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hi, my son was 2 1/2 when he started e.i. we were approved for

1x/week for 1 hour. when i met the therapist, she told me that she

was familiar with and had worked with several children with verval

apraxia before. i was happy & she was terrific! anyway...i felt my

son needed more sessions, so i called his coordinator. he was

approved 1 more hour/week..the only problem was that his present

therapist did not have any more hours available, so i had to have the

coordinator find him another one. when the therapist came to the

house, i asked him if he was familiar/worked with children with

verbal apraxia, and he said no. he asked me how the other therapist

works with my son & when i told him what she does (which was alot of

oral motor exercises & kaufman method), he said he's never used those

before! huh!! so,i sat in on the therapy session & after the first

one i called the coordinator & told her the situation. this new

therapist was sitting with my son showing him pictures a cat & he

would say, " eddie, say cat " & of course he couldnot say it. it

obviously was not working! luckily, his present therapist was getting

some open time slots & fit him in. now, he's sees an outside

therapist 2x/week plus preschool 1 on 1 2x/week & 1 day group therapy

1x/week (which i doubt will be beneficial to him...bring up at iep

meeting!)

i would make sure the slp has oral motor experience & has had

experience with apraia. if not, call the e.i. coordinator & demand

another slp! i would not wait and see. also, after a few sessions,

if you feel that he would benefit from more sessions, do the same for

that too! e.i. is usually pretty stingy with giving more sessions, at

least in my case & quit a few people i know.

i received a package from e.i. with a letter before my child started

his sessions. that letter was from his coordinator. did you get

something similiar? check it out & give them a call if needed!

i hope everything goes well for you & your child!

marianne

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

> entered my reality on August 9th.

>

> My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

> begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1

hour

> per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me

is

> that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young

there

> is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She

was

> really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would

be.

>

> Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the

wrong

> approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well,

actually;

> he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

> extent)my husband.

>

> I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

> were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I

overreacting?

> How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and

demand a

> different one?

>

> Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and

demanding a

> different one?

>

> Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

>

> Kate

>

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I got our SLP changed with EI because she wasn't working out. All I

needed to do was call my coordinator and let her know that I wanted

someone else. In our state EI is very family oriented and thus, the

parents have a lot of input. I always interview the therapists before

they even come out. I'm so suprised that more people don't do this.

Also, I was able to up our therapy at one point to 4 times a week.

All I did was gather a bunch of research on apraxia that indicated

how important it is to have frequent therapy. It really was just a

bunch of quotes from books and the internet. I read every quote to my

coordinator stressing 'frequent therapy'. My coordinator then

presented it to her team and they increased his sessions. Although,

she did indicate that she had to fight for it.

Another tip (at least where I'm at) is I was able to get education

services for my child. Basically, someone comes out for 1 hour a week

and works on the goals that we have set for . This is

completely free and available to all children in EI where I live. I

kind of stumbled on it.

It is so important to get an SLP experienced with apraxic children. I

was so amazed the first time I saw one of my son's speech therapists

get him to make the 'h' sound. He tried a couple of times (without

success) and then she cued him by making the sound on her hand. After

the cue he correctly made the sound. It was amazing.

My son started getting therapy at 18 months and is now about 30

months old. He has speech anywhere from 2 to 4 times a week and I

always work with him throughout the day. He has made so much progress

due to the therapies. You are lucky that you have discovered this at

21 months of age. This is exactly the age you want to give him

frequent amounts of the right therapy. The fact that your SLP thinks

1 hour a week is fine would be a big red flag for me.

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

> entered my reality on August 9th.

>

> My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

> begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1

hour

> per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me

is

> that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young

there

> is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She

was

> really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would

be.

>

> Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the

wrong

> approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well,

actually;

> he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

> extent)my husband.

>

> I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

> were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I

overreacting?

> How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and

demand a

> different one?

>

> Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and

demanding a

> different one?

>

> Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

>

> Kate

>

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Kate,

My 24 month old has just moved to two days a week. Insisted on this, period.

You are going to have to do the same. They may not do anything until 24

months, but after that, I would push them very hard to do so. This just fits

my personality very well, so I never thought twice.

You need to read the book, The late talker. Make sure your SLP understands

Apraxia and see if your son has oral/verbal apraxia. I believe you can do

this by checking out if he moves his tounge around. I believe my SLP did

this with a sucker.

Check your insurance, Check your local government program. Unfortunately,

you are going to have to remain the strong advocate for your son if he does

have apraxia. Lots of times, they can not diagnose this until after 2 years

of age.

Colleen

[ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a good fit?

Hello Everyone,

I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

entered my reality on August 9th.

My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour

per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is

that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there

is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was

really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be.

Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong

approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually;

he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

extent)my husband.

I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting?

How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a

different one?

Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a

different one?

Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

Kate

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Kate - take me with you....our SLT at school was pretty much writing

back to us that our son was making nice progress but when we did the

evaluation at St. 's and had our son at Kean Child Study Institute

it suggested a completely different outlook. We hired a private SLT as

our insurance will only cover restorative speech. So she also felt

had Apraxia and long story short we are taking the school

district to court (due process) over speech therapy and having our son

tested at Princeton Speech next week specifically for Apraxia. So you

may need to have some private testing done (this will run us $1300 that

our insurance will not pay for) but the questions are very imporant for

the types of therapy a child receives. The Casana DVD I have on

Apraxia teaches parents how to work with kids at home and perhaps if

you get stuck with a therapist you need to get a second opinion and

learn to do many things at home. Buy some home therapy kits and

basically become the apraxia expert. It's changed my whole outlook on

life and I am thinking of heading back to school for either OT or SLT.

There is so much work to be done, it takes a special needs Mom to know

the needs of a special needs kid.

April

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April,

I applaud any special needs parent who goes back to school to become a

therapist. I know lots of special needs Moms who are giving up their

present careers and going back to school to become OT's, Speech

therapists, and ABA providers. I really think from my own experience

that many of the therapists who are not special needs parents just

don't get it and they probably never will!

I'm personally hoping to eventually get into nutrition or natural

medicine.

Vicki

The Casana DVD I have on

> Apraxia teaches parents how to work with kids at home and perhaps if

> you get stuck with a therapist you need to get a second opinion and

> learn to do many things at home. Buy some home therapy kits and

> basically become the apraxia expert. It's changed my whole outlook

on

> life and I am thinking of heading back to school for either OT or

SLT.

> There is so much work to be done, it takes a special needs Mom to

know

> the needs of a special needs kid.

>

> April

>

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I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3

sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit and she

was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended up in

the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over worked and

when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose and that

private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that he had

and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia without

saying apraxia!!! We stayed exclusive with EI for about a year then I was

very frustrated as I had an almost 3 yr old that wasn't talking and

routinely choking at dinner. I don't think we realized how our diet had

changed until I had to detail it out for the next private eval done when my

son was 2 yrs 11 mo. Since then I have double up on therapy and done lots

of research and come up with my own theories on how to help - some work -

some don't ah well.

Anyway, he has made HUGE gains and I believe it is all due to private

therapy. I stopped fighting the school system and just supplement what I

want on the outside.

_____

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Hello Everyone,

I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

entered my reality on August 9th.

My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour

per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is

that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there

is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was

really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be.

Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong

approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually;

he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

extent)my husband.

I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting?

How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a

different one?

Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a

different one?

Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

Kate

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I had the opposite experience. While our EI therapist is clueless,

unaware of her own body, late every week and appears to be ignorant, she

is very good at her actual job. I also believe she has unaddressed

dyspraxia herself. (long story but the shoe fits)

I hired a prvate therapist, in the biz for 30 years, very knowledgeable

generally but did not get the deal with my kid. We are still friendly

and she is thrilled about his progress without milk, on a new diet and

fish oil. She just did not know the deal. She, I believe is unaddressed

celiac.

Remember, I say all of this with my mail order degree!

Zeissler wrote:

> I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3

> sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit and she

> was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended up in

> the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over worked and

> when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose and that

> private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that

> he had

> and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia without

> saying apraxia!!! We stayed exclusive with EI for about a year then I was

> very frustrated as I had an almost 3 yr old that wasn't talking and

> routinely choking at dinner. I don't think we realized how our diet had

> changed until I had to detail it out for the next private eval done

> when my

> son was 2 yrs 11 mo. Since then I have double up on therapy and done lots

> of research and come up with my own theories on how to help - some work -

> some don't ah well.

>

> Anyway, he has made HUGE gains and I believe it is all due to private

> therapy. I stopped fighting the school system and just supplement what I

> want on the outside.

>

> _____

>

> From:

> <mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of werkkate

> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:08 AM

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a good

> fit?

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

> entered my reality on August 9th.

>

> My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

> begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour

> per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is

> that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there

> is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was

> really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be.

>

> Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong

> approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well, actually;

> he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

> extent)my husband.

>

> I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

> were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting?

> How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a

> different one?

>

> Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a

> different one?

>

> Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

>

> Kate

>

>

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Just wondering -- do your SLP's know about fish oil? I have worked

with three separate SLPs -- one of which I really like -- but all have

given me the blank stare when I start to talk about Omega 3/6. The

only response I have ever gotten was that it might be good for ADHD,

but she had not heard of it in relation to apraxia.

>

> > I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after 3

> > sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit

and she

> > was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended

up in

> > the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over

worked and

> > when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose

and that

> > private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was that

> > he had

> > and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia

without

> > saying apraxia!!! We stayed exclusive with EI for about a year

then I was

> > very frustrated as I had an almost 3 yr old that wasn't talking and

> > routinely choking at dinner. I don't think we realized how our

diet had

> > changed until I had to detail it out for the next private eval done

> > when my

> > son was 2 yrs 11 mo. Since then I have double up on therapy and

done lots

> > of research and come up with my own theories on how to help - some

work -

> > some don't ah well.

> >

> > Anyway, he has made HUGE gains and I believe it is all due to private

> > therapy. I stopped fighting the school system and just supplement

what I

> > want on the outside.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > <mailto: %40>

> > [mailto:

> > <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of werkkate

> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:08 AM

> >

> > <mailto: %40>

> > Subject: [ ] How do you know if an SLP is not a

good

> > fit?

> >

> > Hello Everyone,

> >

> > I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

> > entered my reality on August 9th.

> >

> > My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

> > begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1 hour

> > per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me is

> > that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young there

> > is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She was

> > really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would be.

> >

> > Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the wrong

> > approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well,

actually;

> > he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

> > extent)my husband.

> >

> > I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

> > were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I overreacting?

> > How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and demand a

> > different one?

> >

> > Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and demanding a

> > different one?

> >

> > Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

> >

> > Kate

> >

> >

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When my daughter transitioned from EI to the school system, our EI

coordinator told me that if it made me feel any better, none of the 3

year olds that she had transitioning were talking yet. (Not exactly

a ringing endorcement for their services!) After years of as much

therapy as possible (school & private) my daughter finally started

talking during a period of time when we weren't even getting speech

therapy. (Thanks primarily to Calcium EDTA.)

It's been my experience that when a therapy isn't working, the

therapists and teachers tend to either blame the child or blame the

parents. Often, they blame both. I have a niece who is less than 100

days from having her Master's in Speech & Language Path and she's

already doing it. Her first set of parents were " in denial " , this

last set " doesn't speak English " and the child is wild. I'm sorry.

I don't buy it. And people who don't have special needs children of

their own, who judge those who do, are one of my worse pet peeves

(and I have many!). I've sat in a room and watched video of some of

the worse case scenarios LEARNING. I've seen a 33 year old man who

has never been able to communicate a single need or want in his life

learn within a 15 minute time period how to use sign to ask for

cookies and drink. If someone had believed in him and put a little

effort into it when he was young, he may have actually been able to

learn to speak. As it was, he was able to learn enough signs that he

could move from an institution into a group home. (Even at 31!)

For a child with apraxia, a good speech therapist who is experienced

with apraxia (if you can find one) can be a life saver. For a kid

with ASD, I'd put my money into a good VBA program any day of the

week. I know 2 moms of kids with ASD who happen to be SLPs

themselves (yes , it can happen to SLPs too!), and BOTH of them chose

to do VBA with their children. One of the kids was able to start

kindergarten without any assistance.

Vicki

" If a child isn't learning, you have to look at the teaching method.

The children can learn " ---- Dr Carbone

>

> I walked out on our first private speech therapist for my son after

3

> sessions. He was about 20-22 months old. It just wasn't a good fit

and she

> was fresh out of college. Didn't have a clue. Anyway then we ended

up in

> the EI program with the school dist and that therapist was over

worked and

> when I asked about SI or apraxia. she said she couldn't diagnose

and that

> private intervention wasn't the way to go. all she would say was

that he had

> and oral motor planning problem.. essentialy she defined apraxia

without

> saying apraxia!!!

>

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Kate,

Try to find a speech therapist who at least knows what Kauffman cards

are. I bought my own set.

Contact the Prompt Institute (http://www.promptinsitute.com) and see

if there is anyone in your area trained in PROMPT. A therapist who

is trained in PROMPT would very likely be more experienced with

apraxia.

I personally think most SLPs have worked with kids who have apraxia.

Unfortunately, I don't think many of them knew that that's what the

child had. Most of my state universities speech & language programs

focus on the elderly. There must be more money in hearing

aides,etc., so the new SlPs don't come out of school with any real

experience. It's only the ones that really care that further their

education and attend workshops that are really helpful rather than

really cheap.

Vicki

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I am new, but have been reading the board since the word 'apraxia'

> entered my reality on August 9th.

>

> My 21 month old son has suspected apraxia, and we are scheduled to

> begin speech therapy next week. We have only been approved for 1

hour

> per week, which is disappointing, but what is most unsettling to me

is

> that the SLP said that it doesn't matter, because he is so young

there

> is not much she can do besides encouraging him to communicate. She

was

> really vague when I asked her what her plan for his therapy would

be.

>

> Everything I have read about apraxia tells me that this is the

wrong

> approach. Is it? I also feel that he communicates quite well,

actually;

> he's simply unintelligible to anyone other than me and (to a lesser

> extent)my husband.

>

> I just don't get the feeling that this SLP is in his corner, as it

> were, but we haven't even had one session yet, so am I

overreacting?

> How much of a chance do I give her before I stamp my feet and

demand a

> different one?

>

> Oh, and exactly HOW do you go about stamping your feet and

demanding a

> different one?

>

> Anyone want to talk me down off the ledge?

>

> Kate

>

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> For a child with apraxia, a good speech therapist who is experienced

> with apraxia (if you can find one) can be a life saver. For a kid

> with ASD, I'd put my money into a good VBA program any day of the

> week. I know 2 moms of kids with ASD who happen to be SLPs

> themselves (yes , it can happen to SLPs too!), and BOTH of them chose

> to do VBA with their children. One of the kids was able to start

> kindergarten without any assistance.

Don't limit VBA to kids with ASD. My son is not on the spectrum and

VBA has made all the difference. Now if I could only get a good SLP

from the school district, we'd be set:-)

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Side Bar - Vicki,

What is VBA?

I am starting to feel like we are very fortunate. As uneducated as I am to

all these things we have managed to find an SLP (our 2nd one) who

specializes in apraxia, a Special Ed teacher with 20+ years experience in a

variety of setting who herself has ADD and believes in supplements, a

Physical Therapist who has an imagination a mile wide and the energy to do

it, and an Occupational Therapist who specializes in Sensory integration and

was the one who " saved " us during an especially bad week. We are lucky to

have found these thru Early Intervention and can keep 3 out of 4 with us

when we transition to the preschool program in January. The Sp. Ed. teacher

will be replaced by someone who is equally good from what I hear. We can

still get her services at home and we are not even remotely interested in

sending her out until next September. We attend playgroups and have play

dates in our home and others. We also attend a music program 1x a week for

which we pay. Spec. Ed. and Speech have been 2x week for the last year,

P.T. has been once and is soon increasing to 2x week, O.T. was added in

March and increased to 2x week in August.

If anyone lives near the capital district region of NY I'll be happy to send

names of our people. I am flabberghasted at the lack of services some of

you have and I am extremely sorry!

Darlene

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VBA=Verbal Behavior Analysis

For children with autism, VBA rocks! We don't have a consultant

nearby and were just " winging it " based on what we learned at some of

Dr Carbone's workshops. My lead therapist wasn't even doing

it correctly and my son still benefited. If I could take back every

dime that I ever spent on speech therapy and put it into a good VBA

program with a good consultant, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

(http://www.drcarbone.net).

It's also helpful for other children with related disabilities but

did nothing for my apraxic child. (We couldn't get much out of her

until after we finally had to resort to some chelation with EDTA.)

I've saved most of our VBA materials in case I have to address

language deficiencies with her but overall her receptive has always

been a bit better than her brothers.

Yes you are very fortunate. Where I live the Easter Seals teachers

start out as aides in the classroom making about $6/hour and then

move into teaching slots as the teachers leave. One of the aides was

caught eating the Play Doh that she was supposed to be watching to

make sure the kids didn't eat. My daughter had one of the few

teachers who even had a degree in anything and her degree is in

English. I think I probaly own one of maybe 2 sets of Kauffman cards

in town. Our school therapist didn't think my daughter had apraxia

and got mad at her for not imitating sticking our her tongue. My

son's preschool teacher duct taped kids shoes to their feet, etc.

She was " frustrated " by my son because he didn't get the concept of

where to put a period at the end of a statement. Mind you he was in

PRESCHOOL and was the only kid in the whole class who knew his

alphabet, could spell and write and she's exasperated because he

doesn't get the concept of where to place a period the first day that

he's worked on writing sentences! I could go on and on but I have to

go to bed.

Vicki

>

> Side Bar - Vicki,

> What is VBA?

>

> I am starting to feel like we are very fortunate. As uneducated as

I am to

> all these things we have managed to find an SLP (our 2nd one) who

> specializes in apraxia, a Special Ed teacher with 20+ years

experience in a

> variety of setting who herself has ADD and believes in supplements,

a

> Physical Therapist who has an imagination a mile wide and the

energy to do

> it, and an Occupational Therapist who specializes in Sensory

integration and

> was the one who " saved " us during an especially bad week. We are

lucky to

> have found these thru Early Intervention and can keep 3 out of 4

with us

> when we transition to the preschool program in January. The Sp.

Ed. teacher

> will be replaced by someone who is equally good from what I hear.

We can

> still get her services at home and we are not even remotely

interested in

> sending her out until next September. We attend playgroups and

have play

> dates in our home and others. We also attend a music program 1x a

week for

> which we pay. Spec. Ed. and Speech have been 2x week for the last

year,

> P.T. has been once and is soon increasing to 2x week, O.T. was

added in

> March and increased to 2x week in August.

>

> If anyone lives near the capital district region of NY I'll be

happy to send

> names of our people. I am flabberghasted at the lack of services

some of

> you have and I am extremely sorry!

>

> Darlene

>

>

>

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