake up at the same time. Not sure whatthat is. Problematic as I married a manchild when it comes to bedtimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Have you tried giving the fish oils first thing in the morning? I find the oils keep my child awake if given any time after 10am. > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Can somebody tell me how they get the fish oil in their kids? We have tried the coromega paste and also the nordic naturals liquid. My 3.5 year old is just disgusted, but I feel it is a very important supplement. Thanks, Drew [ ] Re: sleep concerns Have you tried giving the fish oils first thing in the morning? I find the oils keep my child awake if given any time after 10am. > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 This is really interesting. I wonder why that is. We usually give earlier in the day but I did have a few up all nights and it does coincide with later doseage. Of course I never put it together until now. I thought at the time it was because we started TLP. > > > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our > developmental > > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no > results. > > > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 What are the favorite fish oil brands that everyone is using? Coromega paste, nordic naturals liquid for kids, Pro EFA? Drew Moss, CFP Private Wealth Management Summit Financial Resources, Inc. 4 Campus Drive Parsippany, NJ 07054 (Main) 973.285.3600 (Facsimile) 973.556.1291 (Cellular) 201.424.7858 [childrensapraxiane t] Re: sleep concerns Have you tried giving the fish oils first thing in the morning? I find the oils keep my child awake if given any time after 10am. > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I give my kids the Carlsons Cod Liver Oil. They actually love it and come running when I ask " Who wants their fish? " in the morning! All the kids get it, even the NT ones. It really doesn't taste bad at all. I personally liked the Coromega Lemon-Lime packets when I used them. --------- Re: [ ] Re: sleep concerns I mix the fish oils into whatever will work. I tried giving it to him straight - no go. So I started mixing into his milk - that got old for Josh after awhile. Then I mixed it into applesauce - that got old after awhile. I've been putting in his bowl with oatmeal in the a.m., or on his plate with whatever he eats for breakfast. I honestly don't think he's getting all of the fish oil but I don't think it's very much that he is missing and it's much better than none. I've been giving him fish oils for about 5, almost 6 years now and it just changes over time what works. Best suggestion, just experiment and improvise! Sherry and Josh " Drew Moss, CFP " <dmoss_cfp (DOT) com> wrote: Can somebody tell me how they get the fish oil in their kids? We have tried the coromega paste and also the nordic naturals liquid. My 3.5 year old is just disgusted, but I feel it is a very important supplement. Thanks, Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Drew -how to get fish oils in to the child http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efatips.html But that and much more is in the archives. The following archive new member/fish oils 101 will probably help: Below is a new member archived message, and an " EFA 101 basics " archived message to hopefully answer more of your questions for now (did you read The Late Talker yet?) For updated information on vitamin E and more - please visit the links section here /links What type of apraxic like speech behaviors are you seeing that makes you and the SLP suspect your child has apraxia vs. a simple delay in speech? Is your child talking at all yet? At your child's age - without speech, it's difficult to diagnose verbal apraxia -they could " suspect " verbal apraxia and begin treatment just in case, which wouldn't hurt your child if he ended up just having a simple delay. Just a few questions before we could provide more accurate answers: Does your child have signs of oral apraxia? (for example, can he on command smile, imitate funny faces, blow bubbles...if you put peanut butter anywhere around his mouth can he lick it off no matter where it is?) http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/oralapraxia.html Does your child have any neurological " soft signs " such as hypotonia or sensory integration dysfunction? http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/parentfriendlysoftsigns.html Who else evaluated your child? Was it only the SLP through your town school or was he also in Early Intervention through the state? (birth to three) Was he evaluated by both a speech pathologist as well as an occupational therapist? Was/were they knowledgeable about apraxia? (If your child wasn't diagnosed by an occupational therapist as well and professionals suspect apraxia -I highly recommend you request that too either through both the school as well as private through insurance for many reasons) To answer any questions you may have about taking your child to see a neurodevelopmental MD if he has not yet been to one and apraxia is suspected... in one word - " Yes!!! " I would have your child diagnosed (private) by a neurodevelopmental medical doctor (developmental pediatrician or pediatric neurologist) who is knowledgeable about apraxia and other neurologically based multi-faceted communication impairments for numerous reasons. Reasons include (but not limited to) *having a " hero " on the outside of the school who can assist in a therapeutic plan and oversee your child's development over the years *advocacy support with the insurance company * ruling out or confirming any neurological soft signs or any other reasons for the delay in speech *help those that ask " why isn't he talking yet " understand this is a medical condition -and has nothing to do with your child's cognitive ability. (if in your child's case it doesn't. Apraxia in itself does not affect a child's cognitive ability -and speaking early or late is no indication of a child's intelligence. Also contrary to popular belief -most who have speech impairments have average to above average intelligence) Here's an article written by Neurodevelopmental Pediatrician Dr. Marilyn Agin that was featured as a cover article in Contemporary Pediatrics - a trade magazine for hundreds of thousands of pediatric medical professionals across the US. (I wrote the parent guide) " The " late talker " -when silence isn't golden Not all children with delayed speech are " little Einsteins " or garden variety " late bloomers. " Some have a speech-language disorder that will persist unless warning signs are recognized and intervention comes early. Includes a Guide for Parents. " Cover feature article by Late Talker co-author Marilyn Agin MD http://www.contemporarypediatrics.com/contpeds/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=1327\ 20 Parent guide of article by Late Talker co-author Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Please tell me about the Vitamin E! My son has Proprioceptive Issues and has never slept through the night. He goes to sleep fine, but wakes several times each evening looking for deep pressure. He needs to squeeze my fingers to fall back asleep, but is always up again looking for the same thing. I obviously can't stand next to his bed all night and sleep deprivation is getting the better of me. If you have any insights, I would appreciate it:) > > > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am > to > > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our > developmental > > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no > results. > > > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hi My son, now 8, has never been a good sleeper. As a newborn he would wake up at 2:00am and be up for the day with only a cat nap here and there. As he matured it got a lot better and I think the vitamin e helped alot. If your son is looking for deep pressure, have you thought of a weighted blanket? I made my own by sewing tube socks filled with rice into a comforter. My son has always been a responder to weights. He sits on a therapy ball at school with a weighted stuffed dog on his lap. He has lots of proprioceptive issues and weight helps with this. The lap dog is 5lbs which seems alot but the heavier it is, the more he responds. I know they sell weighted blankets at on-line special needs stores but they are very expensive. I really can't sew but lining up tube socks filled with rice...even i managed that much to my surprise! hope this helps Sandy [ ] Re: sleep concerns Please tell me about the Vitamin E! My son has Proprioceptive Issues and has never slept through the night. He goes to sleep fine, but wakes several times each evening looking for deep pressure. He needs to squeeze my fingers to fall back asleep, but is always up again looking for the same thing. I obviously can't stand next to his bed all night and sleep deprivation is getting the better of me. If you have any insights, I would appreciate it:) > > > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am > to > > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our > developmental > > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no > results. > > > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > > > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Just my two cents: we've always given his second dose with dinner (4:00ish in our house). He's almost always snoring away before 7:00, with no night wakings. In general, my kids get a lot of sleep (almost 12 hours per night), and I wonder how other kids function on so much less. Most of our friends put their kids to bed around 8:30 or 9:00, or later. I would love to keep them up later, as they don't see Dad in the pm at all, but they are unbearable with less sleep. > > > > > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > > > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic > little > > > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for > the > > > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 > am to > > > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this > time > > > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off > of > > > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our > > developmental > > > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no > > results. > > > > > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any > suggestions? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 You can find a lot of information in under Links on this web page. There is a folder about Vit E. But the gist of it is - back last Aug 2006, our very own Dr. accidentally figured out that Vit E was helping her severely dyspraxic/apraxic son. Please go to Post #50746 to see the first post on this (this is in the folder I mentioned as well). It turns out that Vit E deficiency symptoms look very much like the signs and symptoms that afflict many of the kids discussed on this message board (speech problems, sensory problems, ataxia, etc). For us, Vit E was a miracle. My son had major vestibular and proprioceptive sensory dysfunction that was literally eliminated with the first dose of Vitamin E that he took. He needs a steady stream of it throughout the day to keep the sensory seeking at bay. Over the past 16 months we slowly increased to the dose we are at now, which is higher than most people are using. But many people see very good results at lower doses and like I said we saw results immediately. There is no good way to say what the dose should be for any particular child. All of this is anecdotal until Dr. is able to get research funding. But we started out with 200IUs d-alpha and 200mg d-gamma in the first dose. We use Vitamin World High Gamma Tocopherol that has that dose in one capsule that you can squeeze the oil out of. We have experienced that brand of Vit E does matter. So if you buy some Vitamin E and it doesn't work for you, don't give up hope, another brand might help. We have also experienced that giving d- alpha without d-gamma doesn't work for us. Plus, giving high doses of d-alpha can deplete a person's d-gamma, so you want to give some so that you don't cause a deficiency. I could go on and on, but the folder I mentioned will have most of the info you want. If you have any other questions about our experience, please feel free to ask here or on private email. You can also do a search by using " fkewatson " and see all my old posts. Most of our story is there. > > Please tell me about the Vitamin E! My son has Proprioceptive Issues > and has never slept through the night. He goes to sleep fine, but > wakes several times each evening looking for deep pressure. He needs > to squeeze my fingers to fall back asleep, but is always up again > looking for the same thing. I obviously can't stand next to his bed > all night and sleep deprivation is getting the better of me. If you > have any insights, I would appreciate it:) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Both of my children have a problem with getting a full nights sleep. One of them does as your child, he (6yo) wakes up after being sleep for about 3-4 hours. Then after waking 2-3 times, he will sleep real good just before it's time to get up. He also sweats at night and wants to sleep with an ice pack. My oldest child (8yo) has a hard time falling to sleep and did have the waking problem as the 6yo until we started the DAN protocol. I have given him melatonin but no more than 1 ml which seems to give him bad dreams and wake him. So, I stopped it and the first night he slept all the way through. One thing the DAN told me was that I need to cut all light sources out. Because even a little can interfer with sleep. We use an air purifier at night for the noise. Also, epsom salts in the a warm foot bath before bedtime, puts my two right to sleep. But, I can't get that in all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Sorry, I meant to ask if she is on Zytrec or Singular? These didn't suit my 8yo at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 She may need more than 2 mg of melatonin. The dose is not age-based and the necessary dose can vary quite a bit. You might also want to try time-release melatonin. GABA and 5HTP might also help. Have you tried giving her 5HTP at dinner time? > > I have a 3 year old daughter recently diagnosed with apraxia now > receiving ST, OT, on Omegas, Vit E. She is a very energetic little > girl who has never been a very good sleeper. Unfortunately, for the > past five months she has been tossing and turning from about 12 am to > 3 am and will usually get out of bed numerous times during this time > period. We have tried behavioral interventions, have had her off of > naps for some time, and now at the recommendation of our developmental > pediatrician, have started 2 mg of Melatonin per night with no results. > > Has anyone had to deal with this problem and if so, any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 My son used to wake up easily after going to bed when a baby and toddler. We think allergy played a role. We also think lost sleep played a role in his delays. When he goes to bed it is solid sleep now. He wakes early but gets the right amount of sleep. One thing with both of my kids though is that they wake the same time regardless of when put in for bed. Neither is big on naps but they are doing well. If melatonin does not work after adjusting dose, etc. I would consider ruling in or out food and/or environmental allergies. > > Both of my children have a problem with getting a full nights sleep. > One of them does as your child, he (6yo) wakes up after being sleep > for about 3-4 hours. Then after waking 2-3 times, he will sleep real > good just before it's time to get up. He also sweats at night and > wants to sleep with an ice pack. > > My oldest child (8yo) has a hard time falling to sleep and did have > the waking problem as the 6yo until we started the DAN protocol. I > have given him melatonin but no more than 1 ml which seems to give him > bad dreams and wake him. So, I stopped it and the first night he > slept all the way through. > > One thing the DAN told me was that I need to cut all light sources > out. Because even a little can interfer with sleep. > > We use an air purifier at night for the noise. Also, epsom salts in > the a warm foot bath before bedtime, puts my two right to sleep. But, > I can't get that in all the time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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