Re: Constipation and other ?????

February 6, 2008

Fish oil may contribute to a problem but I do not think it would

cause it. The sugary chewable and calmag, if you have an underlying

fluoride issue, are suspects. Food allergy also. Lastly, prior

enzymatic breakdown may be at play.

I would be looking for a probiotic that gets to the end of the bowel

as well. All guesses from a nondoc as you know.

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I have a few questions regarding constipation, as well as some

other things.

>

> First of all, my son has been having some issues again with

constipation (no bowel movements for several days; but he's not

complaining of pain, either). I'd like to know if any of the

supplements may be causing it. Although I doubt supplements are the

cause, I'd like to check to " make sure " .

>

> the following is a list of supplements that I give my son each day:

>

> NN Omega 3-6-9 (two caps)

> NN Arctic Cod Liver Oil (1 tsp)

> Kirkmans Calcium Magnesium Liquid (2 tsp)

> 1 mulitvitamin (Flintstones Chewable.....I have the super nu thera,

but can't get him to take it (no matter what I do.....so he's back on

the flintstones

> Chewable Acidophilius by American Health - a dose every two days to

start.

>

> **Would Vit. E help with constipation??

>

> We're also doing gfcf diet. He's completely milk free, but does

get gluten and wheat from time to time. It's been a slow and steady

process for us. Our progress is steady, and we're very close to

being gluten/wheat free.

>

> **I'm wondering if any of the above can cause constipation??

>

> **Does having a clean diet, then an infraction create the

constipation??

>

> **Is the the natural progression of the gfcf diet.....constipation

from time to time.

>

> We've had labs (through healthcare) done, with nothing significant

noted. We're having more done through the DAN. My son's bowel

movements are often green or greenish. The DAN said that this was

probably from malabsorption of bile resulting from inflamation of the

intestines. Does anyone here have any experience with this as well??

>

> Thanks so much

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.

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February 6, 2008

Constipation is a sign of heavy metal toxicity.

I suggest you go to www.kirkmanlabs.com - it is a company that

specializes in the DAN protocal and thus, very clearly it is an

outstanding source for nearly all your supplements. They carry the

NN brand of omegas.

This was a stubborn problem with my son too. The single one thing

that made all the difference is.. drum roll VITAMIN C!!!! Kirkman

makes a chewable tablet. Start with 250 mg and move on up, you can't

o.d. on Vit C. you will however, find your threshold when the childs

poops become soft. This is the single one thing that keeps my kids

poops normal and somewhat regular.

When he's off vit C - his poops look like hard little marbles and

goes every 2 to 3 days - no complaints ever. On Vit C - nearly

normally formed and darn close to daily.

It is CRITICALLY important that you resolve the consitpation. If you

are managing to move the heavy metals you certainly don't want them

to sit in the bowels, only to reabsorb.

If you try this, please post your results.

On another - DROP the Flintstones... Here's how to get the

supernuthera into your kid.

Get one of those dropper type medicine dispensors. It has a bulb tip

and a plastic measuring attachment. The liquid vits - I fill the

plastic part and attach the bulb tip. I come from behind him and

slip the tip into his mouth and squirt it slowly into his mouth.

For the vit's you have to crush. My son hates the taste of citrus -

so he won't chew the chewable C's. No problem. I buy those littel

paper dixie cups. I crush (I use a meat tendering hammer) the

tablets and put that into the cup. I also give my boy several

capsules - which I simply open into the cup. I take a little organic

pear juice (good choice - low glycemic) and then with the med

dispenser I mix it sucking it up and down until the liquid is

completely disolved.

Who cares if it's truly palatable. You are the mommy, and he needs

these vitamins. period. I only put a small amt of juice, so it's

really not a lot of volume yuck.

I generally bear hug the kid (like you do when doing a blood draw)

and go dropper by dropper until the mixture is gone. You can

regulate how much is coming out of the dropper, go slow and he won't

choke.

I'll have a cup of water nearby so he can have a little chaser.

Done this way,you know he's getting the full dose.

In the very beginning... when I though no way could I do this... a

woman who runs a daycare showed me her method. It looked barbaric,

but I did it and soon, didn't need this method. In the really tough

case - try this;

Lay kid on back, you sit (without your weight) on top of the child -

arms are under you- they can't get out. You slowly squirt the

dropper into the childs mouth. Slowly.

It took about a week of this method - and my kid was fine with

anything I put into his mouth via the dropper method.

I woudn't use Flintstones... some commercial vitamins have heavy

metals in them.

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > I have a few questions regarding constipation, as well as some

> other things.

> >

> > First of all, my son has been having some issues again with

> constipation (no bowel movements for several days; but he's not

> complaining of pain, either). I'd like to know if any of the

> supplements may be causing it. Although I doubt supplements are

the

> cause, I'd like to check to " make sure " .

> >

> > the following is a list of supplements that I give my son each

day:

> >

> > NN Omega 3-6-9 (two caps)

> > NN Arctic Cod Liver Oil (1 tsp)

> > Kirkmans Calcium Magnesium Liquid (2 tsp)

> > 1 mulitvitamin (Flintstones Chewable.....I have the super nu

thera,

> but can't get him to take it (no matter what I do.....so he's back

on

> the flintstones

> > Chewable Acidophilius by American Health - a dose every two days

to

> start.

> >

> > **Would Vit. E help with constipation??

> >

> > We're also doing gfcf diet. He's completely milk free, but does

> get gluten and wheat from time to time. It's been a slow and

steady

> process for us. Our progress is steady, and we're very close to

> being gluten/wheat free.

> >

> > **I'm wondering if any of the above can cause constipation??

> >

> > **Does having a clean diet, then an infraction create the

> constipation??

> >

> > **Is the the natural progression of the gfcf

diet.....constipation

> from time to time.

> >

> > We've had labs (through healthcare) done, with nothing

significant

> noted. We're having more done through the DAN. My son's bowel

> movements are often green or greenish. The DAN said that this was

> probably from malabsorption of bile resulting from inflamation of

the

> intestines. Does anyone here have any experience with this as

well??

> >

> > Thanks so much

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.

> > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?

> ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

> >

February 6, 2008

Thanks thanks thanks this is a lot of good info

@...: renee@...: Wed, 6 Feb

2008 17:46:49 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: Constipation and other

?????

Constipation is a sign of heavy metal toxicity. I suggest you go to

www.kirkmanlabs.com - it is a company that specializes in the DAN protocal and

thus, very clearly it is an outstanding source for nearly all your supplements.

They carry the NN brand of omegas.This was a stubborn problem with my son too.

The single one thing that made all the difference is.. drum roll VITAMIN C!!!!

Kirkman makes a chewable tablet. Start with 250 mg and move on up, you can't

o.d. on Vit C. you will however, find your threshold when the childs poops

become soft. This is the single one thing that keeps my kids poops normal and

somewhat regular. When he's off vit C - his poops look like hard little marbles

and goes every 2 to 3 days - no complaints ever. On Vit C - nearly normally

formed and darn close to daily.It is CRITICALLY important that you resolve the

consitpation. If you are managing to move the heavy metals you certainly don't

want them to sit in the bowels, only to reabsorb.If you try this, please post

your results.On another - DROP the Flintstones... Here's how to get the

supernuthera into your kid.Get one of those dropper type medicine dispensors. It

has a bulb tip and a plastic measuring attachment. The liquid vits - I fill the

plastic part and attach the bulb tip. I come from behind him and slip the tip

into his mouth and squirt it slowly into his mouth. For the vit's you have to

crush. My son hates the taste of citrus - so he won't chew the chewable C's. No

problem. I buy those littel paper dixie cups. I crush (I use a meat tendering

hammer) the tablets and put that into the cup. I also give my boy several

capsules - which I simply open into the cup. I take a little organic pear juice

(good choice - low glycemic) and then with the med dispenser I mix it sucking it

up and down until the liquid is completely disolved. Who cares if it's truly

palatable. You are the mommy, and he needs these vitamins. period. I only put a

small amt of juice, so it's really not a lot of volume yuck. I generally bear

hug the kid (like you do when doing a blood draw) and go dropper by dropper

until the mixture is gone. You can regulate how much is coming out of the

dropper, go slow and he won't choke. I'll have a cup of water nearby so he can

have a little chaser.Done this way,you know he's getting the full dose. In the

very beginning... when I though no way could I do this... a woman who runs a

daycare showed me her method. It looked barbaric, but I did it and soon, didn't

need this method. In the really tough case - try this;Lay kid on back, you sit

(without your weight) on top of the child - arms are under you- they can't get

out. You slowly squirt the dropper into the childs mouth. Slowly. It took about

a week of this method - and my kid was fine with anything I put into his mouth

via the dropper method. I woudn't use Flintstones... some commercial vitamins

have heavy metals in them. > >> > > > Hi Everyone,> > > > I have a few questions regarding

constipation, as well as some > other things.> > > > First of all, my son has

been having some issues again with > constipation (no bowel movements for

several days; but he's not > complaining of pain, either). I'd like to know if

any of the > supplements may be causing it. Although I doubt supplements are the

> cause, I'd like to check to " make sure " .> > > > the following is a list of

supplements that I give my son each day:> > > > NN Omega 3-6-9 (two caps)> > NN

Arctic Cod Liver Oil (1 tsp)> > Kirkmans Calcium Magnesium Liquid (2 tsp)> > 1

mulitvitamin (Flintstones Chewable.....I have the super nu thera, > but can't

get him to take it (no matter what I do.....so he's back on > the flintstones> >

Chewable Acidophilius by American Health - a dose every two days to > start.> >

> > **Would Vit. E help with constipation??> > > > We're also doing gfcf diet.

He's completely milk free, but does > get gluten and wheat from time to time.

It's been a slow and steady > process for us. Our progress is steady, and we're

very close to > being gluten/wheat free.> > > > **I'm wondering if any of the

above can cause constipation??> > > > **Does having a clean diet, then an

infraction create the > constipation??> > > > **Is the the natural progression

of the gfcf diet.....constipation > from time to time.> > > > We've had labs

(through healthcare) done, with nothing significant > noted. We're having more

done through the DAN. My son's bowel > movements are often green or greenish.

The DAN said that this was > probably from malabsorption of bile resulting from

inflamation of the > intestines. Does anyone here have any experience with this

as well??> > > > Thanks so much> > > > > > > > > >

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February 6, 2008

This is helpful but I am curios. Doesn't constipation mean different

things. Like, rock poop is more metal related or at least more

concerning that constipation resulting in softer poop or is it simply

still a metal matter but a different metal involved?

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > I have a few questions regarding constipation, as well as some

> > other things.

> > >

> > > First of all, my son has been having some issues again with

> > constipation (no bowel movements for several days; but he's not

> > complaining of pain, either). I'd like to know if any of the

> > supplements may be causing it. Although I doubt supplements are

> the

> > cause, I'd like to check to " make sure " .

> > >

> > > the following is a list of supplements that I give my son each

> day:

> > >

> > > NN Omega 3-6-9 (two caps)

> > > NN Arctic Cod Liver Oil (1 tsp)

> > > Kirkmans Calcium Magnesium Liquid (2 tsp)

> > > 1 mulitvitamin (Flintstones Chewable.....I have the super nu

> thera,

> > but can't get him to take it (no matter what I do.....so he's

back

> on

> > the flintstones

> > > Chewable Acidophilius by American Health - a dose every two

days

> to

> > start.

> > >

> > > **Would Vit. E help with constipation??

> > >

> > > We're also doing gfcf diet. He's completely milk free, but

does

> > get gluten and wheat from time to time. It's been a slow and

> steady

> > process for us. Our progress is steady, and we're very close to

> > being gluten/wheat free.

> > >

> > > **I'm wondering if any of the above can cause constipation??

> > >

> > > **Does having a clean diet, then an infraction create the

> > constipation??

> > >

> > > **Is the the natural progression of the gfcf

> diet.....constipation

> > from time to time.

> > >

> > > We've had labs (through healthcare) done, with nothing

> significant

> > noted. We're having more done through the DAN. My son's bowel

> > movements are often green or greenish. The DAN said that this

was

> > probably from malabsorption of bile resulting from inflamation of

> the

> > intestines. Does anyone here have any experience with this as

> well??

> > >

> > > Thanks so much

> > >

_________________________________________________________________

> > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.

> > > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?

> > ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

> > >

February 6, 2008

liz - i'm sure constipation means different things but if you hang

out on chelatingkids2 long enough - can't help but learn.

All the biomed mom's should really check into chelatingkids2 - this

group is incredible.

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I have a few questions regarding constipation, as well as

some

> > > other things.

> > > >

> > > > First of all, my son has been having some issues again with

> > > constipation (no bowel movements for several days; but he's not

> > > complaining of pain, either). I'd like to know if any of the

> > > supplements may be causing it. Although I doubt supplements

are

> > the

> > > cause, I'd like to check to " make sure " .

> > > >

> > > > the following is a list of supplements that I give my son

each

> > day:

> > > >

> > > > NN Omega 3-6-9 (two caps)

> > > > NN Arctic Cod Liver Oil (1 tsp)

> > > > Kirkmans Calcium Magnesium Liquid (2 tsp)

> > > > 1 mulitvitamin (Flintstones Chewable.....I have the super nu

> > thera,

> > > but can't get him to take it (no matter what I do.....so he's

> back

> > on

> > > the flintstones

> > > > Chewable Acidophilius by American Health - a dose every two

> days

> > to

> > > start.

> > > >

> > > > **Would Vit. E help with constipation??

> > > >

> > > > We're also doing gfcf diet. He's completely milk free, but

> does

> > > get gluten and wheat from time to time. It's been a slow and

> > steady

> > > process for us. Our progress is steady, and we're very close

to

> > > being gluten/wheat free.

> > > >

> > > > **I'm wondering if any of the above can cause constipation??

> > > >

> > > > **Does having a clean diet, then an infraction create the

> > > constipation??

> > > >

> > > > **Is the the natural progression of the gfcf

> > diet.....constipation

> > > from time to time.

> > > >

> > > > We've had labs (through healthcare) done, with nothing

> > significant

> > > noted. We're having more done through the DAN. My son's bowel

> > > movements are often green or greenish. The DAN said that this

> was

> > > probably from malabsorption of bile resulting from inflamation

of

> > the

> > > intestines. Does anyone here have any experience with this as

> > well??

> > > >

> > > > Thanks so much

> > > >

> _________________________________________________________________

> > > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.

> > > > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?

> > > ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

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February 6, 2008

Hi Janice

What do you mean when you say, " they will soon go toxic from the build up of

amonia " ?? What happens in this event??

@...: jscott@...: Wed, 6

Feb 2008 11:21:25 -0800Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Constipation and

other ?????

OH.... I have to agree with this, there is nothing like Vitamin C to chase away

constipation!Someone on this list told me to squeeze fresh orange juice (consume

within 15 minutes of squeezing) and this has remained a mainstay for us when we

suffer constipation. Luckily, with all of our dietary changes and gut healing,

we no longer suffer from it. When we had really severe times, such as your son

is experiencing right now, I fed my son a bowl (or two) of cherries and it

absolutely gets things a flowing! (Careful or you will get diarrhea with too

much)Vitamin C (buffered poweder) can be added to a nice healthy fruit smoothie

and you literally can increase it until you start getting a touch of diarrhea,

then back off slightly and you will have found your regular daily dosage.In

addition, magnesium helps to get the bowels moving as well.It is imperitive that

our children have regular, daily bowel movements or they will soon go toxic from

the build up of amonia.

February 6, 2008

I did look for a while. We have a much more junior level thing going

on here for lack of a better term. I think our issue is that I

accidentally detoxed a lot out of daughter (I have specific ideas of

what it was but no one will believe me and I have no testing yet to

back me up so I will stay silent just yet) a bit ago. Bowels have

been different since then. She needs enzymes to level out I think but

you know what...I am not a a doc. We finally found the right DAN. Big

on the China study, can talk good stuff so hubby, the scientist, is

on board and I have seen her protocols in action: conservative,

sensible, and impressive...no regressions...slow and steady. This

kid is not my speech kid and is on her way out of this. We may need

more for my boy. I hope not. If we do I'd only trust Dr. Usman. She

is the only DAN who gets fluorisis. The good thing about fluorisis

and lead, the suspects in my boy, are that those are chelated in the

mainstream. If I am stuck with that measure I have more studied

science. Thing is, in the mainstream and the DAN world, no chelated

kids have been as mild as even my boy. This I know. Not sure what it

means but I am not waiting for him to grow into something. First we

do the conservative route and pray that is enough. If we must chelate

then I will not do so for at least one year, in the winter where in

NJ, according to one article on vitamin D, our bones excrete lead on

their own. That would make a pull more fruitful. One step at a time.

I am not running at any of this but I am not going to sit by and wait

for the osteosarcoma found in the boys who drank the water mine did.

Those boys though, did not go on diet, etc. so perhaps we can avoid

chelation. We will know after testing, etc. I hope so.

>

> liz - i'm sure constipation means different things but if you hang

> out on chelatingkids2 long enough - can't help but learn.

>

> All the biomed mom's should really check into chelatingkids2 - this

> group is incredible.

February 6, 2008

Basically ammonia build up makes them high and does a number on the

body. Not good for organs, health, etc.

C or buffered C?

>

> Hi Janice

>

> What do you mean when you say, " they will soon go toxic from the

build up of amonia " ?? What happens in this event??

>

February 6, 2008

Remember I am not a doc but this is how I understand it:

In truth, I am not really sure of the exact symptoms but many of the DAN

Webcasts I have seen speak of the amonia that these kids are producing inside of

their bodies and how this really turns into a heavy toxic load and is extremely

overwhelming to the children.

The amonia in the BM's is basicly sitting in the bowel ready to be excreted but

it has become impacted. The child experiences the pain of constipation. The BM

is full of amonia which slowly rises up the bowel into the entire system and

thus further poisens the child; it enters the system in the same way that a

suppository would enter the child's system; it travels upwards. Apparently

between constipation and diarrhea.... constipation is definately the worst of

the lot because of the amonia excretion. It is a true poisen and is extremely

neurotoxic.

Janice

February 6, 2008

Janice you are Dr. Mom! To me -the jury is out on this toxic ammonia

poop and even if it's part true -it sounds a bit alarmist and fuzzy.

We all know 'not' moving the bowels will cause a toxin build up

(don't we?) as we know what " waste " is - even without the theory of

ammonia build up if you don't go daily. Perhaps I'm getting this

theory wrong. Anyway -even though most prefer daily -that's not

what is normal for all. As a mom of a former constipated to the

point of panic on our part -seek a pediatric gastroenterologist if

this concerns you - but please don't play one at home.

http://www.afraidtoask.com/bowel/defecate.html

Constipation for some reason is not unusual -so here's an archive on

that from 2004. Since around 9 years old -actually check the

archives since Dr. -no more constipation. That's without

medication too. We used to use the following dietary changes as

mentioned through the years and we had to or 'constipation' once

again -but Tanner no longer even drinks POM juice everyday as he did

for years -and still fine!

So in my opinion -don't wait -if this is an issue -pediatric

gastroenterologist!!!! (and of course if you can see Dr. -

don't hesitate too!)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive

When my son Tanner was first diagnosed with apraxia 8 years ago -

constipation was one of the many issues considered by another apraxia

group as [OFF TOPIC] Since it wasn't talked about -I too thought

that the constipation was a separate issue from the apraxia...it

appears that's not the case. We know that apraxia (like autism) is

multifaceted -and even though it appears constipation is another

possible symptom- we don't know for sure the reason. Motor planning

could be part of the equation (the trouble in doing something on

command) Below are two archives on constipation that may help newer

parents and professionals in this group understand what we've been

seeing for years.

It's actually shocking how many children in this group are late to

potty train -and then develop constipation once they do potty train.

Below is a long archive on this. I can give hope in adding that my

son Tanner who had suffered from this horrible condition for years

has been regular just about ever since we saw Dr. ...and we only

had to see him once and then once for follow up - and that was years

ago now at this point. I still highly recommend him. Today Tanner

just drinks Pom Wonderful each day (in addition to his fish oils and

vitamin E of course)

Here's the archive:

Tina I'm sure you read this before -but as you know my son Tanner

regressed on high fiber so careful with that. Below is the archive

I've posted many times before on this.

Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist MD)

5325 Greenwood Ave

West Palm Beach Florida

561 840 1960

" Dr. said....due to what I reported with Tanner's regression

with too much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is

possible that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. "

If you go the higher fiber route -perhaps try giving the high fiber

a different time of day then the fish oils. Didn't say on my last

update that of course Tanner's still on the 4 ProEFA and 2 ProEPA

every day.

Today all we use to prevent constipation is the Pom Wonderful juice

every day -just a small amount too. http://www.pomwonderful.com/

Last Christmas we flew to NY and didn't give him any Pom juice while

we were there and he got constipated. That was the only time we

needed to use the Cherry Milk of Magnesia in the recent past

http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm

But before the POM -there was a road to normal -and this archive has

that history. Note...you can try the alternative approaches posted

here as most of us do -but as you'll read below like me you may be

horrified to learn that some of them may be more harmful then worth

it. If you are looking for a traditional MD who is open to

alternatives if they work and are benign as a first try prior to

medication I'd highly say it is worth flying to see Dr. who we

only had to see twice -but who helped us immensely even at the first

visit. Thank you once again Dr. ! We are happy not to see you

again! (and I mean that in the nicest way of course!)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:52 pm

Subject: Re: constipation - what kind of nectar?

Hi Tricia -sorry I missed your call and not sure if it's too late to

call you now.

We mainly use pear nectar and fruit cups, and papaya nectar and Dole

Fruit 'n Gels®, Reduced Sugar, Papaya in Peach Gel

Problem is even though they are still in our stores here in Florida -

I don't see them on the Dole website which means they may be

discontinued and soon to be missing from store shelves? (NO!)

http://www.dole.com/foodservice/products/pack.fruitngel.jsp

I had asked Tanner's doctor, Dr. why more MDs don't recommend

nutritional

interventions to the constipation and he said " And how long did I

just spend with you? " Yes it took a few hours! Anyway -you guys can

know all I do in a few minutes -(the time it takes to write a

prescription)

and just in case you are interested -

I have Dr. contact information below. I highly recommend him.

Lawrence MD (pediatric gastroenterologist MD)

5325 Greenwood Ave

West Palm Beach Florida

561 840 1960

Here are a few archives with more information on this.

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sat Feb 7, 2004 7:19 pm

Subject: Re: high fiber regression/constipation

Hi Joanne,

I first thought of aloe too, and then found the senna tea to work

for Tanner, but when I posted it here was told how bad senna is for

children and especially with long term use. (thank you!!)

The advice I heard here was confirmed by Tanner's pediatric

gastroenterologist Dr. from West Palm Beach Florida.

Dr. who told me that senna, and harsh stimulants like it

(which include aloe) are harsh on the body, and that they may work

for a bit, but you will gradually need more and more for it to

work.

Dr. advised me that the gentlest laxative is the Milk

of Magnesia because it just draws moisture to the bowels and works

the most like mother nature. Tanner likes the cherry flavored Milk

of Magnesia. MOM is " stimulant free "

" ' Milk of Magnesia has provided effective, stimulant-free

relief of constipation for over 125 years. Unlike some other

laxatives, doctor recommended ' Milk of Magnesia does not

contain the harsh stimulants that can cause pain and cramping. When

taken at a lower dose, ' can also be used for fast-acting

relief of acid indigestion, sour stomach, and heartburn. Available

in Mint, Cherry, and Original formulas. "

http://www.bayercare.com/htm/philmom.htm

And what you need to read about aloe:

FDA Rules that Aloe & Cascara Are Not Safe as Stimulant Laxatives

Date

November 20, 2002

Details

The FDA issued a final ruling on Nov 5, 2002, stating that the

stimulant laxative ingredients aloe (including extract and flower

extract) and cascara sagrada (including all fluidextracts, bark and

casanthranol) in over-the-counter drug products are not generally

recognized as safe and effective or are misbranded. The FDA pointed

out that there is inadequate data on the toxicity of aloe and

cascara sagrada. These products have not been shown to be safe and

effective for their intended use. These ingredients should be

eliminated from general use within 180 days

http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/12015.cfm

" herbal teas containing senna, aloe, buckthorn, and other plant-

derived laxatives that, when consumed in excessive amounts, can

cause diarrhea, vomiting, nausea, stomach cramps, chronic

constipation, fainting, and perhaps death. "

http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/health/teatime/597_tea.html

And again -an archive about what the traditional gastroenterologist

Dr. " prescribed " for Tanner which is working (just wish he

didn't have to drink nectar every day!):

" This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor

planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about

anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel

bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !!

> Today I took Tanner to see pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence

> MD from Palm Beach Florida for Tanner's problem with

> constipation which we have been trying to help him with now for

the

> past 5 years or more with various MDs (Tanner is now 7) Up till

now

> nobody has wanted to put Tanner on medications -and since we've

> moved we haven't taken Tanner to see his NJ/NY MDs. I highly

> recommend Dr. if you are in Florida in that he took over an

> hour with us -was excellent with Tanner (very funny) and was very

> open to discussing off the wall theories on constipation in

apraxic

> children -a best kept secret even though it's known for autism.

Dr.

> has many patients with special needs -some with severe CP

> whose parents have to blend fruits for their constipation that

they

> can put through their feeding tube.

>

> Here is a brief summery from the prescription he gave me:

>

> Diet: Nectars (fruit juices) Papaya, pear, apricot (if he can

> stand it -can mix with others but try plain nectar first)

> * prune juice -can be mixed with orange juice (since most kids

don't

> like it)

>

> exotic fruits- figs, dates, apricot, papaya (papaya underlined

> twice) (if he can stand it -like the nectars -these work wonders

he

> said)

>

> limit -banana, apple, rice, dairy

>

> Milk of Magnesia 2-3 tablespoons with glass of water any time he

> skips 1 day. Works 4-8 hours.

>

> Behavior Modification -10 minutes daily -no distractions. Use

> calendar stickers -every week reward for amount of BMs

> 2/ week something small

> 3-4 medium

> 5-7 large reward

>

> Dr. said that there is a chance that the problem could be

> motor planning -but he can't fix that -his goal is to get Tanner

on

> a schedule for a long period of time so that he starts going

> automatically. He doesn't want me to use the Nature's Tea due to

> the senna in it -said it can cause dependence in long term use,

and

> said that due to what I reported with Tanner's regression with too

> much fiber not to use high fiber either. He said it is possible

> that the fiber is cutting short the fatty acids in the gut. "

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Wed Dec 3, 2003 9:37 pm

Subject: Re: constipation/ new info on Probiotic -

Hi -lots more on this in the archives. Dr. is a

traditional pediatric gastroenterologist MD too -go figure!

Lawrence MD

5325 Greenwood Ave

West Palm Beach Florida

561 840 1960

Tanner is picky about which nectar he'll drink or it's " ewww " he

loves the pear nectar from a company from Belgium called Looza which

I'm dreading our local stores stop stocking and have already spoken

personally to about 4 store managers to beg them to keep carrying

it, and a papaya nectar from s " all natural " that looks like

someone bottles it in their garage and drives it to the store

themselves -not sure if it's distributed anywhere else:

s Tropical Plantation

6550 Okeechobee Blvd

West Palm Beach, FL 33411-2798

United States

Mr. Henry s

President

Tel: 561-683-4701

Fax: 561-683-4993

Hey just looked up Looza online and apparently it's owned by

Tropicana which is not far from me either!

http://www.copyshark.com/samples/TropWSamples2.html

I send Tanner to school with these little cans of Libby pear nectar

and a dole fruit and gel with papaya (that he actually likes but is

now getting sick of)

We give him some nectar for breakfast, some for lunch -at least

twice a day. Speaking of bananas which he used to love -I stopped

buying them all the time like I did before -we've cut down his rice

and milk -and that's about it. If he misses a day we give him 3

tablespoons of the strawberry Milk of Magnesia like Dr.

suggested, and it works -but that's not often he misses now.

Speaking of missing -you must have missed my answer to you!

" From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:15 am

Subject: Re: constipation

Wow thanks for this comprehensive lesson about the gut!

I just wanted to add that in a nutshell -out of our couple of hour

appointment with pediatric gastroenterologist Lawrence MD from

Palm Beach Florida, we covered much of what you talked about.

I just want to clarify that Dr. did not recommend juice, and

that I can tell you that for Tanner juice did not work. Dr.

recommended the nectars -specifically papaya, pear, apricot etc....

We use a mixture of pear, papaya and mango nectar -heavy on the

pear. Here is a bit about each:

" Fresh papaya is probably the finest healing food in the world. It

is anti-inflammatory, detoxifying, has enzymes which can decompose

toxic matter, and help digest foods eaten so as to get more

nutrients out of them for feeding the cells of the body. It is

literally the finest anti aging food known and can even help prevent

wrinkles...

Pear nectar flushes the liver gallbladder, removes gout and other

acid accumulation and prevents constipation. Two 6 oz glasses a day

between meals is the appropriate amount for most individuals. "

http://www.timeforhealth.com/foods.html ... "

There was much more on that one, and here is from another archived

message:

" Many of our kids (sorry all the potty training stage people to break

this to you) that potty trained as a group a bit later (around 4)

due to the muscle control weakness from the low tone(it's not in

their control) then have constipation problems for the same reason -

constipation.

Based on how well and quick this worked -I'm guessing that there may

be some psychological fear aspects that are at play in our kids

too. They have a painful experience (you know what I mean if you

know what I mean) and then they are afraid to go so they hold it in.

This also may have to do with some signaling problem or motor

planning aspect. Not sure -but who cares when anyone just about

anywhere can pick up pear nectar or Dole papaya fruit and gel

bowls! This works -and we love Dr. !!

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:32 am

Subject: Re: constipation

Hi !

Tanner is tired of the gels too. But I was told by Dr. that

we need to keep him on a daily regimen of going every day for at

least a few months to have the best possible chance of getting him

regular. Like Tanner -your children are old enough to have this

explained to them. So like it or not -Tanner is forced to drink the

nectars and eat the gel -and not just once a day either. He needs

nectar at least two to three times a day for it to work -and it's

working (so worth it).

Dr. told me " at some point you will get lax about it -and

he'll get constipated again -and once he does -it will start all

over. I'm just warning you because I see it happen. " I know why he

said this -most parents don't listen. Don't have to warn me twice -

there is no way in heck I want to be standing with a phone in my

hand wondering if I should call 911 while my son is crying and

screaming in extreme pain sitting on the toilet after I've tried all

I could think of to get it out and Glenn wasn't home. You don't

know until you know.

How do we keep him from getting bored? When you go to a restaurant -

ask them to make a fancy fruit mix drink for your child and put all

the fancy umbrellas and fruits in it like it's a mixed drink -they

don't use nectars -but they typically make them very sweet for the

kids. Then when you get home -buy a bunch of different nectars and

fruit juices and mix saying you will try to make the same thing for

them. This is what we did and it worked. Now I typically just give

Tanner the pear and papaya nectar mixed -heavy on the pear since he

likes the taste of that more (and it also works) Again -if Tanner

misses a day -he gets 3 tablespoons of Strawberry Flavored Milk of

Magnesia -like other kids he hated the mint -he loves the

strawberry -and I also saw they have chocolate -but didn't try it

since I know Tanner likes the one we have. Dr. told me " Don't

travel without the Milk of Magnesia, don't forget to bring it with

you if you are going on vacation " and we won't! Not every store

carries the Strawberry -the only flavor I know for sure Tanner likes.

For those of you that don't have pear or papaya nectar by you -I'd

call and see if you can order it online. I just checked net grocer

http://www.netgrocer.com and they carry pear and papaya nectar, but

not the brand we use -Looza. Tanner loves the Looza nectars -but we

also use the Kerns and Goya when we travel which they have. They

have the Dole fruit gels (I'd call and ask if they have papaya -

didn't see it but maybe they can get it? They also have the Milk of

Magnesia in chocolate and french vanilla -two flavors we haven't

tried - and they even had papaya babyfood! Hmm -I haven't tried

that one either -glad I looked for you guys!) Perhaps for variety?

Tanner too doesn't like fresh or dried papaya.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive

=====

February 7, 2008

,

We used that Pom juice as well for quite some time this fall as a way to

maintain regularity. Did I get that idea from you? Anyway, it did work quite

well. I have also added Acai juice to our list of great anti-oxident juices

that we use. Again, vitamin C really gets the motility going for constipation.

I do agree with you about the part about seeing a GI doctor if your child is not

pooping regularly and you are suffering extreme constipation. We, in Canada,

have extremely long wait lists for specialists (3-6 months) and I had actually

resolved most of Mark's constipation issues prior to any appointments so we

ended up cancelling. Fortunately, while Marks constipation was painful, he was

'going'. Yet, the pain was so severe that he was sometimes howling through the

night in agony.... not fun. Epsom Salts baths turned out to be a godsend for

this issue and relieved his immediate pain.

Mark was a bit of a dyspraxic oddity for he potty trained right on schedule at

2.5 years old. He had some 'explosive' diapers when he was a child (quite a few

actually) but I didn't think too much of it. His 'poop' issues did not begin

until he was about 8 or 9 years old. This started with diarrhea and then once

we removed milk products, became constipation. The constipation was extreme and

painful and really did not subside until we removed all of the 'artificials'

from his diet. Once this was done on a permanent basis, the constipation went

away.

BUT.... I have to wonder if our children don't suffer from poor motility and

such just as they suffer from hypotonia and motor planning issues as well. We

do have a tendency to focus on the systems we can see and that are measurable

(ie. academics) rather than the internal system which remains a mystery to all.

It is bad for a youngster to go days without a bowel movement and the moms on

this board should be seeing a specialist if they are having this issue with

their child as it is not healthy. While some children suffer it with no

apparent consequences, having an impaction in the bowels warrants medical

attention. Until that doctor visit is attended, the moms need to work on

getting the child regular. If they can resolve it on their own, then the doctor

visit becomes unnecessary. Once you get it resolved and under control, there

are other 'side' benefits such as the child sleeping through the night.....

which I very much enjoyed!

Janice

Re: constipation