Re: OT/EMERGENCY ALERT: Great Danger Lurking in Flu Shots

[Guest guest]

I love my pediatrician, but I have asked every year for the mercury free

vaccine, and his

office has never been able to get it in. This year, the entire office, has

stopped giving flu

shots. My family doctor has stopped also. Everyone is directing us to the flu

clinics, and I

am pretty sure they won't have the mercury free. Very frustrating. Though I

will say, it

wasn't but a few years ago all the doctors said a child shouldn't get a flu shot

because he/

she needed to get the flu once in a while to build up the immune system. It was

explained

to me that if you got a flu shot every year, then, when you were older, if there

was some

reason you couldn't get the shot (no vaccine, compromised immune system,

illness), you

might catch the flu and have an extremely difficult time with it. Honestly,

that made a lot

of sense to me, and I don't truly understand why the recommendation changed.

And, with

all the controversy over mercury, why is it still in the flu vaccine?

This is your response here

> /message/69137

>

> PubMed isn't a good source but your allergist is?

> /message/69099

>

> The research I posted:

> " Influenza-Associated Deaths among Children in the United States,

> 2003–2004 " by was " published " in the New England Journal of

> Medicine -a " PubMed Citation "

> May want to take a look at this again.

> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/353/24/2559

>

> BTW -in response to your message below -the true story about

> from Faces of Influenza never said that was an influenza high risk

> child. She was showing signs of dehydration which the doctor

> addressed and which appeared to be working. Who would know to take

> their child to the hospital because they are thirsty and have a tummy

> ache but drink a glass of water and go back to bed?

>

> And death from flu shots...that would be something we'd have to

> search for and not find as front page news?!!

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

I thought the flu shots helped your body build antibiodies against the

particular flu that is in the shot. If that is the case, then it doesn't make

sense to me that you would have to get the flu to get antibodies. Aggie

[ ] Re: OT/EMERGENCY ALERT: Great Danger Lurking in

Flu Shots

I love my pediatrician, but I have asked every year for the mercury free

vaccine, and his

office has never been able to get it in. This year, the entire office, has

stopped giving flu

shots. My family doctor has stopped also. Everyone is directing us to the flu

clinics, and I

am pretty sure they won't have the mercury free. Very frustrating. Though I

will say, it

wasn't but a few years ago all the doctors said a child shouldn't get a flu

shot because he/

she needed to get the flu once in a while to build up the immune system. It

was explained

to me that if you got a flu shot every year, then, when you were older, if

there was some

reason you couldn't get the shot (no vaccine, compromised immune system,

illness), you

might catch the flu and have an extremely difficult time with it. Honestly,

that made a lot

of sense to me, and I don't truly understand why the recommendation changed.

And, with

all the controversy over mercury, why is it still in the flu vaccine?

This is your response here

> /message/69137

>

> PubMed isn't a good source but your allergist is?

> /message/69099

>

> The research I posted:

> " Influenza-Associated Deaths among Children in the United States,

> 2003-2004 " by was " published " in the New England Journal of

> Medicine -a " PubMed Citation "

> May want to take a look at this again.

> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/353/24/2559

>

> BTW -in response to your message below -the true story about

> from Faces of Influenza never said that was an influenza high risk

> child. She was showing signs of dehydration which the doctor

> addressed and which appeared to be working. Who would know to take

> their child to the hospital because they are thirsty and have a tummy

> ache but drink a glass of water and go back to bed?

>

> And death from flu shots...that would be something we'd have to

> search for and not find as front page news?!!

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am not sure what to tell you. I can tell you this though my son when he

turned blue it was because he had a very bad case of the croup (which is an

infection of the lyrenx spelt wrong) (got told that by a pediatric

allergist/asthma specialist). They told me due to the croup and my son asthma

that it had something to do with his airway and not being able to get in enough

air. Thank god that has only happened once. Yes my son also had a history of

stridors too. Not sure what could be going on with your children due the fact

that it could be almost anything. But asthma is possible.

How I got it diagnosed. Ok now that was a very long process for us. Thank god

at the time I had a very good pediatrician who had been seeing son since the age

of 9 mos. My son had always been not quite right from the beginning. It started

off with the birth things and then he developed eating issues from the start .

did not know how to suck when he was born , severe reflux, gagging and so on.

Then he started with getting awfully sick off and on with stuffed up nose,

sneezing, weird sounding breathing, really bad snoring, weird cough that seemed

to ghet worse instead of better. When these episodes started to last for weeks

at a time with it only getting worse. Then my son started to develop a pattern a

t around age 2 with getting the croup a lot. The first winter he had it he had

all winter with only a few weeks in between episodes. This lasted a few years

off and on. The symptoms would very. But my pediatrician started to notice a

pattern of things . When my son was put

on oral steriods (there have been many) for the croup his symptoms would

improve almost immediately. So to be brief they sent him to a pedaitric

allergist/asthma specialist ( who did extensive testing on my son, lets just say

i will never ever will i agree to that again allergy testing). Turns out

allergies are a problem but not related to asthma. Plus my son would wake in the

middle of the night gasping for air sometimes.

When my son was referred to an ENT for his severe nose bleeds, severe snoring,

his enlarged tonsils and adenoids. He recommeded they be removed. ( no problems

with sore throats at all. despite the risks I had them both removed. Thank god I

did because it turned out that my sons tonisls were severly embedded in my sons

throat and they were so infected the ENT could not believe that no one picked up

on this until he took them out ( age 8 yrs april 06). Well my son did great with

the surgery. He has not had one bout of the croup since they were removed. He

does still have asthma . However it does not make any sense to me still why or

how he has asthma. Due to the fact every time it acts up his old pediatrician

and now his new one never can seem to hear him wheeze at all when listening to

his lungs.But you hear him wheezing across the room. They check his oxygen

levels and they are normal. Now during every episode of the croup he had this

also has happened they hear nothing

wrong when listening to his lungs and his oxygen levels are normal but yet the

kid is gasping for air and coughing non stop. I am sorry but i have no answers

for you. Due to the fact that I have a mystery still myself. the weird thing is

my son is on a daily preventive medicine flovent. Plus my has been on and off a

nebulizer also. The Flovent seems to be helping though. My son is also on oral

predisone of verying types off and on for the coughing spells. The coughing is

bizarre also it always first appears in the middle of the night as a high

pitched seal bark ( croupy cough) that scares the heck out me every time still.

Cause the cough is non stop and only stops when given oral prenisone the

nebulizer does not help ( we have one at home) his rescue inhaler does not help

either. i have a bizarre trick that does bring some relief though i bring my son

outside in the cold air and it helps him some what.

I too have had some rather dumb reactions by doctors also. I have got the blank

stares also. I even once got a I have no idea what am talking about lecture once

also. Which I got mad about. i called my pediatrician the next day and reported

my experienc which got the er doctor yelled at by my pediatrician 9 he actaully

called and told me he yelled at the doctor and apologized and even made an after

hours appointment to see my son that day too. Unfortunately for us he recently

retired in may.

My sugestion to you is. Take your children to specialists until you find out

the cause of the problem. Do not back down until you find the cause. If the blue

spell was due to an allergy then you really should know about it ( life

threatening possibly). I hope it is not a cardiology related issue. Go back to

the ENt and ask for another opinion. ( my son had no problems swallowing either

(just as an infant and toddler). If had not been for the other issues my son had

been experiencing i would never of known his tonsils were making him so sick.

I wish you luck. If can be of any further assistance just let me know. oh by

the way I don't get the auto immune thing either. But I guess it is possible.

ilizzy03 <lizlaw@...> wrote:

Since I have kids who turn blue and none of the other asthma

indicators can you tell me how you got it diagnosed? I don't know

what they have. As I understand it, from when this began with my

daughter, you need to follow up. So I went to a cardiologist who did

a bunch of tests and cleared her. With son a different cardiologist

would not do tests and sais he just does this? Maybe a lung thing but

don't worry. Now I am confused. Both had stridors, son, the speech

kid, had it late. Every doc takes not of it, looks at me funny and

moves on. My son does seem to have throat issues but swallows OK,

cleared by ENT, etc. Off dairy the blue thing only happened once for

son.

From these posts I remain confused about it. Never did I think a

vaccine could cause it. I did think it was an allergy thing and I

have a cousin who sounds like your son and he had asthma. I also

heard autoimmune disease but I don't get that one.

> >

> > The reason we have asthma is the same shots we are given...I am

> asthmatic...but I was able to loose the asthma diagnose...with

> natural medicine and nutrition...just by boosting IMMUNE

> SYSTEM...asthma is an autoimmune disease to, just like Autism,

> Cancer, MS and Arthritis....just to mention a few...and this is all

> caused by not letting our immune system function properly and add

> malnourishment, pesticides, vaccination, flu shots, medications

that

> give you side effects that are even worse than what you are

> treating!!!

> >

> > When I came to U.S. I was re-vaccinated all over again....I had

> no choice if I wanted a Green Card!!! Then Flu shots...and after a

> year my immune system went bad and asthma came back worse than

> before, and 2 years later CANCER...and 2 autistic boys!!!! I had

Flu

> shot every year and during pregnancy and breast feeding too!!!

> >

> > So be careful!!! Just think how humanity has survived this far

> with out vaccines and medications!!!!

> >

> > I have worse health than may mother and she has worse health than

> her mother and my children are AUTISTIC!!! Living in their own

world

> disconnected not by choice but because I decided to trust the

> PHARMACEUTICALS, and the Doctors that do as they are told by them

> too!!! Love, Gabby. :0)

> >

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