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The earphones my daughter used for Tomatis were similar to those big

earphones people wear when they are mowing the lawn. Carolyn

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Carolyn,

I haven't seen what the Tomatis headphones look like. These headphones are the

large like the ones you would see a disc jockey wear or a sound booth operator

wear. They are the kind of headphones we used growing up! They are very

comfortable.

Just as a disclaimer here..... I have tried on the bone conduction headphones

but did not purchase them as Mark was pretty much done his need for TLP by then.

The headphones that you use for home listening therapy (whether they are bone

conduction or not) need to be large headphones capable of registering all of the

sounds available to the human ear. They require a certain megahertz to qualify.

The bone conduction head-phones are slightly more fragile and would probably

require a little more supervision (to ensure that they do not get broken by

little dyspraxic fingers!) to keep them safe.

This is " What I hear " ..... firstly, I used the 'old' fashioned basic version of

TLP.... which is probably why it took about a year and a half to completely get

Mark's ears thoroughly normalized but Mark had been living with damage for a

long, long time so..... hard to say here.

The next level up is the newer version which you can get the discs or have

downloaded onto a ipod. This version can use high end earphones (about $120) or

the bone conduction earphones ($900). The advantage of the bone conduction

earphones is that the TLP benefits are realized faster. I hear it works in

roughly half the time.... whatever that is!

I think it all depends on how serious your issue is. For Mark, who was verbal

yet had obvious tonal processing issues, the route we took was the most cost

effective for the real bulk of the therapy time had to be spent on doing digit

spans and repairing his short-term auditory memory. This was what improved the

bulk of his function.... those 'aweful' and 'tedious' digit spans! Yet, they

saved his memory! and the difference to function is remarkeable.

If I could do it all today though, I would probably spend the money on the bone

conduction system. Owning the system means that I can use it forever and ever

if I needed to. If I had had to go back to a clinic over and over again for

over a year, well, I probably would have just died! Even a few months would

have killed me! So having a home system means that I can use it daily at my own

convenience.

Now... apart from the bone conduction headphones, it used to be that the music

quality was only decent at the therapists office. With the advent of digital

technology this is no longer the case. Digital makes it possible for the same

quality of the music to be delivered on your own system. Thus, the only real

difference these days between the therapists office and home is the quality of

the bone conduction. AND.... I suspect that we will see better and better home

conduction headphones come out in response to the high demand in future years.

Now I save my system for my beau whose family has a history of stroke. I am

also considering lending it out to an aquaintance whose girlfriend (a lovely

young 32 year old lawyer) who just suffered a stroke and has lost much of her

auditory capacity. I'm a bit tenative though since I really am reluctant to let

my Listening Program out of my household...... so that is how much I value it!

I hoard it! While it did not prove to be the most important therapy in terms of

improving function, it was necessary in the stream to get to the therapy that

DID improve function. It was one of the necessary steps we needed for success in

the auditory department. I just had to fix Mark's ears!

Note that The Listening Program is the only therapeautic program that I have

personally tried. Thus, it is the only program that I can really speak to.

Yet, I have heard really wonderful things about Tomatis, Berrard, Lift and

others.

Hopefully others will chime in with their experiences so that you get some

different viewpoints.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

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Janice, I trying to decide between having our OT do the listening program at

home (she would still need to take a course on the bone conductor she said)

or continue at the Center (we previously did tomatis there), for my

daughter's auditory processing disorder.

Do (and anyone else) really think there is much of a difference between

doing it at home verses a center? I know with the center they do the

evaluations

and testing, but the therapy can be done at home now with some places.

Also, what size are the headphones for the bone conductor listening program?

My daughter doesn't tolerate the small headphones you would use for a CD

player, but liked the big ones she had for tomatis. Thanks, Carolyn

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Liz...

No you are wrong here. The bone conduction headphones are very, very large and

cushioned. They have no resemblance whatsoever to the little earbuds of ipods.

They resemble the old time headphones that we all grew up with.

Janice

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Carolyn,

I am pretty sure the bone conduction headphones are Ipod like. If you

want to get a free second opinion on what TLP may off er you for your

child email eme offlist. My OT is not certified in the bone

conduction part and has success putting the right kids on TLP and is

very honest if it is the wrong thing. If you tell her your story at

least you'd get an idea and maybe even more questions to ask. She is

a real problem solver that way.

The question is free. Obviously if you used her services for set up

that is different but it sounds like you have an OT.

L

>

> Janice, I trying to decide between having our OT do the listening

program at

> home (she would still need to take a course on the bone conductor

she said)

> or continue at the Center (we previously did tomatis there),

for my

> daughter's auditory processing disorder.

>

> Do (and anyone else) really think there is much of a difference

between

> doing it at home verses a center? I know with the center they do

the evaluations

> and testing, but the therapy can be done at home now with some

places.

>

> Also, what size are the headphones for the bone conductor

listening program?

> My daughter doesn't tolerate the small headphones you would use for

a CD

> player, but liked the big ones she had for tomatis. Thanks, Carolyn

>

>

>

> **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

Grammy

> Awards. Go to AOL Music.

> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The headphones we have are bone conductive but we did get and Ipod from

Rocky Mountain with all the downloads and they threw in some relaxation

ones for me.

Great investment for the ENTIRE family.

Janice wrote:

> Liz...

>

> No you are wrong here. The bone conduction headphones are very, very large

and cushioned. They have no resemblance whatsoever to the little earbuds of

ipods. They resemble the old time headphones that we all grew up with.

>

> Janice

>

>

> [sPAM]]Re: [ ] LISTENING THERAPY OR AUDITORY

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>

>

> Carolyn,

>

> I am pretty sure the bone conduction headphones are Ipod like. If you

> want to get a free second opinion on what TLP may off er you for your

> child email eme offlist. My OT is not certified in the bone

> conduction part and has success putting the right kids on TLP and is

> very honest if it is the wrong thing. If you tell her your story at

> least you'd get an idea and maybe even more questions to ask. She is

> a real problem solver that way.

>

> The question is free. Obviously if you used her services for set up

> that is different but it sounds like you have an OT.

>

>

> L

>

>

> >

> > Janice, I trying to decide between having our OT do the listening

> program at

> > home (she would still need to take a course on the bone conductor

> she said)

> > or continue at the Center (we previously did tomatis there),

> for my

> > daughter's auditory processing disorder.

> >

> > Do (and anyone else) really think there is much of a difference

> between

> > doing it at home verses a center? I know with the center they do

> the evaluations

> > and testing, but the therapy can be done at home now with some

> places.

> >

> > Also, what size are the headphones for the bone conductor

> listening program?

> > My daughter doesn't tolerate the small headphones you would use for

> a CD

> > player, but liked the big ones she had for tomatis. Thanks, Carolyn

> >

> >

> >

> > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

> Grammy

> > Awards. Go to AOL Music.

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry about that. I must have seen the wrong thing.

> >

> > Janice, I trying to decide between having our OT do the

listening

> program at

> > home (she would still need to take a course on the bone

conductor

> she said)

> > or continue at the Center (we previously did tomatis

there),

> for my

> > daughter's auditory processing disorder.

> >

> > Do (and anyone else) really think there is much of a difference

> between

> > doing it at home verses a center? I know with the center they

do

> the evaluations

> > and testing, but the therapy can be done at home now with some

> places.

> >

> > Also, what size are the headphones for the bone conductor

> listening program?

> > My daughter doesn't tolerate the small headphones you would use

for

> a CD

> > player, but liked the big ones she had for tomatis. Thanks,

Carolyn

> >

> >

> >

> > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at

the

> Grammy

> > Awards. Go to AOL Music.

> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

oooooh .... You have bone conduction headphones! better than a Gucci bag

imo!

soooooo jealous...

Janice

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>

>

> Carolyn,

>

> I am pretty sure the bone conduction headphones are Ipod like. If you

> want to get a free second opinion on what TLP may off er you for your

> child email eme offlist. My OT is not certified in the bone

> conduction part and has success putting the right kids on TLP and is

> very honest if it is the wrong thing. If you tell her your story at

> least you'd get an idea and maybe even more questions to ask. She is

> a real problem solver that way.

>

> The question is free. Obviously if you used her services for set up

> that is different but it sounds like you have an OT.

>

>

> L

>

>

> >

> > Janice, I trying to decide between having our OT do the listening

> program at

> > home (she would still need to take a course on the bone conductor

> she said)

> > or continue at the Center (we previously did tomatis there),

> for my

> > daughter's auditory processing disorder.

> >

> > Do (and anyone else) really think there is much of a difference

> between

> > doing it at home verses a center? I know with the center they do

> the evaluations

> > and testing, but the therapy can be done at home now with some

> places.

> >

> > Also, what size are the headphones for the bone conductor

> listening program?

> > My daughter doesn't tolerate the small headphones you would use for

> a CD

> > player, but liked the big ones she had for tomatis. Thanks, Carolyn

> >

> >

> >

> > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

> Grammy

> > Awards. Go to AOL Music.

> > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

> >

> >

> >

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But I do know that when they tested my daughter in the soundproof room, that

ear phone had a bone conductor had it was very small, not like the big one

they gave me for the tomatis sessions. So, maybe you were thinking of that.

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I wish you were nearby, we could share them!

Janice wrote:

> oooooh .... You have bone conduction headphones! better than a Gucci

bag imo!

>

> soooooo jealous...

>

>

>

> Janice

>

> [sPAM]]Re: [ ] LISTENING THERAPY OR AUDITORY

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> >

> >

> > Carolyn,

> >

> > I am pretty sure the bone conduction headphones are Ipod like. If you

> > want to get a free second opinion on what TLP may off er you for your

> > child email eme offlist. My OT is not certified in the bone

> > conduction part and has success putting the right kids on TLP and is

> > very honest if it is the wrong thing. If you tell her your story at

> > least you'd get an idea and maybe even more questions to ask. She is

> > a real problem solver that way.

> >

> > The question is free. Obviously if you used her services for set up

> > that is different but it sounds like you have an OT.

> >

> >

> > L

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Janice, I trying to decide between having our OT do the listening

> > program at

> > > home (she would still need to take a course on the bone conductor

> > she said)

> > > or continue at the Center (we previously did tomatis there),

> > for my

> > > daughter's auditory processing disorder.

> > >

> > > Do (and anyone else) really think there is much of a difference

> > between

> > > doing it at home verses a center? I know with the center they do

> > the evaluations

> > > and testing, but the therapy can be done at home now with some

> > places.

> > >

> > > Also, what size are the headphones for the bone conductor

> > listening program?

> > > My daughter doesn't tolerate the small headphones you would use for

> > a CD

> > > player, but liked the big ones she had for tomatis. Thanks, Carolyn

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the

> > Grammy

> > > Awards. Go to AOL Music.

> > > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

> > >

> > >

> > >