Coromega vs. EyeQ

February 9, 2008

Hi,

My son has been taking coromega 2 packets a day for almost 2 years. I am

considering switching to eyeQ to see if we get a better response.

Does anyone have suggestions on which EyeQ product to use. I am looking at

the eye q smooth as it seems to be the consistency of coromega.

Thanks for your advice.

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February 10, 2008

Are these products to help with speech development???????

-- [ ] Coromega vs. EyeQ

Hi,

My son has been taking coromega 2 packets a day for almost 2 years. I am

considering switching to eyeQ to see if we get a better response.

Does anyone have suggestions on which EyeQ product to use. I am looking at

the eye q smooth as it seems to be the consistency of coromega.

Thanks for your advice.

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February 10, 2008

Have you seen any response with the Coromega?

>

> Hi,

>

> My son has been taking coromega 2 packets a day for almost 2

years. I am considering switching to eyeQ to see if we get a better

response.

>

> Does anyone have suggestions on which EyeQ product to use. I am

looking at the eye q smooth as it seems to be the consistency of

coromega.

>

> Thanks for your advice.

>

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February 10, 2008

Yes, I'd be interested to know as well. I know there are plenty of people on

this line who prefer the Coromega over NN or EyeQ. We've used NN products for

years but I'm considering changing as well - we've had great success with the NN

products but I feel as if Josh as plateaued. In the past, I've either reduced

the amount of NN, then went back to the full amount and saw surges but there has

not been one after this last reduction/return. I did get a box of Coromega

packets and tried them over the weekend (we were traveling - must admit the

packets are much easier to deal with when traveling!) but I will be using up the

last of the NN (Complete 3-6-9) as I switch over to the packets only. Since I

do give extra EPA, I'll likely continue giving him the additional capsules of

EPA and gamma's - the Coromega does not have an equivalent amount of EPA to what

Josh has been getting.

BTW - I had a long conversation with the salesperson at the Vitamin Shoppe

where I get my stuff on occasion (I have a great guy at the health food store

and the guy at the Shoppe - sometimes they disagree in their advice). He said

that, since Coromega has a faster absorption rate, more of it stays in a

person's system - gets there sooner and stays longer. According to him, and the

box, since the absorption rate is just about 3 times faster than other fish oil

products, you'd wind up using less of it and saving money in the long run. I'm

not in this to " save money in the long run " but does the absorption rate issue

make sense to other people?

Sherry and Josh

btndv <btndv@...> wrote:

Have you seen any response with the Coromega?

>

> Hi,

>

> My son has been taking coromega 2 packets a day for almost 2

years. I am considering switching to eyeQ to see if we get a better

response.

>

> Does anyone have suggestions on which EyeQ product to use. I am

looking at the eye q smooth as it seems to be the consistency of

coromega.

>

> Thanks for your advice.

>

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February 10, 2008

I have used the Eye Q Smooth, and my child does like the taste. I have read on

this forum

(very old posts, I believe) that some have used Eye Q and have had success. The

Eye Q

doesn't have the exact formula that ProEFA has (I believe that EPA/DHA ratio is

different.

Eye Q has its GLA from evening primrose instead of borage oil.)

We are in the United States, and have it shipped from England. I wanted to

mention that

some of packets separated, so they were oily, and not really usable. The

company was

kind enough to replace them (which was great because having it shipped from

England is

pricey -- usless, of course, you are in England).

I believe it is cheaper and perhaps better (any opinions??????) to go with

ProEFA if you can

get your child to take it.

My child now swalows capsules so when I run out of Eye Q Smooth, I am probably

going to

go with ProEFA, and I am wondering if I might see more improvement on the

" exact " right

formula (again, any opinions?).

I know that you want Omega 3 (higher EPA than DHA) AND a little bit of Omega 6

-- what I

am unsure about is how important it is to use the precisely " correct " the ratio

of EPA to

DHA to GLA.

Having said all that, I did a lot of research on Equazen and do believe it is a

pure, quality

fish oil, like Nordic Naturals.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My son has been taking coromega 2 packets a day for almost 2

> years. I am considering switching to eyeQ to see if we get a better

> response.

> >

> > Does anyone have suggestions on which EyeQ product to use. I am

> looking at the eye q smooth as it seems to be the consistency of

> coromega.

> >

> > Thanks for your advice.

> >

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February 11, 2008

Sherry let me know what formula you have your child on now -and what

dosage as well. And how old is your son now?

Coromega over the years has been the best pure Omega 3 but not as

good for most who tried it as the Omega 3/6 formulas. I searched

through the archives and find most stop Coromega to start ProEFA -

rare the other way so yes please let us know what changes you

notice. As we all know the changes are pretty quick. Sara (I put

her email there -from the archives) is giving two boxes of the

Coromega away -for free -now her child's on 369/ProEFA so she's one

that used both and I guess likes the NN better. I do know over the

years that ProEFA and EyeQ are about the same in effectiveness -but

most from the US buy NN and most from the UK buy the EyeQ for

cost/shipping reasons. Both ProEFA and EyeQ appear to be a bit

better than Efalex.

And Sherry you are doing the same thing as the parent below.

Coromega and ProEPA -that's just two versions of the same pure Omega

3 high EPA formula. If anything I'd mix the ProEFA (which has Omega 6)with the

Coromega -not the ProEPA. So ProEFA with ProEPA or ProEFA with

Coromega -which ever one has higher EPA. See below -the mom giving

her child both Coromega and ProEPA (same thing -high EPA -pure Omega

3) says her child is a nonresponder -but who knows since my child and

most others didn't respond to pure Omega 3 either? Then again -

without the 6 -your best chance is with high EPA. And not to go off

on another oil -but for those with children on cod liver oil or CLO

or DHA Jr (all the same thing) you can't do high dosages due to the

natural vitamin A and most CLO is higher DHA -and EPA appears to be

the better Omega 3 to raise.

Below are some archives -if anyone finds any others that shed light

on this topic please post them. There isn't much.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archives

hi

i have two boxes of coromega that have not expired. we are using omega

369 and other stuff and not using these. if you want to pick them up

in north brunswick, they are yours.

sara

" Sara " sblny@...

Re: Coromega & ?

Initially we tried Coromega but my child is a resistant eater and

it's easier for me to give him the Nordic Naturals oils in an oral

medicine syringe.

The oils are easier for him to swallow. Because Coromega is thick he

was able to spit it out; it also triggered his gag reflex.

>

> ...Thankyou for responding. I was beginning to think no

one else used Coromega. How much Vit E are you giving. We are just

starting that too. What is Depakote? Aggie in VA

> [ ] Re: Coromega & ?

>

> >

> > Hi...I'm new to this list. I have been reading posts and I

know

> that a lot of you are using Pro EFA and Pro EPA together. We

have

> been using Coromega and I was wondering what you all think of

that and

> can I use Pro EPA with it.

>

> Hello,

>

> I give my son both Coromega and Pro EPA. I think that he may

actually

> be one of the rare non-responders for EFAs, but we're giving

them

> another try. I haven't had any bad effects (though we did the

first

> time around when were doing only EFAs with no vitamin E.

>

> (CA - mom to , 2.6, verbal apraxia [and everything else

resolved

> from the introduction of Depakote!)

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

=====

February 11, 2008

Is there something about coromega that makes it better for autistics

rather than apraxics and the 3/6 better for apraxics? I need to

figure out 's " formula " for lack of a better term.

> >

> > ...Thankyou for responding. I was beginning to think no

> one else used Coromega. How much Vit E are you giving. We are just

> starting that too. What is Depakote? Aggie in VA

>

> > [ ] Re: Coromega & ?

> >

> > >

> > > Hi...I'm new to this list. I have been reading posts and I

> know

> > that a lot of you are using Pro EFA and Pro EPA together. We

> have

> > been using Coromega and I was wondering what you all think of

> that and

> > can I use Pro EPA with it.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I give my son both Coromega and Pro EPA. I think that he may

> actually

> > be one of the rare non-responders for EFAs, but we're giving

> them

> > another try. I haven't had any bad effects (though we did the

> first

> > time around when were doing only EFAs with no vitamin E.

> >

> > (CA - mom to , 2.6, verbal apraxia [and everything else

> resolved

> > from the introduction of Depakote!)

>

> " Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

> (Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

> GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There

> were some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything

> about them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and

> GLA appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

>

> ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

> little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

>

> I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

> make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

> oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

> chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

> Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

> EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

> in the past.

>

> Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

> other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

> son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

> the GLA.

>

> Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

> of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

> the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

> fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA

> into DHA. This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is

> about 10%) and is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6

> fatty acids from most vegetable oils or certain disease states.

> Therefore, it is advisable to independently consume also ready made

> EPA and DHA from good quality fish of from high quality fish oil

> supplements. Some recommended intakes are listed on the

> Introductory lecture on EFAs that I gave at the First Conference on

> Therapy of Verbal Apraxia, July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (

> http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

>

> The CHERAB Foundation's positive research results on potential

> improvement in speech following EFA supplementation are based

> on the use of ProEFA (Complete Omega) and that contains also

> another essential fatty acid, GLA which is an omega-6 fatty acid.

> The latter appears to be beneficial to children with apraxia. It is

> not present in flax seed/flaxseed oil.

>

> None of these materials present with any known side effects or

> known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

> advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

> supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

> with medical advice.

>

> Sincerely,

> Katz, Ph.D. "

> http://www.cherab.org/information/indexinformation.html#diet

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> =====

>

February 11, 2008

Hi -

Josh is going to be 10 in May - time really flies considering I've been in

this group, OMG, going on 6 years now! We started Josh on NN on July 27, 2002,

if memory serves! Wow, this line has seen me and Josh through quite a bit over

these almost six years!

Right now, until I run out of NN product, Josh is taking - between the

Complete Omega 3-6-9 and additional EPA, and a separate d-gamma supplement - a

total of 1100mg EPA, 550mg DHA, 377mg other 3's, 165mg GLA, 471mg OA, 460IU

Vit.E, 440 d-gamma, and 125mg d-beta and delta tocopherols. I know I'm a bit

more on the conservative side dosage-wise, but this is what I've been able to

work to/maintain without behavior issues creeping in (or bloody noses from too

many IUs of Vit. E). And, as I wrote, Josh has been on a plateau for awhile

now.

The Coromega is significantly less. The Coromega alone (one packet) is 350mg

EPA, 250mg DHA, 650mg other long-chain 3's, and only 3IU of Vit. E. I'll

continue with the additional EPA so totals with that will be 775mg EPA, 350mg

DHA, 740mg other 3's, 71mg OA, 430IU Vit.E, 440 d-gamma, and 125mg d-beta and

delta tocopherols. It will be much heavier on the " other 3's " so it will be

interesting to see what the results will be. I could probably give two packets

of the Coromega to bring the EPA back up but it will also raise the " other 3's "

even more and I'm not sure about that. Or I could double the NN EPA capsules to

increase the EPA and a little increase in the DHA without significantly

increasing the " other 3's. " The absence of GLA will be interesting to see. As

with increasing dosages before with NN products, I'll take it pretty slowly to

see what effects there are. My primary question about Coromega (along with the

dosage shift/change) is whether the absorption

issue has any effect on the amount that is necessary to see the kind of results

I have been seeing (when Josh is not on a plateau). If the omega-3's in

Coromega are absorbed 3 times faster than NN, for example, does that mean they

stay in the system that much longer as well? How long does fish oil remain in

the system and does the " 3 times faster " absorption rate matter in the long run?

Do those questions make sense?

With all that said, however, I need to stop all fish oils and vitamin E's on

March 1 - Josh is going in for a tonsillectomy on March 19 and all of this needs

to stop since it will tend to act as a blood thinner. So, I'll likely stick

with NN until March 1, stop everything, and when he recovers, I'll make the

switch (temporarily? permanently?) to Coromega. I'll be sure to keep everyone

up to date on what happens.

Thanks, - I've learned so much from the people on this line over these

years - subjects have run the gamut, some relevant to Josh, some not, some just

interesting to read about, but I am most thankful I was able to find this group

- it has helped me learn, grow, keep myself grounded through some rough spots,

and, most of all, it has helped Josh immensely. When we started, he had one

syllable - " ba " - for everything. Without increasing speech therapy, he started

on the fish oils and started saying words within 3 weeks. With speech therapy,

he has proved " the evil doc " wrong again and again - his vocabulary is huge, his

intelligibility has come along in strides, and he has the confidence to actually

stand in front of his class and do a " book report. "

There seems to be a thread going knocking the breadth of subjects this line

covers. As with others who have written, if it doesn't apply to you, delete it.

But don't always brush off the subject either since you never know when you can

glean some nugget from someone else's experiences and apply it to your own

situation. There are many times I'll see a subject line that I don't find

interesting and, I admit, I just delete it without reading it. But most times I

at least scan through posts, many times responding or sticking in my two cents

;-). We're all always learning here, and in life, and everyone is entitled to

voice their opinions, experiences, lessons, suggestions - the reader has the

option of listening to them or simply, as with television, turning it off.

JMTC.

Sherry and Josh

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