Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hi Elyse, I am not Bee, but I just remembered when I read your post: Bee wrote in one of her files (I don't remember which one... :- ( that the body needs to have enough fat to be able to absorb water. I thought I would mention it, in case it helps (something for me to remember as well, as I also tend to be very thirsty... which makes me think... I hadn't noticed the improvement until I wrote the above: just realized I am much less thirsty today (probably yesterday). Yeh! Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Elyse, I think the problem with this is not the salt but the increase in the amount of fructose you will be getting. Even though lemons are not sweet they do contain fructose which as we all know feeds the yeast. Bee might have a different reason but I would venture to guess that more is not better, you know Bee!! ;+) Shirley >From: macedgeca <macedgeca@...> >Hello Bee, > >I'm finding that I'm really thirsty a lot. What would be the problem >with having more lemon drink than the 36 oz? I would make some more >without the salt so I wouldn't get too much of that. Thanks, > >Elyse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hi Fran, Yes, I remember learning that too. I am having more fat than I used to, but maybe it takes time for that kind of thing to change. My thirst used to be a lot worse, at least it's not as bad. Elyse On 10/29/06, fgourd <fgourd@...> wrote: > > Hi Elyse, > I am not Bee, but I just remembered when I read your post: Bee wrote in > one of her files (I don't remember which one... :- ( > that the body needs to have enough fat to be able to absorb water. I > thought I would mention it, in case it helps (something for me to > remember as well, as I also tend to be very thirsty... which makes me > think... I hadn't noticed the improvement until I wrote the above: just > realized I am much less thirsty today (probably yesterday). Yeh! > Fran > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 hmmm, you might be right. it's just that lemons help with the thirst. I used to drink lemon water before I started on this program to help as a mild liver cleanse and found it helped with thirst, maybe there's another way to deal with it. Elyse On 10/29/06, Shirley G <chickwbrains@...> wrote: > > Elyse, > > I think the problem with this is not the salt but the increase in the > amount > of fructose you will be getting. Even though lemons are not sweet they do > contain fructose which as we all know feeds the yeast. Bee might have a > different reason but I would venture to guess that more is not better, you > know Bee!! ;+) > > Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 > > Hello Bee, > > I'm finding that I'm really thirsty a lot. What would be the problem > with having more lemon drink than the 36 oz? I would make some more > without the salt so I wouldn't get too much of that. Thanks, Elyse, the others are right about needing enough nature-made fats for the cells to utilize water, along with minerals (contains in sea salt). But also mouth breathing can cause thirst and dryness; practice nose breathing - see the Breathe Right Folder on how to do it correctly and why. Like Shirley said lemons should be kept to the minimum, as recommended. Cheers, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two he didn't want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he drinks so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could be so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training easier, but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not giving up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and takes me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in the potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I am not a dr. but it is clear you need to be asking a dr. this question. Excessive thirst and dehydration are a concern. Diabetes is a concern. Celiac is a concern. Too much of anything is a concern. More of a concern is where is all the water going? My daughter did something similar. I discovered she must have been holding the water somewhere because it all came out when we put her on the right diet. It still haunts me. She was high literally, from allergic food and the excessive B12 that showed up in labs likely created an opiate effect. This was my non apraxic kid. Things were worse for my apraxic kid. See a doctor. This is something I'd have done earlier had I known. Dr. has been kind enough to give all of us a heads up on telling labs for our kids and Tina has been kind enough to put a file together on it with Dr. 's study that you can bring to your doctor to help. Good luck. > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two he didn't > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he drinks > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could be > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training easier, > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not giving > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and takes > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in the > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I just joined this group but thought I'd chime in. My 4 year old, Trysten, is the same way. He drinks so much everyday that I sometimes wonder where he puts it all. I have always thought it was hereditary because my husband is the same way. My 4 year old can drink an entire jumbo container (96 ozs from costco) of orange juice in just a day. And we typically half and half his orange juice with water just to help it last longer. My younger child, Devlyn - 3, without Apraxia can go through an entire gallon of soymilk in a day and a half. We half and half that with flavored water sometimes, too. I have no ideas on potty training for you either. We are in the same boat here. We have some days where Trysten is great with it but most days he could care less about the potty. I just keep telling myself that he will learn someday and keep trying with him. On Nov 20, 2007 4:11 PM, <jennyjudy@...> wrote: > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two > he didn't > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he > drinks > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could > be > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training > easier, > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not > giving > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and > takes > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in > the > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Please look at the malabsorption stuff. Often these children crave things they are in dire need of but the amounts you are talking about, and them not excreting that stuff is frightening. There may be an underlying allergy, deficiency, illness that if addressed could do a world of good. > > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two > > he didn't > > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he > > drinks > > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could > > be > > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training > > easier, > > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not > > giving > > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and > > takes > > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in > > the > > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest > > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 My 6 year old son (Apraxia, DCD, AS, ADD, SID) used to be sooooo thirsty as well. We had Dr. check for diabetes etc. but nothing came up. Then I read somewhere (book about dyspraxia, I think) that children with shortage of Omega 3 (due to low intake, or due to bad absorption) are likely to be very thirsty. My son is less thirsty than he used to be lately (at least he doesn't drink the vase water or the paint water anymore) but he is still drinking a lot more than my other children. Potty training took a long time as well, still have occasional accidents. I have no tips for you, except to keep trying and not to get frustrated. Sorry... > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two he didn't > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he drinks > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could be > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training easier, > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not giving > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and takes > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in the > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Mark is always thirsty as well. When his speech gets really slushy (usually noticeable after school), he says that it is because he is thirsty. He equates the excess saliva with thirst. Sure enough, I grab a bottle of water, he downs it and the 'slushy' speech is gone within minutes. Not sure if this is just the placebo effect or what; he has decided that thirst is the problem and thus it is OR if it actually is the real issue???? I do keep an eye on Mark's thirst. It is important to get our kids drinking water rather than too much juice since we need to find out if they are actually thirsty or whether they are just enjoying the 'sweetness' of the drink. If they are dehydrated then water is the best thing for them anyway, it is a natural detoxifying agent. Janice Mother of Mark, 12 [sPAM] Re: [ ] Re: always thirsty I just joined this group but thought I'd chime in. My 4 year old, Trysten, is the same way. He drinks so much everyday that I sometimes wonder where he puts it all. I have always thought it was hereditary because my husband is the same way. My 4 year old can drink an entire jumbo container (96 ozs from costco) of orange juice in just a day. And we typically half and half his orange juice with water just to help it last longer. My younger child, Devlyn - 3, without Apraxia can go through an entire gallon of soymilk in a day and a half. We half and half that with flavored water sometimes, too. I have no ideas on potty training for you either. We are in the same boat here. We have some days where Trysten is great with it but most days he could care less about the potty. I just keep telling myself that he will learn someday and keep trying with him. On Nov 20, 2007 4:11 PM, <jennyjudy@...> wrote: > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two > he didn't > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he > drinks > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could > be > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training > easier, > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not > giving > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and > takes > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in > the > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Given your recent testing did the doc say anything about this in relation to the pancreas and metal? > > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two > > he didn't > > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he > > drinks > > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could > > be > > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training > > easier, > > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not > > giving > > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and > > takes > > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in > > the > > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 It is now dawning on me that my children were involved in a push pull on their little bodies their first year of life. Both kids drank way more than most babies. They were big and growing and the doc was happy so I kept it up. That likely speaks to them needing the efas in the formula. There were many times when they wanted more but refused the formula???I now think they were refusing the fluoridated water that came with it...the same stuff they'd never drink plain, even during cold,etc when milk was contraindicated by the doc. Both had nail and skin stuff and you al already know about the hair. I have more to write on this but must stay married. More on this later. Janice you are my guardian angel! > > > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD > NOS and > > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was > two he didn't > > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes > he drinks > > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why > he could be > > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty > training easier, > > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am > not giving > > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with > me and takes > > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I > cannot > > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't > go in the > > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 This rings true for me. Here are some exerpts from various websites that seem to relate excessive thirst, dry skin, hair, nails and KP with EFA deficiency. A quick google of EFA deficiency revealed the following (no idea if the websites are valid). The following is from: http://www.causeof.org/efa_d.htm#EFAsSymptomsList Omega-3 Deficiency Symptoms List of Symptoms " These signs include · dry hair, · dry skin (often noticed as a 'goosebump' rash on the upper arms and/or upper thighs), · excessive thirst, · frequent urination, · problems with attention and so on. " ILT: Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs) Keratosis Pilaris Keratosis Pilaris: Definition " Keratosis pilaris is a common skin condition that looks like small goose bumps, which are actually dead skin cells that build up around the hair follicle. " HealthAtoZ.com: Keratosis Pilaris Keratosis Pilaris: Description · " Keratosis pilaris is a disorder that occurs around the hair follicles of the upper arms, thighs, and sometimes the buttocks. · It presents as small, benign bumps or papules that are actually waxy build-ups of keratin. Normally skin sloughs off. However, around the hair follicle where the papules form, the keratinized skin cells slough off at a slower rate, clogging the follicles. · This is generally thought to be genetic disorder, although the symptoms of keratosis pilaris are often seen with ichthyosis and allergic dermatitis. It can also be observed in people of all ages who have either inherited it or have a vitamin A deficiency or have dry skin. · Keratosis pilaris is a self-limiting disorder that disappears as the person ages. · It can become more severe when conditions are dry such as during the winter months or in dry climates. " HealthAtoZ.com: Keratosis Pilaris [THIS IS FROM: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/71/1/327S ] FATTY ACID STATUS OF CHILDREN WITH ADHD TOP ABSTRACT INTRODUCTION FATTY ACID STATUS OF... n-3 AND n-6 FATTY... POTENTIAL CAUSATIVE FACTORS FOR... CURRENT RESEARCH REFERENCES Several studies have focused on essential fatty acid metabolism in children with ADHD. Children with hyperactivity have been reported to be more thirsty than normal children and have symptoms of eczema, asthma, and other allergies (13). In a cross-sectional study in 6-12-y-old boys recruited from central Indiana, we showed that 53 subjects with ADHD had significantly lower proportions of key fatty acids in the plasma polar lipids [arachidonic acid (AA; 20:4n-6), eicosapentaenoic acid (20:5n-3), and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA; 22:6n-3)] and in red blood cell total lipids (20:4n-6 and 22:4n-6) than did 43 control subjects (14). This finding agrees with a previous report (13). However, a further finding was that a subgroup of 21 subjects with ADHD who exhibited a greater frequency of EFA deficiency symptoms (thirst, frequent urination, and dry hair) (40% of the sample) had significantly lower plasma proportions of AA and 22:6n-3 than did the other 32 subjects with ADHD (60% of the sample), who had few symptoms of EFA deficiency (Table 1). Moreover, the plasma fatty acid composition in the subjects with few symptoms was not significantly different from those in the control sample. This is important because previous studies that tested the role of fatty acid supplementation in treating ADHD did not report selection on the basis of EFA status or frequency of symptoms (15, 16). [THIS IS FROM: http://www.naturaladd.com/resources/articles/nutrition_adhd.html ] One area of nutrition that has received recent attention is essential fatty acid (EFA) deficiency, faulty EFA metabolism and hyperactivity in children13-16. Essential fatty acids are required constituents of every membrane in the body, including neuronal cell membranes. They serve as essential components in the biosynthesis of eicosanoids, chemicals that effect the working of every cell in the body17. Some of the cardinal signs of an EFA deficiency include excessive thirst, hyperallergic responses to common foods, and skin conditions such as eczema, clinical signs that tend to be common in ADHD children18. Symptoms such as thirst, eczema, and allergies are nonspecific symptoms that may have multiple etiologies unrelated to ADHD. However, this correlation led researchers to hypothesize that fatty acid supplementation would positively affect patients with ADHD19-20 and most clinical research reports are confirming their initial hypotheses21-23. Several case studies have shown that a forced EFA deficiency will lead to neurological abnormalities, and that these abnormalities will reverse with EFA supplementation24-25. [sPAM] [ ] Re: always thirsty My 6 year old son (Apraxia, DCD, AS, ADD, SID) used to be sooooo thirsty as well. We had Dr. check for diabetes etc. but nothing came up. Then I read somewhere (book about dyspraxia, I think) that children with shortage of Omega 3 (due to low intake, or due to bad absorption) are likely to be very thirsty. My son is less thirsty than he used to be lately (at least he doesn't drink the vase water or the paint water anymore) but he is still drinking a lot more than my other children. Potty training took a long time as well, still have occasional accidents. I have no tips for you, except to keep trying and not to get frustrated. Sorry... > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two he didn't > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he drinks > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could be > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training easier, > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not giving > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and takes > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in the > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 We meet on December 3 to discuss our plan of action. In the meantime, I am going to research Omega 6 more thoroughly. He is more deficient in Omega 6 than omega 3 although all are deficient. I have always focussed on Omega 3 assuming that we got sufficient Omega 6 in our diet. Obviously, this has not been the case. I was extremely surprised that Omega 6 was one of our worst offenders. When I review the symptoms of omega 6 deficiency, I see them ALL in Mark; every single one of them! So.... time to learn the difference between the two in full and figure out what I should be doing right now.... before we see the doc. I know that Evening Primrose Oil is high in Omega 6 but I want to get the dosages correct. Should I be using the CLO since we are vitamin A deficient as well and supplement extra EPO or would that be overdoing it? Lots of questions and few answers! Janice Mother of Mark, 12 [sPAM] [ ] Re: always thirsty Given your recent testing did the doc say anything about this in relation to the pancreas and metal? > > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two > > he didn't > > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he > > drinks > > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could > > be > > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training > > easier, > > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not > > giving > > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and > > takes > > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in > > the > > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Janice, I have supplimented Charlie with 3 NN Complete ( Omega 3/6/9 with Borage oil). It has worked very well for us. I spoke with my nutritionist Dorfman www.kellydorfman.com last week regarding Vitamin A for a weird thing charlie was doing with his eye earlier this year ( looking out of the corner of his eye to his ear if you will ). She suggested that I cut down to two NN Complete and suppliment the additional Omega with CLO (Nordic Naturals for the Vitamin A). So far so good. Thought I would share. Hope Mark is doing well. Colleen Mother of Charlie 27 Months. Re: [ ] Re: always thirsty We meet on December 3 to discuss our plan of action. In the meantime, I am going to research Omega 6 more thoroughly. He is more deficient in Omega 6 than omega 3 although all are deficient. I have always focussed on Omega 3 assuming that we got sufficient Omega 6 in our diet. Obviously, this has not been the case. I was extremely surprised that Omega 6 was one of our worst offenders. When I review the symptoms of omega 6 deficiency, I see them ALL in Mark; every single one of them! So.... time to learn the difference between the two in full and figure out what I should be doing right now.... before we see the doc. I know that Evening Primrose Oil is high in Omega 6 but I want to get the dosages correct. Should I be using the CLO since we are vitamin A deficient as well and supplement extra EPO or would that be overdoing it? Lots of questions and few answers! Janice Mother of Mark, 12 [sPAM] [ ] Re: always thirsty Given your recent testing did the doc say anything about this in relation to the pancreas and metal? > > > I have a question if anyone has any info. My son is 4 with PDD NOS and > > Apraxia. As soon as we took the milk out of his bottle when he was two > > he didn't > > want milk anymore. The only thing he drinks is water. Sometimes he > > drinks > > so much water every day I cant believe it. Does anyone know why he could > > be > > so thirsty for water? You would think it would make potty training > > easier, > > but I swear he holds it until after he gets off the potty. I am not > > giving > > up. He is a very cooperative child and he goes to the potty with me and > > takes > > me by the hand with no problem, we have a picture schedule up, I cannot > > believe he doesn't know what I want him to do, but he just doesn't go in > > the > > potty. Does anyone have any extra tips for this also??? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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