Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 At my son's 4 yr check-up the Ped. said we could do two now and two later or we could wait till he was 5. I chose to wait till he was 5 because Landon was quite upset at the doctors office. As a Ped in general she usually waits till they are 5 to give them. Tina > > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these four shots at the age of 4: > DTaP > IPV > MMR > Varicella > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once? > comments? advice? > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible alternatives now.) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 You might want to check and see what your State Health Department actually requires " by law " . I just discovered this last booster for all the shots you listed is not required by our State (Minnesota) Health Department. We are definitely opting out of these for all four of my children (I have 3 year old twins, and 4 year old twins). While I don't know if vaccines caused the apraxia issues with my 3 year old boys I'm not comfortable putting anything else in their bodies at this time. If nothing else, I'd talk to them about spacing the vaccines out and breaking the MMR shot into 3 separate ones. Then make the decision you feel most comfortable with. > > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these four shots at the age of 4: > DTaP > IPV > MMR > Varicella > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once? > comments? advice? > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible alternatives now.) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Is this a second MMR and a booster DPT? I am checking tithers (sp) on these. A number of kids do not need the extra shots and the second MMR is not even a booster...it is a second tough shot. Lots of folks think the MMR should be separated as the viruses involved are rough (even if you get fresh rather than aluminum preserved). My thought as a parent is: 1) If the kid has the tithers, why do it again (there is a law in NJ, Holly's Law, that addresses it) and if it did not take the first time I personally would wonder if it would take a second. These are individual decisions but for me and mine I'd really want the tithers info and I'd seriously question giving a neurocompromised kid these shots if they were not fresh, not separated, etc. > > > > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these > four shots at the age of 4: > > DTaP > > IPV > > MMR > > Varicella > > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we > should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once? > > comments? advice? > > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > alternatives now.) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 1) If the kid has the tithers, why do it again (there is > a law in NJ, Holly's Law, that addresses it) A positive titer is acceptable anywhere. Because some people don't understand what this means it may need a doctor's note along with it. and if it did not take > the first time I personally would wonder if it would take a second. Measles and Mumps almost never " take " the first time around. It is a two-series shot, just like the Hep B is a three series shot. Rubella only requires one shot. You can do them separately, but few doctors have them this way. I was told a few years ago that the manufacturer stopped making the measles and mumps separately for distribution in the US. My oldest did not get his second MMR (and some day we'll run a titer) and my younger son got the measles separate, but we moved before he could get the mumps. His doctor here cannot get them individually. Well initially the office said I'd have to purchase the entire 20 shots so he could get the one, but later they said they couldn't even get them individually. Miche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Varicella There are issues with this one. would be concerned about it for three reasons: 1) may not take if your kid has an autoimmune thing (daughter did not get immunity from my chickenpox from in utero) and likely got no help from this 2) comes from human embryo...own set of troubles there perhaps 3) there is other problematic talk about this particular shot so I'd read up first to decide. > > > > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these > four shots at the age of 4: > > DTaP > > IPV > > MMR > > Varicella > > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we > should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once? > > comments? advice? > > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > alternatives now.) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 From what I've always thought, and i could be VERY wrong, is that you can waive the shots. You are not mandated to vaccinate your child. There's a waiver that some people use for religious purposes, etc..... @...: lizlaw@...: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:03:32 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: vaccines at 4yrs old Re: VaricellaThere are issues with this one. would be concerned about it for three reasons:1) may not take if your kid has an autoimmune thing (daughter did not get immunity from my chickenpox from in utero) and likely got no help from this2) comes from human embryo...own set of troubles there perhaps3) there is other problematic talk about this particular shot so I'd read up first to decide.> >> > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these > four shots at the age of 4:> > DTaP> > IPV> > MMR> > Varicella> > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we > should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once?> > comments? advice?> > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > alternatives now.)> >> _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 We're in NJ and had titers drawn in lieu of the second MMR shot. My son was immune to measles and rubella, but not mumps, so we had an individual shot. Here is some vaccine information given to me by our DAN doctor (don't ask me to explain any of it -- I'm just copying it): paraphrase: There are large amounts of thimerosal still in the DT shot (and the flu and RhoGam shots, too), but not the DTaP. Their modified vaccine schedule has the DTaP, IPV, and MMR shots given between 4 and 5 years old, and I think they prefer that the child has no more than one shot at a time. MMR should only be given if titers are negative, and varicella if there has been no immunity from infection (this is the first/only varicella shot on their schedule.) If you must get the MMR shot again, it is preferable to split it. Web sites of interest: www.thinktwice.com www.909shot.com " This is a wonderful web page that goes into fine detail about the issue of getting a religious exemption from vaccination. http://www.know-vaccines.org/exemptionFAQ.html This page is specific to the law as it is written in Florida, but most of the points would be relevant for any state that permits such an exemption. " " Certain supplements may improve immune responses to the vaccines as well as tolerance of natural infections. At this time I would recommend: --cod liver oil 1/2 teaspoon per day for natural vitamin A (Nordic Naturals has a mercury free brand of cod liver oil that is good tasting.) --Vitamin C 250-500 mg fo rone day before and after vaccines are given. --Transfer Factor one capsule daily for the first two years. Hope that helps! in NJ > > > > > > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > > social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next > summer > > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have > these > > four shots at the age of 4: > > > DTaP > > > IPV > > > MMR > > > Varicella > > > > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered > between > > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe > we > > should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at > once? > > > comments? advice? > > > > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > > alternatives now.) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi I also need more info about how to get exemptions for my 2 children who are 2 1/2 and just about 4 , they have completely not had any vaccines and I would like to keep it that way. My son , who will be 4 in Nov. and has delays has a very strong immune system and I am really afraid to put anything into his body too, I just feel I can't take a chance . I spoke to a knowledgable lawyer who specializes in vaccine exemptions last week actually , and she did say that it's pretty hard to get an exemption , it is up pretty much up to the individual directors or principals to accept unvaccinated kids or not. Some accept the exemptions, and others give more problems. I guess if the children are homeschooled it's easier, but she said that people should still get official paperwork and have it in order and on file. Hanagan <hanagan_8@...> wrote: From what I've always thought, and i could be VERY wrong, is that you can waive the shots. You are not mandated to vaccinate your child. There's a waiver that some people use for religious purposes, etc..... @...: lizlaw@...: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:03:32 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: vaccines at 4yrs old Re: VaricellaThere are issues with this one. would be concerned about it for three reasons:1) may not take if your kid has an autoimmune thing (daughter did not get immunity from my chickenpox from in utero) and likely got no help from this2) comes from human embryo...own set of troubles there perhaps3) there is other problematic talk about this particular shot so I'd read up first to decide.> >> > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these > four shots at the age of 4:> > DTaP> > IPV> > MMR> > Varicella> > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we > should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once?> > comments? advice?> > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > alternatives now.)> >> __________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 You have to check your state and with your doctor. In NJ, for example, if your doctor thinks an altered schedule or a medical exemption is in order, that is allowed. Checking tithers (sp) helps with that. There is also a religious exemption. > >> > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to have these > four shots at the age of 4:> > DTaP> > IPV> > MMR> > Varicella> > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be administered between > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we > should ask that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once?> > comments? advice?> > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > alternatives now.)> >> > > __________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 In Colorado I have refused/spread out the vaccines and the school called me in to sign a personal exemption- no questions asked. On 9/27/07, ilizzy03 <lizlaw@...> wrote: > > You have to check your state and with your doctor. In NJ, for > example, if your doctor thinks an altered schedule or a medical > exemption is in order, that is allowed. Checking tithers (sp) helps > with that. There is also a religious exemption. > > > >> > Our > son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/emotional > delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > because they gave > him so many at once at a time when he also was > getting over a cold > with an ear infection). He will be 4 next summer > and we are worried > because we know the Schools want him to have these > four shots at > the age of 4:> > DTaP> > IPV> > MMR> > Varicella> > > > The schedule > from the CDC says these should be administered between > the ages of > 4 and 6. does anyone have any advice on these? Maybe we > should ask > that they be given in 6 months intervals, not all at once?> > > comments? advice?> > > > (I know it is early, but we want to start > investigating possible > alternatives now.)> >> > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get > it now! > > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 That depends on the state. Some states do not have a legal means to refuse vaccinations unless you say it is for religious purposes. Kris The Knitting Wannabe http://knittingwannabe.typepad.com Sonny & Shear: The I’ve Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop http://www.sonnyandshear.com On Sep 26, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Hanagan wrote: > From what I've always thought, and i could be VERY wrong, is that > you can waive the shots. You are not mandated to vaccinate your > child. There's a waiver that some people use for religious > purposes, etc..... > > @...: > lizlaw@...: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:03:32 +0000Subject: > [ ] Re: vaccines at 4yrs old > > Re: VaricellaThere are issues with this one. would be concerned > about it for three reasons:1) may not take if your kid has an > autoimmune thing (daughter did not get immunity from my chickenpox > from in utero) and likely got no help from this2) comes from human > embryo...own set of troubles there perhaps3) there is other > problematic talk about this particular shot so I'd read up first to > decide.--- In , " Allyssa " > <allyssak26@...> wrote:>> You might want to check and see what your > State Health Department > actually requires " by law " . I just > discovered this last booster for > all the shots you listed is not > required by our State (Minnesota) > Health Department. We are > definitely opting out of these for all four > of my children (I > have 3 year old twins, and 4 year old twins). While > I don't know > if vaccines caused the apraxia issues with my 3 year old > boys I'm > not comfortable putting anything else in their bodies at > this > time.> > If nothing else, I'd talk to them about spacing the > vaccines out and > breaking the MMR shot into 3 separate ones. Then > make the decision > you feel most comfortable with.> > --- > In , Molly <mau_li@> wrote:> >> > > Our son is three and we believe his apraxia and his > social/ > emotional delays stem from his vaccines as a infant (mostly > > because they gave him so many at once at a time when he also was > > getting over a cold with an ear infection). He will be 4 next > summer > and we are worried because we know the Schools want him to > have these > four shots at the age of 4:> > DTaP> > IPV> > MMR> > > Varicella> > > > The schedule from the CDC says these should be > administered between > the ages of 4 and 6. does anyone have any > advice on these? Maybe we > should ask that they be given in 6 > months intervals, not all at once?> > comments? advice?> > > > (I > know it is early, but we want to start investigating possible > > alternatives now.)> >> > > __________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get > it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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