Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 hi, my son was 2 1/2 when he started e.i. we were approved for 1x/week for 1 hour. when i met the therapist, she told me that she was familiar with and had worked with several children with verval apraxia before. i was happy & she was terrific! anyway...i felt my son needed more sessions, so i called his coordinator. he was approved 1 more hour/week..the only problem was that his present therapist did not have any more hours available, so i had to have the coordinator find him another one. when the therapist came to the house, i asked him if he was familiar/worked with children with verbal apraxia, and he said no. he asked me how the other therapist works with my son & when i told him what she does (which was alot of oral motor exercises & kaufman method), he said he's never used those before! huh!! so,i sat in on the therapy session & after the first one i called the coordinator & told her the situation. this new therapist was sitting with my son showing him pictures a cat & he would say, " eddie, say cat " & of course he couldnot say it. it obviously was not working! luckily, his present therapist was getting some open time slots & fit him in. now, he's sees an outside therapist 2x/week plus preschool 1 on 1 2x/week & 1 day group therapy 1x/week (which i doubt will be beneficial to him...bring up at iep meeting!) i would make sure the slp has oral motor experience & has had experience with apraia. if not, call the e.i. coordinator & demand another slp! i would not wait and see. also, after a few sessions, if you feel that he would benefit from more sessions, do the same for that too! e.i. is usually pretty stingy with giving more sessions, at least in my case & quit a few people i know. i received a package from e.i. with a letter before my child started his sessions. that letter was from his coordinator. did you get something similiar? check it out & give them a call if needed! i hope everything goes well for you & your child! marianne > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' > entered my reality on August 9th. > > My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to > begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour > per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is > that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there > is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was > really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. > > Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong > approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; > he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser > extent)my husband. > > I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it > were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? > How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a > different one? > > Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a > different one? > > Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? > > Kate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 I got our SLP changed with EI because she wasn't working out. All I needed to do was call my coordinator and let her know that I wanted someone else. In our state EI is very family oriented and thus, the parents have a lot of input. I always interview the therapists before they even come out. I'm so suprised that more people don't do this. Also, I was able to up our therapy at one point to 4 times a week. All I did was gather a bunch of research on apraxia that indicated how important it is to have frequent therapy. It really was just a bunch of quotes from books and the internet. I read every quote to my coordinator stressing 'frequent therapy'. My coordinator then presented it to her team and they increased his sessions. Although, she did indicate that she had to fight for it. Another tip (at least where I'm at) is I was able to get education services for my child. Basically, someone comes out for 1 hour a week and works on the goals that we have set for . This is completely free and available to all children in EI where I live. I kind of stumbled on it. It is so important to get an SLP experienced with apraxic children. I was so amazed the first time I saw one of my son's speech therapists get him to make the 'h' sound. He tried a couple of times (without success) and then she cued him by making the sound on her hand. After the cue he correctly made the sound. It was amazing. My son started getting therapy at 18 months and is now about 30 months old. He has speech anywhere from 2 to 4 times a week and I always work with him throughout the day. He has made so much progress due to the therapies. You are lucky that you have discovered this at 21 months of age. This is exactly the age you want to give him frequent amounts of the right therapy. The fact that your SLP thinks 1 hour a week is fine would be a big red flag for me. > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' > entered my reality on August 9th. > > My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to > begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour > per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is > that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there > is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was > really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. > > Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong > approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; > he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser > extent)my husband. > > I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it > were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? > How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a > different one? > > Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a > different one? > > Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? > > Kate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Kate, My 24 month old has just moved to two days a week. Insisted on this, period. You are going to have to do the same. They may not do anything until 24 months, but after that, I would push them very hard to do so. This just fits my personality very well, so I never thought twice. You need to read the book, The late talker. Make sure your SLP understands Apraxia and see if your son has oral/verbal apraxia. I believe you can do this by checking out if he moves his tounge around. I believe my SLP did this with a sucker. Check your insurance, Check your local government program. Unfortunately, you are going to have to remain the strong advocate for your son if he does have apraxia. Lots of times, they can not diagnose this until after 2 years of age. Colleen [ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a good fit? Hello Everyone, I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' entered my reality on August 9th. My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser extent)my husband. I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a different one? Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a different one? Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Kate - take me with you....our SLT at school was pretty much writing back to us that our son was making nice progress but when we did the evaluation at St. 's and had our son at Kean Child Study Institute it suggested a completely different outlook. We hired a private SLT as our insurance will only cover restorative speech. So she also felt had Apraxia and long story short we are taking the school district to court (due process) over speech therapy and having our son tested at Princeton Speech next week specifically for Apraxia. So you may need to have some private testing done (this will run us $1300 that our insurance will not pay for) but the questions are very imporant for the types of therapy a child receives. The Casana DVD I have on Apraxia teaches parents how to work with kids at home and perhaps if you get stuck with a therapist you need to get a second opinion and learn to do many things at home. Buy some home therapy kits and basically become the apraxia expert. It's changed my whole outlook on life and I am thinking of heading back to school for either OT or SLT. There is so much work to be done, it takes a special needs Mom to know the needs of a special needs kid. April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 April, I applaud any special needs parent who goes back to school to become a therapist. I know lots of special needs Moms who are giving up their present careers and going back to school to become OT's, Speech therapists, and ABA providers. I really think from my own experience that many of the therapists who are not special needs parents just don't get it and they probably never will! I'm personally hoping to eventually get into nutrition or natural medicine. Vicki The Casana DVD I have on > Apraxia teaches parents how to work with kids at home and perhaps if > you get stuck with a therapist you need to get a second opinion and > learn to do many things at home. Buy some home therapy kits and > basically become the apraxia expert. It's changed my whole outlook on > life and I am thinking of heading back to school for either OT or SLT. > There is so much work to be done, it takes a special needs Mom to know > the needs of a special needs kid. > > April > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3 sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit and she was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended up in the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over worked and when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose and that private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that he had and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia without saying apraxia!!! We stayed exclusive with EI for about a year then I was very frustrated as I had an almost 3 yr old that wasn't talking and routinely choking at dinner. I don't think we realized how our diet had changed until I had to detail it out for the next private eval done when my son was 2 yrs 11 mo. Since then I have double up on therapy and done lots of research and come up with my own theories on how to help - some work - some don't ah well. Anyway, he has made HUGE gains and I believe it is all due to private therapy. I stopped fighting the school system and just supplement what I want on the outside. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of werkkate Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:08 AM Subject: [ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a good fit? Hello Everyone, I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' entered my reality on August 9th. My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser extent)my husband. I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a different one? Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a different one? Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 I had the opposite experience. While our EI therapist is clueless, unaware of her own body, late every week and appears to be ignorant, she is very good at her actual job. I also believe she has unaddressed dyspraxia herself. (long story but the shoe fits) I hired a prvate therapist, in the biz for 30 years, very knowledgeable generally but did not get the deal with my kid. We are still friendly and she is thrilled about his progress without milk, on a new diet and fish oil. She just did not know the deal. She, I believe is unaddressed celiac. Remember, I say all of this with my mail order degree! Zeissler wrote: > I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3 > sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit and she > was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended up in > the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over worked and > when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose and that > private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that > he had > and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia without > saying apraxia!!! We stayed exclusive with EI for about a year then I was > very frustrated as I had an almost 3 yr old that wasn't talking and > routinely choking at dinner. I don't think we realized how our diet had > changed until I had to detail it out for the next private eval done > when my > son was 2 yrs 11 mo. Since then I have double up on therapy and done lots > of research and come up with my own theories on how to help - some work - > some don't ah well. > > Anyway, he has made HUGE gains and I believe it is all due to private > therapy. I stopped fighting the school system and just supplement what I > want on the outside. > > _____ > > From: > <mailto: %40> > [mailto: > <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of werkkate > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:08 AM > > <mailto: %40> > Subject: [ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a good > fit? > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' > entered my reality on August 9th. > > My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to > begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour > per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is > that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there > is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was > really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. > > Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong > approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; > he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser > extent)my husband. > > I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it > were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? > How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a > different one? > > Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a > different one? > > Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? > > Kate > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Just wondering -- do your SLP's know about fish oil? I have worked with three separate SLPs -- one of which I really like -- but all have given me the blank stare when I start to talk about Omega 3/6. The only response I have ever gotten was that it might be good for ADHD, but she had not heard of it in relation to apraxia. > > > I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3 > > sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit and she > > was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended up in > > the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over worked and > > when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose and that > > private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that > > he had > > and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia without > > saying apraxia!!! We stayed exclusive with EI for about a year then I was > > very frustrated as I had an almost 3 yr old that wasn't talking and > > routinely choking at dinner. I don't think we realized how our diet had > > changed until I had to detail it out for the next private eval done > > when my > > son was 2 yrs 11 mo. Since then I have double up on therapy and done lots > > of research and come up with my own theories on how to help - some work - > > some don't ah well. > > > > Anyway, he has made HUGE gains and I believe it is all due to private > > therapy. I stopped fighting the school system and just supplement what I > > want on the outside. > > > > _____ > > > > From: > > <mailto: %40> > > [mailto: > > <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of werkkate > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:08 AM > > > > <mailto: %40> > > Subject: [ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a good > > fit? > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' > > entered my reality on August 9th. > > > > My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to > > begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour > > per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is > > that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there > > is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was > > really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. > > > > Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong > > approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; > > he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser > > extent)my husband. > > > > I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it > > were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? > > How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a > > different one? > > > > Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a > > different one? > > > > Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? > > > > Kate > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 When my daughter transitioned from EI to the school system, our EI coordinator told me that if it made me feel any better, none of the 3 year olds that she had transitioning were talking yet. (Not exactly a ringing endorcement for their services!) After years of as much therapy as possible (school & private) my daughter finally started talking during a period of time when we weren't even getting speech therapy. (Thanks primarily to Calcium EDTA.) It's been my experience that when a therapy isn't working, the therapists and teachers tend to either blame the child or blame the parents. Often, they blame both. I have a niece who is less than 100 days from having her Master's in Speech & Language Path and she's already doing it. Her first set of parents were " in denial " , this last set " doesn't speak English " and the child is wild. I'm sorry. I don't buy it. And people who don't have special needs children of their own, who judge those who do, are one of my worse pet peeves (and I have many!). I've sat in a room and watched video of some of the worse case scenarios LEARNING. I've seen a 33 year old man who has never been able to communicate a single need or want in his life learn within a 15 minute time period how to use sign to ask for cookies and drink. If someone had believed in him and put a little effort into it when he was young, he may have actually been able to learn to speak. As it was, he was able to learn enough signs that he could move from an institution into a group home. (Even at 31!) For a child with apraxia, a good speech therapist who is experienced with apraxia (if you can find one) can be a life saver. For a kid with ASD, I'd put my money into a good VBA program any day of the week. I know 2 moms of kids with ASD who happen to be SLPs themselves (yes , it can happen to SLPs too!), and BOTH of them chose to do VBA with their children. One of the kids was able to start kindergarten without any assistance. Vicki " If a child isn't learning, you have to look at the teaching method. The children can learn " ---- Dr Carbone > > I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3 > sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit and she > was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended up in > the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over worked and > when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose and that > private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that he had > and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia without > saying apraxia!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Kate, Try to find a speech therapist who at least knows what Kauffman cards are. I bought my own set. Contact the Prompt Institute (http://www.promptinsitute.com) and see if there is anyone in your area trained in PROMPT. A therapist who is trained in PROMPT would very likely be more experienced with apraxia. I personally think most SLPs have worked with kids who have apraxia. Unfortunately, I don't think many of them knew that that's what the child had. Most of my state universities speech & language programs focus on the elderly. There must be more money in hearing aides,etc., so the new SlPs don't come out of school with any real experience. It's only the ones that really care that further their education and attend workshops that are really helpful rather than really cheap. Vicki > > Hello Everyone, > > I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia' > entered my reality on August 9th. > > My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to > begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour > per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is > that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there > is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was > really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be. > > Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong > approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually; > he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser > extent)my husband. > > I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it > were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting? > How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a > different one? > > Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a > different one? > > Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge? > > Kate > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 > For a child with apraxia, a good speech therapist who is experienced > with apraxia (if you can find one) can be a life saver. For a kid > with ASD, I'd put my money into a good VBA program any day of the > week. I know 2 moms of kids with ASD who happen to be SLPs > themselves (yes , it can happen to SLPs too!), and BOTH of them chose > to do VBA with their children. One of the kids was able to start > kindergarten without any assistance. Don't limit VBA to kids with ASD. My son is not on the spectrum and VBA has made all the difference. Now if I could only get a good SLP from the school district, we'd be set:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Side Bar - Vicki, What is VBA? I am starting to feel like we are very fortunate. As uneducated as I am to all these things we have managed to find an SLP (our 2nd one) who specializes in apraxia, a Special Ed teacher with 20+ years experience in a variety of setting who herself has ADD and believes in supplements, a Physical Therapist who has an imagination a mile wide and the energy to do it, and an Occupational Therapist who specializes in Sensory integration and was the one who " saved " us during an especially bad week. We are lucky to have found these thru Early Intervention and can keep 3 out of 4 with us when we transition to the preschool program in January. The Sp. Ed. teacher will be replaced by someone who is equally good from what I hear. We can still get her services at home and we are not even remotely interested in sending her out until next September. We attend playgroups and have play dates in our home and others. We also attend a music program 1x a week for which we pay. Spec. Ed. and Speech have been 2x week for the last year, P.T. has been once and is soon increasing to 2x week, O.T. was added in March and increased to 2x week in August. If anyone lives near the capital district region of NY I'll be happy to send names of our people. I am flabberghasted at the lack of services some of you have and I am extremely sorry! Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 VBA=Verbal Behavior Analysis For children with autism, VBA rocks! We don't have a consultant nearby and were just " winging it " based on what we learned at some of Dr Carbone's workshops. My lead therapist wasn't even doing it correctly and my son still benefited. If I could take back every dime that I ever spent on speech therapy and put it into a good VBA program with a good consultant, I'd do it in a heartbeat. (http://www.drcarbone.net). It's also helpful for other children with related disabilities but did nothing for my apraxic child. (We couldn't get much out of her until after we finally had to resort to some chelation with EDTA.) I've saved most of our VBA materials in case I have to address language deficiencies with her but overall her receptive has always been a bit better than her brothers. Yes you are very fortunate. Where I live the Easter Seals teachers start out as aides in the classroom making about $6/hour and then move into teaching slots as the teachers leave. One of the aides was caught eating the Play Doh that she was supposed to be watching to make sure the kids didn't eat. My daughter had one of the few teachers who even had a degree in anything and her degree is in English. I think I probaly own one of maybe 2 sets of Kauffman cards in town. Our school therapist didn't think my daughter had apraxia and got mad at her for not imitating sticking our her tongue. My son's preschool teacher duct taped kids shoes to their feet, etc. She was " frustrated " by my son because he didn't get the concept of where to put a period at the end of a statement. Mind you he was in PRESCHOOL and was the only kid in the whole class who knew his alphabet, could spell and write and she's exasperated because he doesn't get the concept of where to place a period the first day that he's worked on writing sentences! I could go on and on but I have to go to bed. Vicki > > Side Bar - Vicki, > What is VBA? > > I am starting to feel like we are very fortunate. As uneducated as I am to > all these things we have managed to find an SLP (our 2nd one) who > specializes in apraxia, a Special Ed teacher with 20+ years experience in a > variety of setting who herself has ADD and believes in supplements, a > Physical Therapist who has an imagination a mile wide and the energy to do > it, and an Occupational Therapist who specializes in Sensory integration and > was the one who " saved " us during an especially bad week. We are lucky to > have found these thru Early Intervention and can keep 3 out of 4 with us > when we transition to the preschool program in January. The Sp. Ed. teacher > will be replaced by someone who is equally good from what I hear. We can > still get her services at home and we are not even remotely interested in > sending her out until next September. We attend playgroups and have play > dates in our home and others. We also attend a music program 1x a week for > which we pay. Spec. Ed. and Speech have been 2x week for the last year, > P.T. has been once and is soon increasing to 2x week, O.T. was added in > March and increased to 2x week in August. > > If anyone lives near the capital district region of NY I'll be happy to send > names of our people. I am flabberghasted at the lack of services some of > you have and I am extremely sorry! > > Darlene > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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