Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 I'm a little behind these days -- did you get a response on this from ? www.enzymestuff.com has lots of great information about enzymes, including this issue. The warning about enzymes is this: a lot of kids are taking mega doses of certain supplements (E, fish oil, etc.) because they aren't getting enough the regular way. As enzymes heal the gut, your body stops leaking out the good stuff and you start absorbing more. That means you may no longer need the mega doses to achieve the same benefits. Since vitamin E is a fat soluble vitamin, I guess you have to watch out at the higher doses once you are healed. So, MY interpretation (I'm not a doctor, people!) is that if your gut needs healing, you should definitely pursue that by any necessary means, including enzymes. But you need to watch for signs of too much E, although I'm not well-versed on what those are except perhaps strange bruising due to clotting issues. The healing doesn't happen overnight, so as you use enzymes, you may want to drift to a lower dose and see if you lose any of the benefits of the E. If not, stay low. Is there a particular reason you are considering enzymes? We have used them for awhile with excellent results. in NJ > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of your old posts. I > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using enzymes when one's child is > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more efficiently on enzymes > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain from using enzymes? > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They don't really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases were your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats etc...are not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If poor absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids have pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects from vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low to begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one option and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a day or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those using higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but we know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of your old posts. I > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using enzymes when one's child is > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more efficiently on enzymes > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain from using enzymes? > > Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Pancreatic Insufficiency Cousin's kid was scoped for celiac this week and dinner from the night before was still in her belly. I mentioned that my dinner from the night before showed up in the CAT Scan and whhile the techs were surprised the GI did not seem concerned. Is that a marker for pancreatic insufficiency? > > > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat > malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They don't > really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases were > your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats etc...are > not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver > conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If poor > absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and > decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids have > pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just > don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. > > If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the > supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects from > vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low to > begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one option > and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a day > or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those using > higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is > helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but we > know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is > helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of > your old posts. I > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > enzymes when one's child is > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more > efficiently on enzymes > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain > from using enzymes? > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 Should look into gastroparisis. Slow emptying of the stomach. Easy to test for. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ilizzy03 Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: [ ] Re: : Question on Enzymes Re: Pancreatic Insufficiency Cousin's kid was scoped for celiac this week and dinner from the night before was still in her belly. I mentioned that my dinner from the night before showed up in the CAT Scan and whhile the techs were surprised the GI did not seem concerned. Is that a marker for pancreatic insufficiency? > > > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat > malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They don't > really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases were > your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats etc...are > not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver > conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If poor > absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and > decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids have > pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just > don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. > > If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the > supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects from > vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low to > begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one option > and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a day > or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those using > higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is > helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but we > know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is > helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of > your old posts. I > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > enzymes when one's child is > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more > efficiently on enzymes > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain > from using enzymes? > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 In the book, " Enzymes for Autism and Other Neurological Disorders " , deFelice discusses taking enzymes between meals to detoxify and clear out the garbage in the system, which would lead to gut healing. No-Fenol, for example, breaks down yeast. So, no the enzymes don't heal like a medicine, but they lead to healing. I don't understand how the enzymes could work that way, since they supposedly only work on digesting the foods that they are designed to work on, but that's what she says. in NJ > > > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat > malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They don't > really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases were > your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats etc...are > not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver > conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If poor > absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and > decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids have > pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just > don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. > > If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the > supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects from > vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low to > begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one option > and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a day > or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those using > higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is > helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but we > know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is > helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of > your old posts. I > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > enzymes when one's child is > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more > efficiently on enzymes > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain > from using enzymes? > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 > > > > > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat > > malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They > don't > > really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases > were > > your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats > etc...are > > not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver > > conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If > poor > > absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and > > decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids > have > > pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just > > don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. > > > > If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the > > supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects > from > > vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low > to > > begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one > option > > and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a > day > > or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those > using > > higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is > > helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but > we > > know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is > > helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one > of > > your old posts. I > > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > > enzymes when one's child is > > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E > more > > efficiently on enzymes > > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to > refrain > > from using enzymes? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Janice, Is ordering from spectrumsupplements.com cheaper than ordering direction from Houston Nutraceuticals? I need to place an order soon, and I've never shopped around, as I assumed they are price fixed. in NJ > > > > > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat > > malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They > don't > > really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases > were > > your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats > etc...are > > not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver > > conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If > poor > > absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and > > decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids > have > > pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just > > don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. > > > > If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the > > supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects > from > > vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low > to > > begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one > option > > and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a > day > > or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those > using > > higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is > > helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but > we > > know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is > > helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one > of > > your old posts. I > > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > > enzymes when one's child is > > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E > more > > efficiently on enzymes > > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to > refrain > > from using enzymes? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I have been reading the enzyme posts and didn't know if I should chime in or not. We use enzymes. We were gfcf for 4 or 5 months before starting them. I started them because I wanted to not sweat the diet and " infractions " on Christmas day. Anyway, I let her cheat a bit too often and it became obvious (decreased language, increased sensory stuff). So, we use enzymes but we use them for cheating. And I limit how often we cheat. In other words, enzymes give us the freedom to go out to eat a bit easier, to let Grace eat pizza (real pizza... not the fake stuff), go to a birthday party and be like everyone else, etc. That said, if she " cheats " more than about three times in a single weekend (and sometimes more than twice) the stools get loose again and she starts getting " twitty " . Regarding getting the stuff in her.... I had no success with the chewables. I also failed at sprinkling them on something and getting her to eat them. I failed at making the little chocolate candies out of them. I didn't succeed until I took a look at the amount of food the child eats in a single bite versus the size of the capsule. So....I got a piece of cake (that she really wanted) and showed it to her. I then told her to get the cake she had to take the pills. Now... she was just shy of 3 when we started this. I put a bit of icing on the pill and told her not to chew it. After a few tries.... success. We do this same type of coaching each time and she's now a champ about taking them. But there's got to be an incentive. She will not just take them. Tried that.... failed. She has to actually see what the reward is or she will not cooperate. Overall, enzymes have helped us to live a bit of a more normal life so for us they are a blessing. That said, enzymes have NEVER been intended for use in folks with celiac or celiac like conditions. They are only for those who have a non-celiac relateed intolerance to gluten, dairy, etc. If you suspect your child may have celiac tendencies then using enzymes in place of the celiac restrictions will only result in an ill child. Kris The Knitting Wannabe http://knittingwannabe.typepad.com Sonny & Shear: The I’ve Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop http://www.sonnyandshear.com On Sep 28, 2007, at 7:55 PM, bigcheech91 wrote: > I'm a little behind these days -- did you get a response on this from > ? www.enzymestuff.com has lots of great information about > enzymes, including this issue. The warning about enzymes is this: a > lot of kids are taking mega doses of certain supplements (E, fish oil, > etc.) because they aren't getting enough the regular way. As enzymes > heal the gut, your body stops leaking out the good stuff and you start > absorbing more. That means you may no longer need the mega doses to > achieve the same benefits. Since vitamin E is a fat soluble vitamin, I > guess you have to watch out at the higher doses once you are healed. > > So, MY interpretation (I'm not a doctor, people!) is that if your gut > needs healing, you should definitely pursue that by any necessary > means, including enzymes. But you need to watch for signs of too much > E, although I'm not well-versed on what those are except perhaps > strange bruising due to clotting issues. The healing doesn't happen > overnight, so as you use enzymes, you may want to drift to a lower > dose > and see if you lose any of the benefits of the E. If not, stay low. > > Is there a particular reason you are considering enzymes? We have used > them for awhile with excellent results. > > in NJ > > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of > your old posts. I > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > enzymes when one's child is > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more > efficiently on enzymes > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain > from using enzymes? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 , I do confess that I didn't do a price check! I was ordering a wide variety of supplements at the time and so spectrumsupplements was a good choice for me. In addition, I use the Canadian site of Spectrum Supplements and to compare would require conversion... which changes daily. Hmmm. Come to think of it, the Canadian $$ is doing pretty well right now, perhaps next time I WILL buy from the US site! Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Just to give you a little hope for the future: used to resist taking the chewables, too, and the powdered stuff in a drink was a complete non-starter. Eventually, he realized that I wasn't going to give in, and he's been more than compliant ever since. Most of the time, I shove five chewables in his mouth at once to speed the process. He even likes 2 of the 3! in NJ > > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of > > your old posts. I > > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > > enzymes when one's child is > > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more > > efficiently on enzymes > > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain > > from using enzymes? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I thought I might give the chewables another go as soon as life settles down for us a bit. We've just moved across the country AND potty trained....all in 1 months time. But, if I could get her to take the chewables I think it would be even easier and there would be no strange looks. The looks you get from other folks/strangers when you are getting your child to take a capsule can be a bit daunting. Such is life. Kris The Knitting Wannabe http://knittingwannabe.typepad.com Sonny & Shear: The I’ve Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop http://www.sonnyandshear.com On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:31 PM, bigcheech91 wrote: > Just to give you a little hope for the future: used to > resist taking the chewables, too, and the powdered stuff in a drink > was a complete non-starter. Eventually, he realized that I wasn't > going to give in, and he's been more than compliant ever since. Most > of the time, I shove five chewables in his mouth at once to speed the > process. He even likes 2 of the 3! > > in NJ > > > > > > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across > one of > > > your old posts. I > > > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > > > enzymes when one's child is > > > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E > more > > > efficiently on enzymes > > > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to > refrain > > > from using enzymes? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I find that you need to consume 'more' chewables to get the job done versus the caps. So, be aware of this when you are giving her enzymes. I can use 1 Pepzyde to 3 AFP chewables; otherwise we don't have a good effect. Mark just left on an overnight trip with the school. I worry. He doesn't yet have good friendships at this school of kids who 'get' his dyspraxia and the teachers don't understand it yet either. I hope he'll be okay. I packed a completely GFCF lunch and advised him to go GF at dinner to try to keep his speech really clear. It was good this morning. Not sure.... but I think I'm beginning to see a difference in clear speech days in relation to gluten consumption.... even when using the enzymes. I really don't want to have to go completely GFCF and like my life as CF! But, I will if I have to. I am going to do a food diary for the next couple of weeks to see if I can document a response/coorelation to good articulation days and gluten free days. Janice Re: [ ] Re: : Question on Enzymes I thought I might give the chewables another go as soon as life settles down for us a bit. We've just moved across the country AND potty trained....all in 1 months time. But, if I could get her to take the chewables I think it would be even easier and there would be no strange looks. The looks you get from other folks/strangers when you are getting your child to take a capsule can be a bit daunting. Such is life. Kris The Knitting Wannabe http://knittingwannabe.typepad.com Sonny & Shear: The I've Got Ewe, Babe Yarn Shop http://www.sonnyandshear.com On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:31 PM, bigcheech91 wrote: > Just to give you a little hope for the future: used to > resist taking the chewables, too, and the powdered stuff in a drink > was a complete non-starter. Eventually, he realized that I wasn't > going to give in, and he's been more than compliant ever since. Most > of the time, I shove five chewables in his mouth at once to speed the > process. He even likes 2 of the 3! > > in NJ > > > > > > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across > one of > > > your old posts. I > > > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > > > enzymes when one's child is > > > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E > more > > > efficiently on enzymes > > > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to > refrain > > > from using enzymes? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Houston Nutraceuticals finally came out with their new product, TriEnza. You get a full dose of Peptizyde and a full dose of Zyme Prime and a half dose of No-Fenol all in ONE capsule. No chewables yet, but I ordered a bottle of the capsules to see if I can get him to take those. For those of you who can swallow capsules, this is great news! And we don't get that much with the chewables right now, because we only take 2, 2, and 1 respectively. We might be able to tolerate dairy with 3, 3, and 1 or one TriEnza capsule. We'll see. in NJ > > > > > > > > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across > > one of > > > > your old posts. I > > > > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > > > > enzymes when one's child is > > > > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E > > more > > > > efficiently on enzymes > > > > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > > > > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to > > refrain > > > > from using enzymes? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 I just LOOOOVE my enzymes. I recently had an 'enzyme scare'. I ran out of AFP chewables and Mark is going on an overnight field trip with the school next week. I almost died when I realized we didn't have any chewables left for the trip. I sent my order to spectrumsupplements.com with a note at the bottom regarding our predicament. The guy sent them by overnight courier and I got them the next day! Then he emailed me to make sure they had arrived! I was sooo impressed by this extreme thoughtfulness towards a child the man didn't even know. They now have my business for life! Janice [sPAM] [ ] Re: : Question on Enzymes In the book, " Enzymes for Autism and Other Neurological Disorders " , deFelice discusses taking enzymes between meals to detoxify and clear out the garbage in the system, which would lead to gut healing. No-Fenol, for example, breaks down yeast. So, no the enzymes don't heal like a medicine, but they lead to healing. I don't understand how the enzymes could work that way, since they supposedly only work on digesting the foods that they are designed to work on, but that's what she says. in NJ > > > If one has pancreatic insufficiency for some reason and poor fat > malabsorption as a result, using enzymes would make sense. They don't > really " heal the gut " - they allow for better absorption in cases were > your body's production of the enzymes that help absorpt fats etc...are > not sufficient (like in cystic fibrosis and a varity of rare liver > conditions). Always best to get to the root of the problem. If poor > absorption is due to low pancreatic enzymes best to use enzymes and > decrease the dose of vit E. There is no evidence that these kids have > pancreatic insufficiency (and no evidence that they don't). We just > don't know - and really have no good explanations at this point. > > If someone were to start using ezymes...need to be careful with the > supplements particularly those that are fat soluble. Side effects from > vit E are mainly impact on vit K (which will also possibly be low to > begin with in fat malabsorption syndromes). Adding vit K is one option > and I think a good idea. But if the dose of vit E is at 800 iu a day > or less, I wouldn't worry about it. Its really an issue for those using > higher doses (and again there is no medical evidence that vit E is > helpful and long-term studies of safety in kids are lacking)...but we > know from many on this site that the combo of omega 3 + vit E is > helping a great number of children with apraxia. - > > > , I was research enzymes on this board and came across one of > your old posts. I > > believe that you were saying that one had to be careful in using > enzymes when one's child is > > taking Vitamin E because the child might start absorbing the E more > efficiently on enzymes > > (which might make the dose you are giving suddenly too high). > > > > Did I read this post correctly? Would this be a reason to refrain > from using enzymes? > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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