Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hey everybody! It's been a while since I was on here...I'm REALLY behind in posts. My grandfather suddenly took a turn for the worse and died last week, and I had to fly down to FL for the funeral....all in all it's been a crazy 2 weeks. And as we all know, missing 2 weeks of posts means you've missed about 400!!! Anyway, Ava is really getting around. She's such a nut! She crawls on all 4's--on her feet & hands. She looks like some kind of little bug or something! She even does it with her brace on, too! It's really hysterical! But now she's started " W " sitting, which I was watching for thanks to this group! But my question is, now that she's doing it, how do I stop it? Thanks! , mommy of: Guinevere, on & Ava 8/4/04 RCF ABS FAB 18/7--more like 14/7 these days! :-( I'm a bad bad mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hey everybody! It's been a while since I was on here...I'm REALLY behind in posts. My grandfather suddenly took a turn for the worse and died last week, and I had to fly down to FL for the funeral....all in all it's been a crazy 2 weeks. And as we all know, missing 2 weeks of posts means you've missed about 400!!! Anyway, Ava is really getting around. She's such a nut! She crawls on all 4's--on her feet & hands. She looks like some kind of little bug or something! She even does it with her brace on, too! It's really hysterical! But now she's started " W " sitting, which I was watching for thanks to this group! But my question is, now that she's doing it, how do I stop it? Thanks! , mommy of: Guinevere, on & Ava 8/4/04 RCF ABS FAB 18/7--more like 14/7 these days! :-( I'm a bad bad mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hi . Sorry about your loss. I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to w. I notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is easier to reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt from her knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she has her feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the problem. I need suggestions too. Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hi . Sorry about your loss. I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to w. I notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is easier to reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt from her knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she has her feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the problem. I need suggestions too. Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 , I think this is just like any habit, studies have shown that it takes 3 weeks (21 days) to get into a habit, and the same to get out of it. If she has only just started doing it, you'll want to get her to stop before it becomes a habit. My suggestion would be to just keep talking to her about it every time you see her sitting like that, and help her move her feet back to a better position, explain that it is not good for her feet. Do you talk to her about her brace, about why she wears it and how important it is? I know she is still really young to understand this but you have to start somewhere. You should also tell all of the adults she is around to watch for it and help her change positions when they see it. Actually, I think at her age it is not really a big deal, someone may correct me if I am wrong. You mention that she is hand and feet crawling, but is she crawling regularly? Sammy is still trying to figure out the crawling thing and he moves his legs to the " W " position when he is trying to go from sitting to crawling. I think it is just a transition position for him. But if he starts sitting like that I would definitely work on discouraging it. Also, I would make sure that the other kids are not doing it either. Kids are so smart, if we simply teach them the reasons for what we ask them to do they will usually do it without hesitation. HTH, Jenna (4/7/01) & Sammy (9/25/04, RCF, Dobb's brace, 16-18 hrs/day) > Hey everybody! It's been a while since I was on here...I'm REALLY > behind in posts. My grandfather suddenly took a turn for the worse and > died last week, and I had to fly down to FL for the funeral....all in > all it's been a crazy 2 weeks. And as we all know, missing 2 weeks of > posts means you've missed about 400!!! > Anyway, Ava is really getting around. She's such a nut! She crawls on > all 4's--on her feet & hands. She looks like some kind of little bug > or something! She even does it with her brace on, too! It's really > hysterical! But now she's started " W " sitting, which I was watching > for thanks to this group! But my question is, now that she's doing it, > how do I stop it? > Thanks! > , mommy of: > Guinevere, on & Ava 8/4/04 RCF ABS FAB 18/7--more like 14/7 > these days! :-( I'm a bad bad mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 , I think this is just like any habit, studies have shown that it takes 3 weeks (21 days) to get into a habit, and the same to get out of it. If she has only just started doing it, you'll want to get her to stop before it becomes a habit. My suggestion would be to just keep talking to her about it every time you see her sitting like that, and help her move her feet back to a better position, explain that it is not good for her feet. Do you talk to her about her brace, about why she wears it and how important it is? I know she is still really young to understand this but you have to start somewhere. You should also tell all of the adults she is around to watch for it and help her change positions when they see it. Actually, I think at her age it is not really a big deal, someone may correct me if I am wrong. You mention that she is hand and feet crawling, but is she crawling regularly? Sammy is still trying to figure out the crawling thing and he moves his legs to the " W " position when he is trying to go from sitting to crawling. I think it is just a transition position for him. But if he starts sitting like that I would definitely work on discouraging it. Also, I would make sure that the other kids are not doing it either. Kids are so smart, if we simply teach them the reasons for what we ask them to do they will usually do it without hesitation. HTH, Jenna (4/7/01) & Sammy (9/25/04, RCF, Dobb's brace, 16-18 hrs/day) > Hey everybody! It's been a while since I was on here...I'm REALLY > behind in posts. My grandfather suddenly took a turn for the worse and > died last week, and I had to fly down to FL for the funeral....all in > all it's been a crazy 2 weeks. And as we all know, missing 2 weeks of > posts means you've missed about 400!!! > Anyway, Ava is really getting around. She's such a nut! She crawls on > all 4's--on her feet & hands. She looks like some kind of little bug > or something! She even does it with her brace on, too! It's really > hysterical! But now she's started " W " sitting, which I was watching > for thanks to this group! But my question is, now that she's doing it, > how do I stop it? > Thanks! > , mommy of: > Guinevere, on & Ava 8/4/04 RCF ABS FAB 18/7--more like 14/7 > these days! :-( I'm a bad bad mommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 , I'm not sure, but I don't think W sitting in the brace would be bad. It was my understanding that when they W sit (no brace) that they put their feet into the clubfoot position, i.e. turned in and pushed onto the side of the foot, this is what makes it bad. Or am I totally mistaken here? > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to w. I > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is easier to > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt from her > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she has her > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the problem. I > need suggestions too. > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > Shook > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 , I'm not sure, but I don't think W sitting in the brace would be bad. It was my understanding that when they W sit (no brace) that they put their feet into the clubfoot position, i.e. turned in and pushed onto the side of the foot, this is what makes it bad. Or am I totally mistaken here? > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to w. I > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is easier to > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt from her > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she has her > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the problem. I > need suggestions too. > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > Shook > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hi, My sons PT said that " w " sitting is bad on the hips. However, if it's not done all the time than it's OK. I'd just keep an eye on it so that it doesn't become a habit. Thanks! > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to > w. I > > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is > easier to > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt > from her > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she > has her > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the > problem. I > > need suggestions too. > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > x374 > > x374 > > fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hi, My sons PT said that " w " sitting is bad on the hips. However, if it's not done all the time than it's OK. I'd just keep an eye on it so that it doesn't become a habit. Thanks! > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to > w. I > > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is > easier to > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt > from her > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she > has her > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the > problem. I > > need suggestions too. > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > x374 > > x374 > > fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 What is " W " sitting? jaymz3372 wrote:Hi, My sons PT said that " w " sitting is bad on the hips. However, if it's not done all the time than it's OK. I'd just keep an eye on it so that it doesn't become a habit. Thanks! > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to > w. I > > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is > easier to > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt > from her > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she > has her > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the > problem. I > > need suggestions too. > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > x374 > > x374 > > fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 What is " W " sitting? jaymz3372 wrote:Hi, My sons PT said that " w " sitting is bad on the hips. However, if it's not done all the time than it's OK. I'd just keep an eye on it so that it doesn't become a habit. Thanks! > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to > w. I > > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is > easier to > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt > from her > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she > has her > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the > problem. I > > need suggestions too. > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > x374 > > x374 > > fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 I thought that " W " sitting was discouraged because it causes issues with the hip sockets. It's discouraged for all kids, not just the clubfoot kids. " W " sitting is when the child sits on their bottom, with the top half of the legs in front, then bends the knees and tucks the bottom half of the legs and feet on either side of them. So if you were to look at them from an aerial view, the shape of their legs from foot to foot would be a " W " shape. There are *lots* of " W sitting " conversations on this board in the archives if someone wants to dig waaaaay back. & (3-16-00) > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to > w. I > > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is > easier to > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt > from her > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she > has her > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the > problem. I > > need suggestions too. > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > x374 > > x374 > > fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 I thought that " W " sitting was discouraged because it causes issues with the hip sockets. It's discouraged for all kids, not just the clubfoot kids. " W " sitting is when the child sits on their bottom, with the top half of the legs in front, then bends the knees and tucks the bottom half of the legs and feet on either side of them. So if you were to look at them from an aerial view, the shape of their legs from foot to foot would be a " W " shape. There are *lots* of " W sitting " conversations on this board in the archives if someone wants to dig waaaaay back. & (3-16-00) > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > I was going to post about this today too! only 'w' sits while in > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she will go right back to > w. I > > notice that when she is in the brace everything (toys, etc) is > easier to > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just goes to her butt > from her > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play with toys when she > has her > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think that is mostly the > problem. I > > need suggestions too. > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting is bad. > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > x374 > > x374 > > fax > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 grace sits in the W position all the time.. brace or no brace.. but me and my sister always did too.. i did up till i was pregnant with grace... but i didn't know there was anything bad about it.. mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 14/7 --- faith slattery wrote: > What is " W " sitting? > > jaymz3372 wrote:Hi, > My sons PT said that " w " sitting is bad on the hips. > However, if > it's not done all the time than it's OK. I'd just > keep an eye on it > so that it doesn't become a habit. > Thanks! > > > > > > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > > > I was going to post about this today too! > only 'w' sits > while in > > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she > will go right back to > > w. I > > > notice that when she is in the brace everything > (toys, etc) is > > easier to > > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just > goes to her butt > > from her > > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play > with toys when she > > has her > > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think > that is mostly the > > problem. I > > > need suggestions too. > > > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting > is bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > > x374 > > > x374 > > > fax > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 grace sits in the W position all the time.. brace or no brace.. but me and my sister always did too.. i did up till i was pregnant with grace... but i didn't know there was anything bad about it.. mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 14/7 --- faith slattery wrote: > What is " W " sitting? > > jaymz3372 wrote:Hi, > My sons PT said that " w " sitting is bad on the hips. > However, if > it's not done all the time than it's OK. I'd just > keep an eye on it > so that it doesn't become a habit. > Thanks! > > > > > > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > > > I was going to post about this today too! > only 'w' sits > while in > > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she > will go right back to > > w. I > > > notice that when she is in the brace everything > (toys, etc) is > > easier to > > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just > goes to her butt > > from her > > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play > with toys when she > > has her > > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think > that is mostly the > > problem. I > > > need suggestions too. > > > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting > is bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > > x374 > > > x374 > > > fax > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 You > mention that she is hand and feet crawling, but is she crawling > regularly? Crawling regularly??? HA! The kid is UNSTOPPABLE!!! The looks of amazement on people's faces when they see her scooting along in her FAB are priceless!!! She prefers hard floors when she has her bar on, she can just kind of scooch/slide it along behind her. I think she must have the shoulders of an Olympic gymnist!! When her bar is off, she crawls normally (hands & knees) on carpets, but the instant she hits a hard surface she's up on hands and feet! It's hysterical! And considering we just installed laminate through the whole house, we figure she'll be walking in no time! Now she's started " walking " with the FAB on when you hold her hands. I call it her " cowboy swagger " . She kind of swings a hip/leg/foot forward, very much like those old western movies when they're about to have a shoot-out! I do talk to her when I put her shoes on, she's really very good about it, unless she's REALLY tired. I've always just tried to be very matter of fact about it, with the other kids, family & strangers. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 You > mention that she is hand and feet crawling, but is she crawling > regularly? Crawling regularly??? HA! The kid is UNSTOPPABLE!!! The looks of amazement on people's faces when they see her scooting along in her FAB are priceless!!! She prefers hard floors when she has her bar on, she can just kind of scooch/slide it along behind her. I think she must have the shoulders of an Olympic gymnist!! When her bar is off, she crawls normally (hands & knees) on carpets, but the instant she hits a hard surface she's up on hands and feet! It's hysterical! And considering we just installed laminate through the whole house, we figure she'll be walking in no time! Now she's started " walking " with the FAB on when you hold her hands. I call it her " cowboy swagger " . She kind of swings a hip/leg/foot forward, very much like those old western movies when they're about to have a shoot-out! I do talk to her when I put her shoes on, she's really very good about it, unless she's REALLY tired. I've always just tried to be very matter of fact about it, with the other kids, family & strangers. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 It makes sense to me...it seems like there would be unnatural pressure & pulling sideways of the knees and hips, and with the brace off it forces the feet into a clubfoot type position like someone said. I can see why it's discouraged. Ava does it because she's crawling around and when she stops she just sits back. Yesterday she was reaching for the dogs bowl and I shooed her away (I was already cleaning up the first spill she made!) so she did just that--sat back on her heels. She's only done it a few times...of course, the first time was her last check up right as the doctor walked in, she sat back just on her CF side and squished the foot up! I knew it was bad, but before I could even move her the doctor walked in & saw it right away!!! " No no mommy, she CAN'T do this...very bad! " Did I feel like a smacked bottom or what!!???! > > > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > > > > > I was going to post about this today too! > > only 'w' sits > > while in > > > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she > > will go right back to > > > w. I > > > > notice that when she is in the brace everything > > (toys, etc) is > > > easier to > > > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just > > goes to her butt > > > from her > > > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play > > with toys when she > > > has her > > > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think > > that is mostly the > > > problem. I > > > > need suggestions too. > > > > > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting > > is bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > > > x374 > > > > x374 > > > > fax > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 It makes sense to me...it seems like there would be unnatural pressure & pulling sideways of the knees and hips, and with the brace off it forces the feet into a clubfoot type position like someone said. I can see why it's discouraged. Ava does it because she's crawling around and when she stops she just sits back. Yesterday she was reaching for the dogs bowl and I shooed her away (I was already cleaning up the first spill she made!) so she did just that--sat back on her heels. She's only done it a few times...of course, the first time was her last check up right as the doctor walked in, she sat back just on her CF side and squished the foot up! I knew it was bad, but before I could even move her the doctor walked in & saw it right away!!! " No no mommy, she CAN'T do this...very bad! " Did I feel like a smacked bottom or what!!???! > > > > Hi . Sorry about your loss. > > > > > > > > I was going to post about this today too! > > only 'w' sits > > while in > > > > the brace. I always reposition her, but she > > will go right back to > > > w. I > > > > notice that when she is in the brace everything > > (toys, etc) is > > > easier to > > > > reach when she is up on her knees, then she just > > goes to her butt > > > from her > > > > knees. It is harder for her to reach and play > > with toys when she > > > has her > > > > feet and brace out in front of her. I think > > that is mostly the > > > problem. I > > > > need suggestions too. > > > > > > > > Also, someone please remind me why 'w' sitting > > is bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shook > > > > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > > > > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > > > > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > > > > Vienna, VA 22182 > > > > x374 > > > > x374 > > > > fax > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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