NACD: Any Progress Reports?

[Guest guest]

I hope this isn't too repetitive! I know Janice has had great success with this

program, and

several others started up with this organization. I am wondering if those

people could let

me know if they are seeing progress, and if they would choose this route again.

I am re-evaluating what I should be doing for my 7 year old. I feel like she

has made

tremendous progress overall -- but when thinking about the progress over the

past, say,

6 month, I must say there has been very little.

Her biggest problem is still articulation. She has all of the sounds, except

" L " but her

speech still sounds immature for her age. In school, she does fairly well, but

is working at

a slower pace than some of the other children. (I am not sure exactly why this

is so.) The

slower pace isn't a big problem now, but could become more concerning as she

gets older.

Do you think NACD would be the best option for her when her main problem is

speech?

Her receptive language tests out fine. She has some fine and gross motor

issues, but

these are quite minor, especially compared to articulation. She has been

dismissed from

OT, but continues with speech therapy.

With school, she certainly doesn't have 3 or 4 hours a day to devote to a

program though,

so I don't really know if the NACD program could even be done, except during the

summer.

I guess I am deciding between (1) NACD or (2) keeping the speech therapy going.

I have been using (the equivalent of) 2 ProEFA and 1 ProEPA (and 2 High Gamma

Vitamin

E). Is this dosage too low?

[Guest guest]

You have to be honest with NACD about the time you can commit to

doing program, and they will design an appropriate program for you.

My son is at home for about an hour in the morning and then about 3-

1/2 hours after school. (We go to bed early here.) Our active

program time is about an hour per day, including 15 minutes of the

Listening Program. Additionally, he wears glasses that partially

occlude his left eye for four hours per day, which is basically every

minute at home. It is totally doable and has definitely helped him.

I wish I had discovered NACD years ago! Our speech problems are

pretty much over, so our program is different than what you are

looking for. However, you ask, would we go this route again?

Absolutely! We have an appointment in nine days (I'm counting,

that's how excited I am) for our 19 month old, who is communication

delayed and qualified for EI. This will be a program with a strong

emphasis on speech. I will post as we go along, since it is more

applicable to this group than 's program is at this point.

The best thing about the NACD program is that it is frequent and

specific. In the past, we have had therapists who think they are

giving us homework, but they aren't really specific. They say things

like, " Try to hold up toys near your mouth when you say their names,

so that your child can see your lips moving. " I do do this, but it's

not really a " program " per se. NACD is not vague: Do this specific

activity this exact way for two minutes, three times per day. You

get the idea. You may not need that level of specificity, but I sure

do. In private therapy, made the most progress with one SLP

who gave us homework words from the " Moving Across Syllables "

program. We did them twice a day, every day, and he made fast

progress (in combination with fish oil).

And even though speech is your primary concern, they will probably

discover some other things that will advance her in other ways. Many

kids who go to NACD for awhile don't just catch up, they sometimes

even accelerate past their peers. We are perfectly happy to be

average, since we know how great average is, but I think every child

should have the opportunity to reach his/her full potential. NACD is

one tool out there to accomplish that. I am even using some of the

things we learn from NACD with my other two kids.

in NJ

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[Guest guest]

How does NACD work--what does it focus on or how is it different? What is the

costs??? thanks

bigcheech91 <bigcheech91@...> wrote: You have to be honest with

NACD about the time you can commit to

doing program, and they will design an appropriate program for you.

My son is at home for about an hour in the morning and then about 3-

1/2 hours after school. (We go to bed early here.) Our active

program time is about an hour per day, including 15 minutes of the

Listening Program. Additionally, he wears glasses that partially

occlude his left eye for four hours per day, which is basically every

minute at home. It is totally doable and has definitely helped him.

I wish I had discovered NACD years ago! Our speech problems are

pretty much over, so our program is different than what you are

looking for. However, you ask, would we go this route again?

Absolutely! We have an appointment in nine days (I'm counting,

that's how excited I am) for our 19 month old, who is communication

delayed and qualified for EI. This will be a program with a strong

emphasis on speech. I will post as we go along, since it is more

applicable to this group than 's program is at this point.

The best thing about the NACD program is that it is frequent and

specific. In the past, we have had therapists who think they are

giving us homework, but they aren't really specific. They say things

like, " Try to hold up toys near your mouth when you say their names,

so that your child can see your lips moving. " I do do this, but it's

not really a " program " per se. NACD is not vague: Do this specific

activity this exact way for two minutes, three times per day. You

get the idea. You may not need that level of specificity, but I sure

do. In private therapy, made the most progress with one SLP

who gave us homework words from the " Moving Across Syllables "

program. We did them twice a day, every day, and he made fast

progress (in combination with fish oil).

And even though speech is your primary concern, they will probably

discover some other things that will advance her in other ways. Many

kids who go to NACD for awhile don't just catch up, they sometimes

even accelerate past their peers. We are perfectly happy to be

average, since we know how great average is, but I think every child

should have the opportunity to reach his/her full potential. NACD is

one tool out there to accomplish that. I am even using some of the

things we learn from NACD with my other two kids.

in NJ

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Does NACD only recommend the TLP or similar program (Berard, tomatis)?

Thanks, Carolyn

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I just posted information on the fees, so look for that post

regarding that.

Frequency, Intensity, Duration -- this is the NACD mantra. Whatever

they have you doing, they will have you do it for a short amount of

time very frequently -- mostly two to four times per day for just a

few minutes for each activity. They also believe that what we call a

diagnosis, which implies a static condition, is actual a symptom that

can be improved or even eliminated. Dyslexia, for example, is not a

lifelong 'disease' to them. It's a word that describes a symptom,

which is reading problems. They try to figure out the various

sources of that symptom, and then they give you activities to

remediate each source. They believe that you can change the brain

for the better, permanently, with frequent, intense, specific

activities.

They require potential applicants to listen to their CD, " Guide to

Child Development and Education -- Miracles of Child Development "

before sending in any paperwork. It's six hours long and a little

pricey ($59.95 I think), but it gives you a great idea of what they

are all about. They also have some DVD's on various topics. I

recently purchased the one about Learning and Attention Issues, and I

think it's fantastic! I've watched it twice already, and I watched

the section on auditory issues four times. I plan to lend it to

several friends struggling with how to treat their kids' ADHD.

Some people on this list have read books by Glenn Doman (NACD's

founder is Bob Doman, Glenn's nephew) and put together their own home

programs without the assistance of the NACD. That's not for me -- I

want someone to do that part for me -- but it seems like that would

be a great way to see if you like the approach. Perhaps those people

could chime in with how they decided what to do and which books were

the most helpful to them.

Does that help?

in NJ

You have to be honest

with NACD about the time you can commit to

> doing program, and they will design an appropriate program for you.

> My son is at home for about an hour in the morning and then about 3-

> 1/2 hours after school. (We go to bed early here.) Our active

> program time is about an hour per day, including 15 minutes of the

> Listening Program. Additionally, he wears glasses that partially

> occlude his left eye for four hours per day, which is basically

every

> minute at home. It is totally doable and has definitely helped him.

> I wish I had discovered NACD years ago! Our speech problems are

> pretty much over, so our program is different than what you are

> looking for. However, you ask, would we go this route again?

> Absolutely! We have an appointment in nine days (I'm counting,

> that's how excited I am) for our 19 month old, who is communication

> delayed and qualified for EI. This will be a program with a strong

> emphasis on speech. I will post as we go along, since it is more

> applicable to this group than 's program is at this point.

>

> The best thing about the NACD program is that it is frequent and

> specific. In the past, we have had therapists who think they are

> giving us homework, but they aren't really specific. They say

things

> like, " Try to hold up toys near your mouth when you say their

names,

> so that your child can see your lips moving. " I do do this, but

it's

> not really a " program " per se. NACD is not vague: Do this specific

> activity this exact way for two minutes, three times per day. You

> get the idea. You may not need that level of specificity, but I

sure

> do. In private therapy, made the most progress with one SLP

> who gave us homework words from the " Moving Across Syllables "

> program. We did them twice a day, every day, and he made fast

> progress (in combination with fish oil).

>

> And even though speech is your primary concern, they will probably

> discover some other things that will advance her in other ways.

Many

> kids who go to NACD for awhile don't just catch up, they sometimes

> even accelerate past their peers. We are perfectly happy to be

> average, since we know how great average is, but I think every

child

> should have the opportunity to reach his/her full potential. NACD

is

> one tool out there to accomplish that. I am even using some of the

> things we learn from NACD with my other two kids.

>

> in NJ

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[Guest guest]

,

So happy the occluding is not giving you problems! Congrats.

That is definately the digit spans working! He doesn't need to ask as many

questions because he is processing the information at a higher level. He is

remembering and thus processing more of the auditory information. Just wait

until you get to 8! Of course, you'll get excited a long the way. 7 is also a

big 'ah ha' moment when it comes to the dreaded digit spans. 8 made us

completely normal and " with it " socially. Since I am an 8 in digit spans, I

won't worry if we don't get too much higher! We do hit the odd 9 but we only do

digit spans about once a day now (if that..... oooops! ....bad mommy), so we are

not really working it, just maintaining our level.

BUT..... TLP does work in conjunction with all of this even though we don't

always see it. I recently had a vicious cold in my ear. I have never had this

happen before and I was completely 'zoned'. All of my systems were affected and

I was a mess. Finally I started putting my ear to the heating pad every night

and dragged out Mark's old TLP. The ears 'popped' just this morning even though

the cold has been long gone for over a week now. It really did give me an

education of how debilitating congestion in the ears felt. Though it is not

painful, you are extremely disoriented!

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: NACD: Any Progress

Reports?

>

>

> You have to be honest with NACD about the time you can commit to

> doing program, and they will design an appropriate program for

you.

> My son is at home for about an hour in the morning and then about

3-

> 1/2 hours after school. (We go to bed early here.) Our active

> program time is about an hour per day, including 15 minutes of

the

> Listening Program. Additionally, he wears glasses that partially

> occlude his left eye for four hours per day, which is basically

every

> minute at home. It is totally doable and has definitely helped

him.

> I wish I had discovered NACD years ago! Our speech problems are

> pretty much over, so our program is different than what you are

> looking for. However, you ask, would we go this route again?

> Absolutely! We have an appointment in nine days (I'm counting,

> that's how excited I am) for our 19 month old, who is

communication

> delayed and qualified for EI. This will be a program with a

strong

> emphasis on speech. I will post as we go along, since it is more

> applicable to this group than 's program is at this point.

>

> The best thing about the NACD program is that it is frequent and

> specific. In the past, we have had therapists who think they are

> giving us homework, but they aren't really specific. They say

things

> like, " Try to hold up toys near your mouth when you say their

names,

> so that your child can see your lips moving. " I do do this, but

it's

> not really a " program " per se. NACD is not vague: Do this

specific

> activity this exact way for two minutes, three times per day. You

> get the idea. You may not need that level of specificity, but I

sure

> do. In private therapy, made the most progress with one

SLP

> who gave us homework words from the " Moving Across Syllables "

> program. We did them twice a day, every day, and he made fast

> progress (in combination with fish oil).

>

> And even though speech is your primary concern, they will

probably

> discover some other things that will advance her in other ways.

Many

> kids who go to NACD for awhile don't just catch up, they

sometimes

> even accelerate past their peers. We are perfectly happy to be

> average, since we know how great average is, but I think every

child

> should have the opportunity to reach his/her full potential. NACD

is

> one tool out there to accomplish that. I am even using some of

the

> things we learn from NACD with my other two kids.

>

> in NJ

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>

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[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

When I was at the NACD Rendez Vous this summer, Bob Doman spoke of how TLP got

started in one of his lectures. Many, many years ago he had traveled to France

and met with Alfred Tomatis and was incredibly impressed with the results he was

having with the children.

He was determined to deliver a similiar program to his NACD kids but it HAD to

be delivered at home since that is the method of NACD. (He began sending kids

to Tomatis programs prior to the development of TLP.) So, he started the

company Advanced Brain Technologies and put together The Listening Program. I

believe that a lot of consultation was initially done with Dr. Tomatis when TLP

was developed but don't quote me on this. Brainbuilder which is a crude

computerized method of doing digit spans is also put out by Advanced Brain

Technologies. So, obviously since NACD's sister company actually develops TLP,

they do help you get it but I think that if you are already doing Berrard or

Tomatis, they don't interfere.

The reason that TLP could actually be developed for home use is because of the

revolution of digital technology. Prior to that, it HAD to be conducted in a

clinical setting.

Personally, I still believe that Berrard and Tomatis have the 'best' bone

conduction technology but TLP and other home programs are getting better with

the advent of Bone Conduction headphones (still not as strong as the clinical

versions). BUT, we did not use bone conduction technology on Mark's ears, just

the old fashioned kind of TLP. I will be waiting to hear what the parents

report about the results from the clinical AIT programs as well as the Bone

Conduction Headphones.

The convenience of owning the technology is wonderful these days as you can

reuse it as necessary and the cost is a lot cheaper than the clinical programs

in addition, you don't have to travel to a center for 30 days (which would have

been impossible for us).

I think that everyone has to look at their budget, look at their individual

child and his needs and make really important decisions.

I am facing my budget this year too: Soar Camp at a soaring cost of $2,700 (but

'just' what Mark needs to propel him over the edge into complete NT perhaps?),

an infared sauna (at a whopping $2,900) which he really needs to get his body

sweating (what 13 year old doesn't sweat?..... hmmm, something wrong with that!)

or a home gym which will run about $3,000 that he desparately needs to work his

body core in the winter months. (got to keep him strong so that he will

thrive.... this one will probably get the boot!)

Can't afford all of them.... which will it be? It gets tough making these

decisions! My house needs new windows up stairs and a new garage door but I

will probably forgo these items for Mark's therapy! It's a tough balance after

a while.....

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: NACD: Any Progress Reports?

Does NACD only recommend the TLP or similar program (Berard, tomatis)?

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[Guest guest]

and Janice,

These are very encouraging posts. I am looking forward to doing NACD

with my NT and speech kids soon. Applications to be mailed out

tomorrow.

We have seen good things for on TLP. cannot

tolerate the headphones (we have to get her to the ENT and for a

hearing test I now believe). She has no hearing issues but I would

not be surprised to find tonal processing stuff.

Thanks! I needed this info after a bad day!

I am excited for the baby . My OT says that young so much can be

done. I am glad you got it so early:)

L

[Guest guest]

Kim with 4 cuties did her own program. It is posted in the therapy

section. Not for me as I don't trust myself enough to evaluate

weaknesses, especially the hearing and vision stuff but Kim knows her

son well and seems to have helped him greatly. Bravo

[Guest guest]

I think 8's are a long way off, as he is only 5-1/2. If he were an

8 -- wow! He'd be skipping first grade. I'm an 8, but now I'm

motivated to work on it to keep ahead of the kids! Alas, I think my

old brain is not as malleable.

[Guest guest]

I bet a good personal trainer could put together a work out for Mark

using free weights and other cheap items. The core doesn't really

need big machines, right?

[Guest guest]

Nope. $30 free wieghts, the book Body for Life $12, a Pilates tape and

a Rodney Yee yoga tape would cover it.

>

> I bet a good personal trainer could put together a work out for Mark

> using free weights and other cheap items. The core doesn't really

> need big machines, right?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's kind of what we are doing with a medicine ball and such. We are doing a

lot of core weights with just free weights and different exercise items. A

weight room would just be 'nice' and is on the 'wish' list. I already have the

room, the spare TV, an eliptical...... but a complete gym would be amazing!

Again..... it's 'down' on the list! New garage door comes first!

Janice

[sPAM][ ] Re: NACD: Any Progress Reports?

Nope. $30 free wieghts, the book Body for Life $12, a Pilates tape and

a Rodney Yee yoga tape would cover it.

>

> I bet a good personal trainer could put together a work out for Mark

> using free weights and other cheap items. The core doesn't really

> need big machines, right?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Mark started off as a 5 in September, 2006. By June, 2007, he was hitting 8's.

I think that once we got his ears clear and really stimulated them via TLP.....

his processing just 'wanted' to improve! We literally jumped from a 5 to a 7 in

about 3 months!

Of course, Mark was 11-12 when we were doing all of this so the age difference

may have been a contributing factor to how fast his processing began to soar. I

also think that it was due to getting rid of the milk (his allergen) and working

those tonal issues with his ears as well.

Changing his ear dominance took a substantial amount of time and that improved

things a little more as well. It seems that all of these therapies make little

improvements but add them all up..... they equal a new kid! BUT.... the biggest

difference is definately seen in going from a 5 to an 8 in processing.

The icing on the cake lately has been the DMSA! I cannot even speak to how it

has changed his attention levels. He is becoming a new kid all over again. I

thought that he was doing awesome even before we began ridding ourselves of the

lead but this has just eliminated so much of the 'duh....' innattentive, slow,

sluggish behaviour. He is a lot more " with it " since we started chelation and I

couldn't be more thrilled. Quite frankly, other than yeast control issues

(which you do have to monitor), I cannot figure out what the big deal is about

chelation. It's a lot easier than stuffing our kids full of vitamins 24/7 and

the results are lasting. I rather do it than neurofeedback therapy or some

other such nonsense that is extremely expensive and time-consuming.

Perhaps since Mark is older, his body handles it better but it really has been

an easy biomedical intervention for us. I tried everything under the son to

improve Mark's energy levels and attention levels. I would get a little

improvement with everything that I tried but nothing that worked for the whole

day or lasted if you forgot to take a pill. DMSA is actually improving my

child's overall health and changing his biology. I can actually see this

happening in front of my eyes. We have seen improvements in speech, attention,

energy, vitamin absorbtion, and general maturity levels. In addition, we had a

really bad milk infraction the other day and saw no ill effects.... I don't know

what caused that but I think it was a combonation of all the efforts to gut

healing in conjuction with removing the nasty lead from Mark's system. We do

our 4th round this weekend and I couldn't be more thrilled with the results that

I have seen thus far. It has really finished Mark's dyspraxia off in so many

ways.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re:[ ] Re: NACD: Any Progress Reports?

I think 8's are a long way off, as he is only 5-1/2. If he were an

8 -- wow! He'd be skipping first grade. I'm an 8, but now I'm

motivated to work on it to keep ahead of the kids! Alas, I think my

old brain is not as malleable.

[Guest guest]

Janice,

Is there a freecycle group online in your town? We got a nice gym for

free. It is another group. Check to see if there is one in your

area. Also, Craiglist and kijiji are great places to buy used ones. And

alas, ours is not being used....at least not the way it was designed

to.....it does hold a lot of laundry.....LOL

Janice wrote:

> That's kind of what we are doing with a medicine ball and such. We are doing

a lot of core weights with just free weights and different exercise items. A

weight room would just be 'nice' and is on the 'wish' list. I already have the

room, the spare TV, an eliptical...... but a complete gym would be amazing!

Again..... it's 'down' on the list! New garage door comes first!

>

> Janice

>

>

> [sPAM][ ] Re: NACD: Any Progress Reports?

>

>

> Nope. $30 free wieghts, the book Body for Life $12, a Pilates tape and

> a Rodney Yee yoga tape would cover it.

>

>

> >

> > I bet a good personal trainer could put together a work out for Mark

> > using free weights and other cheap items. The core doesn't really

> > need big machines, right?

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