Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 My son just turned four and has an autism diagnosis. His speech therapists thinks he has some apraxia as well, and ariticulation is a great struggle. A few nights ago my son came into my room in the middle of the night to sleep. I was facinated by the fact that he actually talked a little bit in his sleep. An observation I made was that his articulation was the same while he was sleeping as when he is awake. Does that signal that his articulation problem is not apraxia then and more phonological mistakes perhaps due to phonological awareness? I wasn't sure if since he was asleep and his speech was subconscious if it should have been more clear and if the issues with deliberate motor planning would not have come into play then if he was apraxic??? So do apraxic children usually speak clearer when they talk in their sleep? Thanks. Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2007 Report Share Posted December 24, 2007 It's been my personal experience that my 4yo son's apraxia is much much more apparent when he is asleep. To me it reaffirms that even with the huge gains he's made in 2 years of ST that he really is still apraxic. It reminds me of how far he's come! Best Wishes, Amber --- georgies_mama <babyjjmama@...> wrote: > My son just turned four and has an autism diagnosis. > His speech > therapists thinks he has some apraxia as well, and > ariticulation is > a great struggle. > > A few nights ago my son came into my room in the > middle of the night > to sleep. I was facinated by the fact that he > actually talked a > little bit in his sleep. An observation I made was > that his > articulation was the same while he was sleeping as > when he is > awake. Does that signal that his articulation > problem is not > apraxia then and more phonological mistakes perhaps > due to > phonological awareness? I wasn't sure if since he > was asleep and > his speech was subconscious if it should have been > more clear and if > the issues with deliberate motor planning would not > have come into > play then if he was apraxic??? So do apraxic > children usually speak > clearer when they talk in their sleep? > > Thanks. > Michele > > > > Amber, SAHM to Aidan 3yo past severe refluxer and asthamatic, Current Dx Verbal Apraxia and SPD and Alyssa 7yo, NT ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 I am curious about this. I have heard before that sleep does wonders generally for our kids. I always thought that referred to strength/stamina which we don't have much of an issue here with. But, my son, when he gets good sleep, does talk more, etc. I have seen him " wake up " speechwise after TLP and the theory of that is brain reorganization so could sleep do the same thing? Also, in a gut- impaired and / or toxic kid, could a nighttime probiotic (in a kid who actually needs one) help the toxins and misplaced food get digested, the stuff move closer to its exit and allow for better speech and other abilities? > > > > My son just turned four and has an autism diagnosis. His speech > > therapists thinks he has some apraxia as well, and ariticulation is > > a great struggle. > > > > A few nights ago my son came into my room in the middle of the > night > > to sleep. I was facinated by the fact that he actually talked a > > little bit in his sleep. An observation I made was that his > > articulation was the same while he was sleeping as when he is > > awake. Does that signal that his articulation problem is not > > apraxia then and more phonological mistakes perhaps due to > > phonological awareness? I wasn't sure if since he was asleep and > > his speech was subconscious if it should have been more clear and > if > > the issues with deliberate motor planning would not have come into > > play then if he was apraxic??? So do apraxic children usually > speak > > clearer when they talk in their sleep? > > > > Thanks. > > Michele > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Thanks, please let me know what they say. Michele > > > > My son just turned four and has an autism diagnosis. His speech > > therapists thinks he has some apraxia as well, and ariticulation is > > a great struggle. > > > > A few nights ago my son came into my room in the middle of the > night > > to sleep. I was facinated by the fact that he actually talked a > > little bit in his sleep. An observation I made was that his > > articulation was the same while he was sleeping as when he is > > awake. Does that signal that his articulation problem is not > > apraxia then and more phonological mistakes perhaps due to > > phonological awareness? I wasn't sure if since he was asleep and > > his speech was subconscious if it should have been more clear and > if > > the issues with deliberate motor planning would not have come into > > play then if he was apraxic??? So do apraxic children usually > speak > > clearer when they talk in their sleep? > > > > Thanks. > > Michele > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 When my son was still almost completely non-verbal (severe apraxia) he definitely could speak clearly in his sleep. We only heard it a few times but it was startlingly well articulated and comprehensible. I figured it was a reduced need for motor planning in the dream state. Now that he is very verbal, he has developed a bad stutter, and I am curious as to whether he would lose the stutter in his sleep. We'll keep listening.... > > Hmmmm, this is an interesting question. I would guess that a child > with apraxia *could* have improved speech during sleep because the > speech would involve less volitional movement and more automatic > movement. Similar to the way singing is often " easier " for these > kiddos because the melody/music make the motor movement more > predictable and automatic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Does TLP help stutters? I know that speakeasy device helps them and it does make me wonder, as the loved one of a stutter (who was a late talker) if stuttering is a brain organization thing also. I know I have read posts and other things stating that stuttering is a separate thing but I wonder if that is not just like apraxia once was...this thing seen that " they " could not explain, does not show up on exams when folks are lucky enough to get them, etc. > > > > Hmmmm, this is an interesting question. I would guess that a child > > with apraxia *could* have improved speech during sleep because the > > speech would involve less volitional movement and more automatic > > movement. Similar to the way singing is often " easier " for these > > kiddos because the melody/music make the motor movement more > > predictable and automatic. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Ethan can often manage to say " mom " these days but it sounds like " mmmaaahhmm. " He once, many months ago, sat up in bed and said " mommy " clear as a bell though. I was amazed ... but then I realized that he was still asleep. I guess that that lends some credence to the theory. Nadine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 This is an interesting topic. My 2 year old apraxic son will talk and sing song after song while looking like he's asleep. wombatacre <wombatacre@...> wrote: When my son was still almost completely non-verbal (severe apraxia) he definitely could speak clearly in his sleep. We only heard it a few times but it was startlingly well articulated and comprehensible. I figured it was a reduced need for motor planning in the dream state. Now that he is very verbal, he has developed a bad stutter, and I am curious as to whether he would lose the stutter in his sleep. We'll keep listening.... > > Hmmmm, this is an interesting question. I would guess that a child > with apraxia *could* have improved speech during sleep because the > speech would involve less volitional movement and more automatic > movement. Similar to the way singing is often " easier " for these > kiddos because the melody/music make the motor movement more > predictable and automatic. > > > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 My 6 yr old's articulation is age appropriate on one word rehearsed words. He breaks down on new words with multiple syllables and sentences. He talks quite a bit in his sleep (so do I!) and he has always been MUCH clearer in his sleep. His syntax (word order) however is almost as messed up in sleep as it is when he's awake. This makes sense to me as in sleep the speech is automatic with no need to think about motor planning, just like when he was 2 and would blurt out a short sentence under distress (I don't wan to!) but he couldn't answer a simple question with one word when he was thinking about it. His language disorders are present all the time. Miche On Dec 24, 2007 12:25 PM, georgies_mama <babyjjmama@...> wrote: > My son just turned four and has an autism diagnosis. His speech > therapists thinks he has some apraxia as well, and ariticulation is > a great struggle. > > A few nights ago my son came into my room in the middle of the night > to sleep. I was facinated by the fact that he actually talked a > little bit in his sleep. An observation I made was that his > articulation was the same while he was sleeping as when he is > awake. Does that signal that his articulation problem is not > apraxia then and more phonological mistakes perhaps due to > phonological awareness? I wasn't sure if since he was asleep and > his speech was subconscious if it should have been more clear and if > the issues with deliberate motor planning would not have come into > play then if he was apraxic??? So do apraxic children usually speak > clearer when they talk in their sleep? > > Thanks. > Michele > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 The stuttering thing rings true for my Godson. He stutters on the phone. He is fine in person but was not always. He actually stopped stuttering in conversation once he learned to read which he is excellemt at. Makes sense with some of the other posts where it is discussed how creative these kids are and when Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 This all helps me understand my son soooo much better right now!! He'll be 3 in Feb and was diagnosed with apraxia last month. Just recently he started doing what I thought (at first) might be echolalia. But, now I'm certain it's just part of the apraxia. When he and his sisters are playing he's just started repeating the last word they say just as clearly as any other kid his age. We've all been completely blown away by some of the words we hear when he's playing. BUT, he can't say them when we ask and he never uses the words. He reverts right back to using sign language and made-up gesturing for functional language. Tonight we were at a dinner party. I didn't hear this, but the hostess told me he said " I want pasta " very clearly. I honestly thought she was joking with me because he has NEVER said " I want " , much less a full sentence. All night long I've tried to get him to just say pasta and it comes out as some sounds that I can't even figure out how to type out--sounds nothing like the word pasta. He's been confusing me lately! But, after reading this thread and all about automatic speech versus planned speech it makes a little more sense. I guess " I want pasta " just kind of slipped out of his mouth when he was under stress? But, he can't say it again because now he's actually TRYING to say it? Same with repeating words the girls say during play, right? This disorder is incredibly frustrating! You hear little bits and pieces of real speech from your child here and there.....so you KNOW it's in there! It's so frustrating not being able to get it out. Of course, I can't imagine how frustrating this must feel to him. Dh and I were recently talking about how it would be to go through life feeling like you are always playing charades. It's obvious that ds is smart. It has to take an amazing amount of brain power to come up with some of the gestures/acting out he does to get his point across. Maybe that's why apraxic kids are so creative.....they get used to having to lean on their creative abilities to communicate what they are thinking. Bridget > > > My son just turned four and has an autism diagnosis. His speech > > therapists thinks he has some apraxia as well, and ariticulation is > > a great struggle. > > > > A few nights ago my son came into my room in the middle of the night > > to sleep. I was facinated by the fact that he actually talked a > > little bit in his sleep. An observation I made was that his > > articulation was the same while he was sleeping as when he is > > awake. Does that signal that his articulation problem is not > > apraxia then and more phonological mistakes perhaps due to > > phonological awareness? I wasn't sure if since he was asleep and > > his speech was subconscious if it should have been more clear and if > > the issues with deliberate motor planning would not have come into > > play then if he was apraxic??? So do apraxic children usually speak > > clearer when they talk in their sleep? > > > > Thanks. > > Michele > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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